What do you think of TOC's Choo Zheng Xi?

[Porfirio Rubirosa]

LOL, royal flush Bro

As for CZX, let's just say that I reserve my pov on this chap for now.

Cheerios

Hell, if you have a hand of colour straight, would you resist the temptation to show hand? Hope you are into poker. And nothing negative meant toward CZX.

 

[lockeliberal]

Dear Porifio

She is on a scholarship enjoying good wine, dons and good teachings. That said and done she is one of those who deserves the scholarship as she is definitely not one of those spoilt rich brats. Do I believe she created publicity for herself in order to increase her scholarship chances ? Nope most definitely not, she had a well argued point and she was willing to push her argument.

"Sweat" because well no one saw or can understand the initial difficulties. :_)))




Locke

 

[Porfirio Rubirosa]

Locke,

Well rational mature objective forumers can draw their own conclusions in due course. No harm in questioning and being irreverent though:p

As an aside I find it interesting to see Leong Sze Hian positioning himself both with TOC and Maruah

Btw I think Shan was in his mid 20s when he became a PAP MP (stand corrected though).

Cheers

Dear Porifio

Yes Ejay's publicity is good publicity because he "protest" because he "associates with the true opposition" but for those who do not like the TOC and Remy and Andrew, Remy's publicity is because he is a PAP clone because a minister mentors him, because he seeks to be a minister, because he wants to be an MP at the next GE ( not forgetting how old the current youngest PAP MP Is ) the hypocrisy just churns my stomach.

Locke

 

[Porfirio Rubirosa]

Also the Backs and the Balls:p

Oh and do I wish darling Gayle all the best

Dear Porifio

She is on a scholarship enjoying good wine, dons and good teachings.

Locke

 

[lockeliberal]

Dear Porifio

Strange the youngest of the Post 65's was ard 28 as far as I recall ?. Anyways I hope I am right otherwise my expensive tastes will come back to bite me :_))

Cheers



Locke

 

[Avantas]

Bro,

Don't be misled by such token criticism which can be found even on the ST Forum.

Do you realize that Choo has been deliberately avoiding important sensitive issues such as human rights, the state of our judiciary, our reserves, etc ?

E Jay is not promoted by ST at all. On the contrary, they tried very hard to protray him as a "protester" who is charged in courts together with the SDP guys.

ST never mention about sgpolitics.net, which in my opinion, is a far more superior political blog than TOC.

Well proof is in the eating of the pudding, and I must hand it to Choo that he has at least beaten other PAP wannabes with his apparent PR skills thus far.

Also to be fair to Choo and TOC, there appears to be criticism of the PAP government on its site albeit not in the robust aggressive black and white form seen on other sites. In fact I was pleasantly surprised to see Gopalan Nair's recent you tube interview on its site.

Perhaps it is also noteworthy that Ng E-Jay has been getting some positive coverage in the mainstream print media, first with his letters to ST Forum, followed by his particpation in the now defunct HRG togther with Chia Ti Lik and Ravi, and now his participation in the Bloggers 13 group.

To question and be irreverent is fine but let's also try to be rational mature and objective at the same time.

 

[Avantas]

See value in TOC ???

Why not Singapore Angle which is run by a group of undergraduates and professionals and is far more established than TOC then way back in 2002 ?

The value Tan K L sees in Choo is that he is a PAP man with the potential to be groomed into a 4th generation leader in the future.

It doesn't matter whether TOC is positioned in the right, left or centre. The fact remains that Choo Zheng Xi has PAP support for his blog and he should reveal its vested interests to the readers instead of deceiving them.

Dear Avantas

Because he see's value with the TOC, because perhaps the TOC actively recruits. Perhaps because Remy and Andrew are better looking and have better PR skills then that Kim Jong Ill look alike. But at the end of the day the positioning of TOC in the centre and as a broad church allows it access to some people that SG Politics will not because of its need or the need of the people behind it to be defined as being "better" or being "more opposition" than everyone else.




Locke

 

[lockeliberal]

Dear Dear Avantas

You are entitled to believe that SG Angle is better or for that matter that SG Politics or for that matter The Active Citizen if it ever comes along is the answer to Singapore's ills. And personally I believe that SG Angle though good does not have or update its commentary as regularly as the TOC. Simply because the TOC has managed to get more people writing for it and thus increasing its output. No one least of all me disputes your right to like one blog over another, but I for one detest or hate your threats and bullying when you are all bluster but know little about anything.

Just another note. We are to believe if your ludicrous claims have it right that TKL a man with a distinguished career as a CEO and Leong Sze Hian again a career professional are HITCHING their coat tails on the rising STAR of a Law Undergrad not even out of school ? I hate to remind you this but his name is Remy Choo and not Remy Lee son of LHL.




Locke

 

[lockeliberal]

Dear Porifio

I am at the stage where I for one would not complain if people come out to help as long as they come out to help :_)) I am all for asking irreverent questions about why some comparisons are being made and others are not and how everything coincidentally favors the blog run by a Kim Jong Ill look alike



Locke

 

[Avantas]

So why do you think they join TOC instead of so many other blogs ?

Why did they choose to associate themselves with Choo ?

If Remy Choo took part in just one of the SDP events, do you think they will still join ?

You haven't answered my question yet.

The point is: they trust Choo because he is POLITICALLY CORRECT.

But that alone is not enough.

Of course if my friend, a PAP Minister, asked me to give this young man a hand, obviously I will oblige right ?

In Singapore, knowing the righting people and pulling the right strings does help alot. I am sure you know that.

Dear Dear Avantas

You are entitled to believe that SG Angle is better or for that matter that SG Politics or for that matter The Active Citizen if it ever comes along is the answer to Singapore's ills. And personally I believe that SG Angle though good does not have or update its commentary as regularly as the TOC. Simply because the TOC has managed to get more people writing for it and thus increasing its output. No one least of all me disputes your right to like one blog over another, but I for one detest or hate your threats and bullying when you are all bluster but know little about anything.

Just another note. We are to believe if your ludicrous claims have it right that TKL a man with a distinguished career as a CEO and Leong Sze Hian again a career professional are HITCHING their coat tails on the rising STAR of a Law Undergrad not even out of school ? I hate to remind you this but his name is Remy Choo and not Remy Lee son of LHL.




Locke

 

[Porfirio Rubirosa]

Avantas,

I suggest you try and be a tad more objective Bro. Look at TOC's front page today which appears to indirectly further SDP's cause to a certain extent at least.

As for Ng E-Jay, I don't think you are being totally fair to SPH. On the issue of the 18 charged "protesters", it is a fact that Ng E-Jay is one of those charged and ST appeared to be reporting the facts. At the sametime, even after Ng E-Jay was charged for being part of the public protest, ST and TNP appear to give Ng E-Jay some positive media coverage. As for Ng E-Jay's blog, well on balance I think TOC appears to have more depth and more interesting articles than what Ng E-Jay presents at the moment.

But like I said in an another post in another thread related to TOC, never rule out the incumbent govt's power of CO-OPTION

Cheers

Bro,

Don't be misled by such token criticism which can be found even on the ST Forum.

Do you realize that Choo has been deliberately avoiding important sensitive issues such as human rights, the state of our judiciary, our reserves, etc ?

E Jay is not promoted by ST at all. On the contrary, they tried very hard to protray him as a "protester" who is charged in courts together with the SDP guys.

ST never mention about sgpolitics.net, which in my opinion, is a far more superior political blog than TOC.

 

[Porfirio Rubirosa]

Yes tend to agree with you on this one.

That is why I think Dr Chee is quite smart to update SDP's site on a daily basis with interesting articles albeit quite one sided at times.

. And personally I believe that SG Angle though good does not have or update its commentary as regularly as the TOC. Simply because the TOC has managed to get more people writing for it and thus increasing its output.

Locke

 

[Porfirio Rubirosa]

I am only glad that his apparent nemisis and likewise his apparent supporters have not spammed their way in this thread. Just those those awefully frightful Avatars alone give me the creeps

Dear Porifio

I am at the stage where I for one would not complain if people come out to help as long as they come out to help :_)) I am all for asking irreverent questions about why some comparisons are being made and others are not and how everything coincidentally favors the blog run by a Kim Jong Ill look alike


Locke

 

[lockeliberal]

Dear Avantas and Clones

He has positioned himself in the centre, his right and again a smart astute move. Because he positions himself in the centre he is able to recruit or able to get certain people on board. Now why should he chose to associate with the SDP if he wants to be in the centre ? I certainly would not. You keep on saying MInistar this and MInistar that, just quote names if you have any knowledge to begin with.

For someone who is not LKY's son not called Remy Lee, someone seems to want to help him a lot to send such people as TKL.




Locke

 

[Porfirio Rubirosa]

I think this may apply in most other societies

In Singapore, knowing the righting people and pulling the right strings does help alot. I am sure you know that.

 

[Avantas]

Choo once writes the parliamentary speeches of Ho Geok Choo. This shows the intimate relationship between both of them.

Do you know which minister Ho is close to ?

Is it a coincidence that Tan K L happens to enjoy a close working relationship with this minister when he was NTUC Chief ?

Still couldn't figure out who this minister is ?

Without this minister and Ho's introduction, how does Choo get to know Tan ?

Think about it.

Dear Avantas and Clones

He has positioned himself in the centre, his right and again a smart astute move. Because he positions himself in the centre he is able to recruit or able to get certain people on board. Now why should he chose to associate with the SDP if he wants to be in the centre ? I certainly would not. You keep on saying MInistar this and MInistar that, just quote names if you have any knowledge to begin with.

For someone who is not LKY's son not called Remy Lee, someone seems to want to help him a lot to send such people as TKL.




Locke

 

[lockeliberal]

Dear Avantas and clones

Know fact I wrote speeches for LTK even before I joined the party even before GE 2006 :_)) Heck in the last three years I have seen people helping out parties and then deciding that party is not their cup of tea and quitting. In one case a senior PAP cadre's members daugther who was with the Young PAP letting her membership lapse. In other cases people involved with the grassroots seeing how the PAP dominates and quitting the grassroots completely and deciding to help the opposition. You my friend have to learn to have an open mind :_)) that people can be involved somewhat with political parties and then not become members. CTL was for example a full fledged PAP member before he crossed over :_)), likewise I to have seen non members who were helping the WP leave because politics were not their cup of tea.

My dear boy you really do not know anything about how the PAP works do you and you still have not been able to answer one important question. WHY THE FUCK should a PAP Minister bother about a small fry like Remy Choo who has not even GRADUATED yet ?

1. Is he Remy Lee son of LHL or LHY ?
2. Is he the son of Wee Choo Yaw ?
3. Is he a President's scholar ?
4. Is he a SAF Scholar ?

God simply put who the fuck is Remy Choo so that a PAP Minister will sponser him as you have claimed ? Does he have the elitist credentials ? Have you ever thought that he had the guts and the brains to cold call TKL after he opposed NTUC openly in the press ?>



Locke

 

[lockeliberal]

Dear Porifio

Do notice how Ejay is now talking to Avantas about setting up something to counter the TOC because it is a PAP operation :_)) Remember what I said about the " The Alternative Citizen". Soon I guess its launch will be announced and all the coincidences will be made clear.


Locke

 

[Avantas]

Bro,

I beg to differ. E Jay is the only person running sgpolitics.net and I must commend him for doing an excellent job updating it almost daily. His articles are crips, straight-forward and insightful compared to TOC which goes around in circle and circle without taking a stance. Don't forget TOC is run by many people and its website is maintained by a professional webpage designer employed by the PAP.


If you analyze TOC articles, there is nothing new about them. These are the articles you will find on the ST Review from time to time. Heck it, even the ST sometimes do refer to SDP "indirectly" to wayang as being "impartial".

TOC shuns away from many sensitive issues such as the judiciary, ISA, political setup etc and seems only interested to promote current affairs amongst its readers.

Remy Choo will not be co-opted into PAP because he is already a PAP man ! He is just planted there to increase his profile to a time the PAP can conveniently put him into one of the GRC.

For more background information of TOC, please read this insightful article here:

http://wayangparty.wordpress.com/2008/09/17/why-did-andrew-loh-hand-over-toc-to-remy-choo/

Avantas,

I suggest you try and be a tad more objective Bro. Look at TOC's front page today which appears to indirectly further SDP's cause to a certain extent at least.

As for Ng E-Jay, I don't think you are being totally fair to SPH. On the issue of the 18 charged "protesters", it is a fact that Ng E-Jay is one of those charged and ST appeared to be reporting the facts. At the sametime, even after Ng E-Jay was charged for being part of the public protest, ST and TNP appear to give Ng E-Jay some positive media coverage. As for Ng E-Jay's blog, well on balance I think TOC appears to have more depth and more interesting articles than what Ng E-Jay presents at the moment.

But like I said in an another post in another thread related to TOC, never rule out the incumbent govt's power of CO-OPTION

Cheers

 

[Avantas]

There you have it:

Why did the PAP and other members of society bother about a small fry like Choo Zheng Xi ???

No no, Choo was not a small fry at all.

He is the youngest person to ever speak at the speakers' corner.

He joined Buona Vista YEC at the age of 17 from where he builds up his links inside PAP gradually.

During his NS days, he came to be acquainted with a minister who sees potential in him. This minister who has ambitions for higher office wants to groom this young man and put him in his own clique.

For goodness sake, don't be so naive. Do you really think that the PAP-controlled ST journalists are so enamoured by Choo that they kept promoting TOC 3 times a week ???

Dear Avantas and clones

Know fact I wrote speeches for LTK even before I joined the party even before GE 2006 :_)) Heck in the last three years I have seen people helping out parties and then deciding that party is not their cup of tea and quitting. In one case a senior PAP cadre's members daugther who was with the Young PAP letting her membership lapse. In other cases people involved with the grassroots seeing how the PAP dominates and quitting the grassroots completely and deciding to help the opposition. You my friend have to learn to have an open mind :_)) that people can be involved somewhat with political parties and then not become members. CTL was for example a full fledged PAP member before he crossed over :_)), likewise I to have seen non members who were helping the WP leave because politics were not their cup of tea.

My dear boy you really do not know anything about how the PAP works do you and you still have not been able to answer one important question. WHY THE FUCK should a PAP Minister bother about a small fry like Remy Choo who has not even GRADUATED yet ?

1. Is he Remy Lee son of LHL or LHY ?
2. Is he the son of Wee Choo Yaw ?
3. Is he a President's scholar ?
4. Is he a SAF Scholar ?

God simply put who the fuck is Remy Choo so that a PAP Minister will sponser him as you have claimed ? Does he have the elitist credentials ? Have you ever thought that he had the guts and the brains to cold call TKL after he opposed NTUC openly in the press ?>



Locke