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No evidence that vaccines can directly cause heart attacks and strokes: HSA
HSA said that no deaths from heart attacks, strokes or any other causes suspected to be associated with the vaccines have been reported locally.ST PHOTO: ALPHONSUS CHERN
Joyce Teo
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May 7, 2021, 8:53 am SGT
SINGAPORE - There has been no uptick in heart attacks or strokes among vaccinated people, and no evidence that the Covid-19 vaccines used here can directly cause them, the Health Sciences Authority (HSA) said on Thursday (May 6).
"A greater frequency of heart attacks and strokes has not been observed in vaccinated persons locally and to date, there is also no evidence that the vaccines can directly cause these events," HSA said in its first update on the safety of the mRNA vaccines used here. Only the Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna vaccines are used here.
"No deaths from heart attacks, strokes or any other causes suspected to be associated with the vaccines have been reported locally," HSA said.
So one party says they have healthy relatives who have fallen victim to the vaccination while the official mouthpiece of the government categorically states that the vaccine does not cause strokes and heart attacks.
Where does the truth lie? Your guess is as good as mine.
Update re Joann’s BIL who suffered multiple strokes after the vaccination.
Is it really safe (https://www.facebook.com/Is-it-really-safe-102038542038486/?__cft__[0]=AZVqjUPyb7LKSzWYI19nCksGxlrfmydUIVpqct1wDWx-wud9xaLgz3o17t50C_hyt_0J_XdGeBjWBtXJC1RYm3zpu8G_yrEBnZh4HAt25Bzo3Bzy_3UEIcvxTXZfsh6P6mVNmV0IXpXY4BdlzyzCPmJh8Mtcp3s9F250yGDFwund6Q&__tn__=-UC,P-y-R)?
Update (): 11 May
Past few days BIL condition fluctuated. Didnt want to affect others so only update today when he is better. He was still fighting fever despite antibiotic via IV drip and oral Ibufen. He was also fed other medication via tube so very drowsy and not as responsive. He drifted in and out of sleep. Good thing is he is more aware of the surrounding but he also started to feel agitated and frustrated. He started to subconsciously pulled out the feeding tube; I think he just did it again last night, the tube he is using today is new
He also started to pull the tubes attached on his body. We are so blessed the patient next bed helped to alert the nurses whenever he sees him pulling. Maybe that's why his hands are tied till the very end. Pulling out the tube is easy, reinserting is painful. Try putting a straw into your nostril, deep inside... this is only the beginning, the tube goes to his stomach.
That's why I don't dare to loosen him even when I am there. I cannot bear the guilt if he pulled the tube under my watch. We played Charade during good days, I tried to guess what he is saying, can feel his frustration. He tried to write, look at the 2 art pieces he did tonight. I didnt take another piece which H E is very clear. HELP?
Both his hands are tied and actually today, his left was to a point he cant even reach his stomach. He was coughing and I was trying to calm him as his BP started to escalate and he tried to lift his hands but cant. I felt so sorry for him. He is 100% dependent on others for all his needs for now. He is still being tube fed, urine catheter attached (they removed and reinserted!) both legs attached to a machine to pump every few minute to promote blood circulation (24 hours) and both hands tied. I am sorry but it is living hell to me. I am sorry for being negative and pray it is short term.
When his condition stabilize, weeks or months of physio and speech therapy will be planned. Till date, doctors are still not able to determine his level of competency in the coming months but hospital has came twice to talk about sending him for integrated care and if we are planning to arrange for nursing home.
Does discharging the patient equate to "recovered" so one decimal down on the injury? Does the ministry understand, that is where the patients needs to adjust to the new norm? A new life not just for the patient but for his family too. Please have mercy on us.
I was disappointed when ministry said stroke and cardiac arrest can happen to anyone even without vaccination. Totally agree. Give me a like if you also agree that if my BIL did not go for his vaccination on 18 April, he may still be watching TV at home now.
Looking at the press release on ministry reply to the opposition party query. I hope my BIL falls under the 0.004%. I hope the application for VIFAP from this 0.004% group will be seriously considered and approved. I applaud HSA on the appointment of 3 expert panels to review neurological, cardiac and hypersensitivity adverse event that occurs after the vaccination.
No clinical test doesn't mean it wont happen. The 0.004% are your clinical trial sample. ministry kept saying majority recovered from the adverse reaction, but there is a small group that will never fully recover, DAMAGE IS PERMANENT.
Ministry should also be more proactive in the education of vaccine safety.
For example, giddiness is one of the known side effect, but the promo video made it so chill, people still go to work or drink kopi, there are people who fainted and ended in hospital. My advice to all, please REST and REST after the vaccine. It is only a few days of inconvenience. I dont think anyone is really for a permanent disability.
We were told to be responsible, take the vaccine to protect our family but on the contrary, my BIL case has changed the lives of everyone in the family. He needs an answer, we too.
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Urgent Open Letter from Doctors and Scientists to the European Medicines Agency regarding COVID-19 Vaccine Safety Concerns
Doctors, scientists, lawyers and colleagues in allied disciplines can sign the open letter by sending their name, qualifications, areas of expertise and country of practice to: [email protected], with web verification (eg workplace or registration link, not for publication).
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Emer Cooke, Executive Director, European Medicines Agency, Amsterdam, The Netherlands
28 February 2021
Dear Sirs/Mesdames,
FOR THE URGENT PERSONAL ATTENTION OF: EMER COOKE, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE EUROPEAN MEDICINES AGENCY
As physicians and scientists, we are supportive in principle of the use of new medical interventions which are appropriately developed and deployed, having obtained informed consent from the patient. This stance encompasses vaccines in the same way as therapeutics.
We note that a wide range of side effects is being reported following vaccination of previously healthy younger individuals with the gene-based COVID-19 vaccines. Moreover, there have been numerous media reports from around the world of care homes being struck by COVID-19 within days of vaccination of residents. While we recognise that these occurrences might, every one of them, have been unfortunate coincidences, we are concerned that there has been and there continues to be inadequate scrutiny of the possible causes of illness or death under these circumstances, and especially so in the absence of post-mortems examinations.
In particular, we question whether cardinal issues regarding the safety of the vaccines were adequately addressed prior to their approval by the European Medicines Agency (EMA).
As a matter of great urgency, we herewith request that the EMA provide us with responses to the following issues:
1. Following intramuscular injection, it must be expected that the gene-based vaccines will reach the bloodstream and disseminate throughout the body [1]. We request evidence that this possibility was excluded in pre-clinical animal models with all three vaccines prior to their approval for use in humans by the EMA.
2. If such evidence is not available, it must be expected that the vaccines will remain entrapped in the circulation and be taken up by endothelial cells. There is reason to assume that this will happen particularly at sites of slow blood flow, i.e. in small vessels and capillaries [2]. We request evidence that this probability was excluded in pre-clinical animal models with all three vaccines prior to their approval for use in humans by the EMA.
3. If such evidence is not available, it must be expected that during expression of the vaccines’ nucleic acids, peptides derived from the spike protein will be presented via the MHC I — pathway at the luminal surface of the cells. Many healthy individuals have CD8-lymphocytes that recognize such peptides, which may be due to prior COVID infection, but also to cross-reactions with other types of Coronavirus [3; 4] [5]. We must assume that these lymphocytes will mount an attack on the respective cells. We request evidence that this probability was excluded in pre-clinical animal models with all three vaccines prior to their approval for use in humans by the EMA.
4. If such evidence is not available, it must be expected that endothelial damage with subsequent triggering of blood coagulation via platelet activation will ensue at countless sites throughout the body. We request evidence that this probability was excluded in pre-clinical animal models with all three vaccines prior to their approval for use in humans by the EMA.
5. If such evidence is not available, it must be expected that this will lead to a drop in platelet counts, appearance of D-dimers in the blood, and to myriad ischaemic lesions throughout the body including in the brain, spinal cord and heart. Bleeding disorders might occur in the wake of this novel type of DIC-syndrome including, amongst other possibilities, profuse bleedings and haemorrhagic stroke. We request evidence that all these possibilities were excluded in pre-clinical animal models with all three vaccines prior to their approval for use in humans by the EMA.
6. The SARS-CoV-2 spike protein binds to the ACE2 receptor on platelets, which results in their activation [6]. Thrombocytopenia has been reported in severe cases of SARS-CoV-2 infection [7]. Thrombocytopenia has also been reported in vaccinated individuals [8]. We request evidence that the potential danger of platelet activation that would also lead to disseminated intravascular coagulation (DIC) was excluded with all three vaccines prior to their approval for use in humans by the EMA.
7. The sweeping across the globe of SARS-CoV-2 created a pandemic of illness associated with many deaths. However, by the time of consideration for approval of the vaccines, the health systems of most countries were no longer under imminent threat of being overwhelmed because a growing proportion of the world had already been infected and the worst of the pandemic had already abated. Consequently, we demand conclusive evidence that an actual emergency existed at the time of the EMA granting Conditional Marketing Authorisation to the manufacturers of all three vaccines, to justify their approval for use in humans by the EMA, purportedly because of such an emergency.
Should all such evidence not be available, we demand that approval for use of the gene-based vaccines be withdrawn until all the above issues have been properly addressed by the exercise of due diligence by the EMA.
There are serious concerns, including but not confined to those outlined above, that the approval of the COVID-19 vaccines by the EMA was premature and reckless, and that the administration of the vaccines constituted and still does constitute “human experimentation”, which was and still is in violation of the Nuremberg Code.
In view of the urgency of the situation, we request that you reply to this email within seven days and address all our concerns substantively. Should you choose not to comply with this reasonable request, we will make this letter public.
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Charles Michel, President of the Council of Europe
Ursula von der Leyen, President of the European Commission.
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Then just tell me in the 1st time when I asked you lah! How old are you? 60 years old?Those telegram groups have nothing to do with me. However I fully support their creation and their function which is to provide info that would otherwise be censored.
People have a right to know the risks involved when it comes to vaccination. Any attempt to censor information only makes matters worse.
I asked him the 1st time whether is he associated with these 2 grps. If so, I stated F you and yr associates. He straight away said "Fuck you". Now, changed tune. Say he is not affiliated with these grps. Just ignore this fool.since you cannot post authentic anything, this is a stretch
I am pretty sure this fool are associated with those fools in some ways. When i tried to ask each OP for the cause of complications or death arised from the vaccine, aside from personal particulars. The admin on 3 separate occasions just reply with a standard, "we keep track and details from each OP or somewhere along this BS". People ask questions because there are doubts. If each time they just shut me down. This becomes very dubious. Btw, I am not even anti vacc. I just wanna know if there's ever a need arises for a vaccination. I can somehow make a semi-informed decision. Fuck this guy and his tele grps. He lived in the western world for too long (abt 20 ys I think) and unfortunately. all he absorbed are conspiracy theories. Those tele grps are NOTHING but echo chambers and I am NOT even challenging them. I was just asking appropriate questions.if you support it, must be a disaster like everything else you touch
How do they shut you down? Did they delete your messages? Ban you?I am pretty sure this fool are associated with those fools in some ways. When i tried to ask each OP for the cause of complications or death arised from the vaccine, aside from personal particulars. The admin on 3 separate occasions just reply with a standard, "we keep track and details from each OP or somewhere along this BS". People ask questions because there are doubts. If each time they just shut me down. This becomes very dubious. Btw, I am not even anti vacc. I just wanna know if there's ever a need arises for a vaccination. I can somehow make a semi-informed decision. Fuck this guy and his tele grps. He lived in the western world for too long (abt 20 ys I think) and unfortunately. all he absorbed are conspiracy theories. Those tele grps are NOTHING but echo chambers and I am NOT even challenging them. I was just asking appropriate questions.
Each time you debunked him. The more he enjoys the fucking attention. Don't give him any.
I am pretty sure this fool are associated with those fools in some ways. When i tried to ask each OP for the cause of complications or death arised from the vaccine, aside from personal particulars. The admin on 3 separate occasions just reply with a standard, "we keep track and details from each OP or somewhere along this BS". People ask questions because there are doubts. If each time they just shut me down. This becomes very dubious. Btw, I am not even anti vacc. I just wanna know if there's ever a need arises for a vaccination. I can somehow make a semi-informed decision. Fuck this guy and his tele grps. He lived in the western world for too long (abt 20 ys I think) and unfortunately. all he absorbed are conspiracy theories. Those tele grps are NOTHING but echo chambers and I am NOT even challenging them. I was just asking appropriate questions.
Each time you debunked him. The more he enjoys the fucking attention. Don't give him any.
How do they shut you down? Did they delete your messages? Ban you?
Then just tell me in the 1st time when I asked you lah! How old are you? 60 years old?
I asked him the 1st time whether is he associated with these 2 grps. If so, I stated F you and yr associates. He straight away said "Fuck you". Now, changed tune. Say he is not affiliated with these grps. Just ignore this fool.