• IP addresses are NOT logged in this forum so there's no point asking. Please note that this forum is full of homophobes, racists, lunatics, schizophrenics & absolute nut jobs with a smattering of geniuses, Chinese chauvinists, Moderate Muslims and last but not least a couple of "know-it-alls" constantly sprouting their dubious wisdom. If you believe that content generated by unsavory characters might cause you offense PLEASE LEAVE NOW! Sammyboy Admin and Staff are not responsible for your hurt feelings should you choose to read any of the content here.

    The OTHER forum is HERE so please stop asking.

Warning to China : US naval buildup in Indo-Pacific

LaoTze

Alfrescian
Loyal
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...8e1bba-948b-11ea-9f5e-56d8239bf9ad_story.html


Here’s a fact that ought to startle every American who assumes that because we spend nearly $1 trillion each year on defense, we have primacy over our emerging rival, China.
“Over the past decade, in U.S. war games against China, the United States has a nearly perfect record: We have lost almost every single time.”
That’s a quote from a new book called “The Kill Chain: Defending America in the Future of High-Tech Warfare,” the most provocative critique of U.S. defense policy I’ve read in years. It’s written by Christian Brose, former staff director of the Senate Armed Services Committee and a close adviser to late senator John McCain (R-Ariz.). The book isn’t just a wake-up call, it’s a fire alarm in the night.



How difficult is it to detect stealth planes and to target them when the quality of radar Chinese are dealing with can be set to detect not just mosquitoes a few kilometers away.

Whether the mosquito is female or male will also be known.

Your stealth F-22 F35s or B1s B2s got smaller radar profile than a mosquito?

Smaller then the difference between a male and female mosquito?

China Using Radar To Combat Mosquitoes

China is using military technology to wage war ... on mosquitoes

USA or Israeli got any systems able to do that?

Thank you USA for enforcing ban on China in purchasing that from Israel or other countries.

Forcing China to do it all on its own and leaving you either far behind or far far behind.

And you can bet your bottom dollar that filters are in place to ignore normal mosquitoes flying at 10 to 20 km per hour. Any mosquito, or bird, flying at 100 mph or faster will be picked up. China got AI recognition to pick up and pin point faces from videos in cities of a few dozen millions.

Picking up F-22 of radar profile of a bird that travel close to Mach 1 will be a piece of cake.

And sending Mach 6 BVRAAMs to take down that fast flying bird.

Will they hope to hide from the Divine Eagles and more? who then will signal to the BVRAAMs to take them down?

https://thaimilitaryandasianregi...

China’s Divine Eagle anti-stealth UAV is probably an interferometer



main-qimg-e579ad9cb0a0a1b634221dff9042c197






main-qimg-8d62bbf19620ef96cec7484655c0d994






main-qimg-1e553e3713e17adba826d0009054a688






main-qimg-e7e8fa5c00ba9ad3fcf4385eea635d95




10,000 Divine Eagle L-band T/R module interferometer / 1,200 F-35 X-band T/R module AESA radar = Eight times greater sensitivity based on module count

Why does China’s Divine Eagle UAV have a maximum altitude of 79,000 feet?

According to Popular Science, China’s Divine Eagle UAV has a maximum altitude of 25km (or 79,000 feet).

In contrast, the US Global Hawk has a maximum altitude of only 18km (or 57,000 feet).



main-qimg-417c1c3e05f807d164a4560aedd5e516






main-qimg-095e65b1d618fabdeb446bc9cd602c9a




And Chinese Soar Dragon XiangLong

ANOTHER BIG BIRD

The 7-10 ton Xianglong, with some stealthy features, would make an ideal EW drone thanks to its huge size, and lone endurance. Its unique 20 meter joined tandem wings increase its range and on station time.

http://www.top81.cn
, via yexu at China Defense Forum



main-qimg-643b73684fca6c99f045031dd59dc2ed






vacuuming up a wealth of data, for extended periods of time.

main-qimg-8366771987477c5026c27253b43a203a






main-qimg-39f1b6119bea6c1ab7e1560015217406






main-qimg-5ff65ac2f01c52a86fc29557e23dc417




The system might also move beyond a surveillance role. Chinese engineers have noted that the Xianglong's large payload, endurance and range makes it ideal for electronic warfare (EW) missions, both for gathering intelligence on electronic activity, as well as carrying jammers to disrupt enemy radars and datalinks. In wartime, the Xianglong's high altitude jammers would seek to disrupt not only the radars of enemy fighters and missiles, but also jam and spoof communications between enemy bombers, airborne early warning and control aircraft, drones and even datalinks between satellites, ships, land based missile launchers and missiles. in such role, the EW Xianglong would operate alongside a host of other Chinese EW aircraft, including Y-9 heavy transport jammers, J-16 and JH-7 strike aircraft, in both offensive and defensive operations.



main-qimg-cd5e50cc0167da38e21a05f5192977ab








Now you can tell me about your dog fights and air combats with China when your planes got no bases to take off from or to land and no carriers and no KC135 tankers and no AEWCs and no JSTARS to tell your pilots what the fuck to do.
dafeng cao@dafengcao
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1038033917020786689

Truly god view, Jilin-1 video satellite shot @OneSpace01 OS-X1 suborbital rocket's launch at JSLC this noon.

2,438
7:59 PM - Sep 7, 2018
Twitter Ads info and privacy
1,323 people are talking about this



China got 3000++ of Mach 3s YJ-12 and YJ18 to throw against the 11 carriers USA want to bring to their self declared FONOP.
Or at least 300++ Mach 3s on each carrier group.
Assuming only 20 % of those will hit. So be assured that at least 10 missiles will hit the carrier and not just 1 missile.
And not just the warhead, there will be 2–3 tons of missiles coming behind the warhead at Mach 3 tearing into the bulkheads and ordnance and aviation fuel and the poor men and women in the carrier. Those 2–3 tons of missile body will be tearing in the bulkheads faster and more deadly then APFSDS. Andf carrying its own unburned fuel to add to the fun.
Even steel will burn when hit with hell fire and tons of steel and debris coming in at Mach 3. The aviation fuel, and paint on walls, the bombs and ordnance will all cook off and add to the huge huge fire inside the carrier. Regardless if carrier under Condition Zebra or Donkey or Jackass.
The brave sailors in those carriers will not care or worry and be happy that their carrier not sinking. And only burning and burning from one end to the other end.



main-qimg-020f2d1218eb98e954cf7c5815126ca6







main-qimg-ee3dec2a61d0bb0dab514b9fa1542a5b




"Illustration of U.S. and threat anti-ship missile ranges from Bryan Clark's CSBA monograph 'Commanding the Seas: A Plan to Reinvigorate U.S. Navy Surface Warfare' https://csbaonline.org/uploads/d...
And do not forget the DF-21Ds and DF-26Bs and the CM-401s



main-qimg-c6f78a0da9fa5ab74d321f2acc7afe1a







main-qimg-fba6480010b96200d6a5ea5507f49350




The U.S. Navy Won't Like China's New Ship-Killer Hypersonic Missile
China Reveals Short-Range Anti-Ship Ballistic Missile Designed To Dodge Enemy Defenses
Graphics associated with the CM-401 suggest it has a “porpoising” or “skip-glide” trajectory that involves the warhead abruptly pulling up at least once as it begins the terminal stage of its flight. This maneuver could extend the range of a ballistic weapon, but has only ever been used to give the warhead a much more irregular flight path and allow it to adjust its course.



main-qimg-f833da083c84539a111c13d36b12d40c




CHINESE INTERNET
A Chinese graphic showing a ballistic missile with a skip-glide trajectory associated with the CM-401.
This, in turn, makes it harder for an opponent to try and intercept the warhead. The CM-401’s terminal speed, which CASIC says is between Mach 4 and 6, would also help it break through enemy defenses to reach its target. The launch platform reportedly has the ability to fire its two missiles on different trajectories against either one or two targets at once, again increasing the difficulty for the defender to respond to the incoming threat.
I cannot imagine the big brothers of CM-401 do not have that capability. Especially as the CM-401 build for the export market.
And what about hypersonic weapons?
The Chinese military in 2014 said it had conducted a hypersonic test flight. By early 2016, it had conducted six successful tests, according to U.S. military officials. How many more since then is anyone guess.



main-qimg-439b8ecf63c280dc63f8c9b9319d1a23







main-qimg-7aecb93c268bfb17f18df8fdc5b8bb26







main-qimg-a1bb6ddff44f7209820b6832895b11be







main-qimg-59f0c1c1e0ec79ef8263bb14bcf36c70






OedoSoldier@OedoSoldier

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/960745363018866688

中国の地上配備中間段階弾道ミサイル防衛試験の動画

80
1:21 PM - Feb 6, 2018
Twitter Ads info and privacy
59 people are talking about this





main-qimg-89b717a7a04e01219203aa73f29d3ea3







main-qimg-485c48086b90a14e988f67e618d7c36e




Starry Sky 2
More likely than not, Chinese hypersonic weapon systems already operational and deployed . USA equivalent still in the dreaming stages and going out to tender.
China leads U.S. on potent super-fast missiles
As for the really serious business that I hope never ever be used,
DF-41 - Wikipedia
The Dong Feng 41 (CSS-X-10) is a road- and rail-mobile intercontinental ballistic missile (ICBM). The DF-41 is currently in its final testing stages and will be the next land-based ballistic missile to be deployed in the People’s Republic of China (PRC). It is estimated to have an operational range of 12,000 to 15,000 km, which would make it the longest range missile in operation. It will likely have a top speed of Mach 25 and will be capable of delivering up to 10 MIRVed warheads.
The DF-41 is a three-stage solid-fueled intercontinental ballistic missile reported to have a maximum range of up to 15,000 kilometers (more than 9320 miles) and a top speed of Mach 25 (19,030 mph). It is said to be capable of carrying up to 10 multiple independently targetable reentry vehicle (MIRVs). Its launch preparation time is estimated to be between 3 to 5 minutes.
This would make the DF-41 the world's longest range missile, surpassing the range of the US LGM-30 Minuteman which has a reported range of 13,000 km.
As by Jan 2017, Chinese media have reported the deployment of three brigades of DF-41 ICBMs. There is photographic evidence of a possible fourth brigade of DF-41 ICBMs on the Tibetan plateau. However, we have only counted the number of DF-41 ICBM TELs (ie. Transporter Erector Launcher), or 4 X 12 TELs
It is inefficient to fire only one ballistic missile per launcher. It is more logical to fire two ballistic missiles per launcher. This process is called re-loading. A DF-41 TEL can either be re-loaded with another DF-41 ICBM missile nearby or the DF-41 TEL can drive to a hidden re-supply location for another DF-41 ICBM.
If you accept that China has one re-load missile for each DF-41 TEL then the total number of Chinese DF-41 ICBMs has to be doubled.
Four brigades of DF-41 ICBMs (Heilongjiang, Henan, Xinjiang, and Tibet Provinces) with one re-load per DF-41 TEL yields 96 total DF-41 ICBMs.



main-qimg-411205790f5ec9ca1dc60ae894b1bab9




Reported DF-41 Deployment: China 'Responding to US Missile Defense in Asia'
Expert: DF-41 among most advanced missiles in the world
If China got only 260 thermonukes like what everyone is saying and hoping, the surplus warheads will be delivering dim sum and tea bags and cleaned pressed laundry from Chinese laundrymen.
Please remember DF-41 got a very big brother coming up as well in case you think DF-41 not worthy enough to deliver dim sum and tea bags and cleaned laundry.
Russia’s RS-28 “Sarmat” ten-ton payload, rated as the most dangerous ICBM . Reportedly it may carry up to fifteen 350 kiloton warheads, or up to twenty-four of the new “Avangard” nuclear-armed Hypersonic Glide Vehicle (HGV) warheads. Sarmat will be dwarfed by Chinese new missile with even larger twenty-ton payload. That will be solid-fuel space-launch vehicle (SLV), and could form the basis for what might become the world’s largest “mobile” ICBM.

The Next China Military Threat: The World's Biggest Mobile ICBM?
 

LaoTze

Alfrescian
Loyal
Navy sex-trafficking scandal in Bahrain where 'sailors housed and pimped Thai prostitutes in their taxpayer-funded apartments' is exposed after a deal with a 'madam' turned informant went sour
  • At least nine sailors, including five chiefs and a lieutenant commander, have been charged in connection with sex trafficking operations in Bahrain since 201


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...-Bahrain-sailors-pimped-Thai-prostitutes.html



1592569061400.png


Hong Kong rioters want so much to defend them







Emoji Laugh GIF - Emoji Laugh Laughing - Discover & Share GIFs





Laughing Emoji GIFs - Find & Share on GIPHY
 

Peiweh

Alfrescian
Loyal
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...8e1bba-948b-11ea-9f5e-56d8239bf9ad_story.html


Here’s a fact that ought to startle every American who assumes that because we spend nearly $1 trillion each year on defense, we have primacy over our emerging rival, China.
“Over the past decade, in U.S. war games against China, the United States has a nearly perfect record: We have lost almost every single time.”
That’s a quote from a new book called “The Kill Chain: Defending America in the Future of High-Tech Warfare,” the most provocative critique of U.S. defense policy I’ve read in years. It’s written by Christian Brose, former staff director of the Senate Armed Services Committee and a close adviser to late senator John McCain (R-Ariz.). The book isn’t just a wake-up call, it’s a fire alarm in the night.



How difficult is it to detect stealth planes and to target them when the quality of radar Chinese are dealing with can be set to detect not just mosquitoes a few kilometers away.

Whether the mosquito is female or male will also be known.

Your stealth F-22 F35s or B1s B2s got smaller radar profile than a mosquito?

Smaller then the difference between a male and female mosquito?

China Using Radar To Combat Mosquitoes

China is using military technology to wage war ... on mosquitoes

USA or Israeli got any systems able to do that?

Thank you USA for enforcing ban on China in purchasing that from Israel or other countries.

Forcing China to do it all on its own and leaving you either far behind or far far behind.

And you can bet your bottom dollar that filters are in place to ignore normal mosquitoes flying at 10 to 20 km per hour. Any mosquito, or bird, flying at 100 mph or faster will be picked up. China got AI recognition to pick up and pin point faces from videos in cities of a few dozen millions.

Picking up F-22 of radar profile of a bird that travel close to Mach 1 will be a piece of cake.

And sending Mach 6 BVRAAMs to take down that fast flying bird.

Will they hope to hide from the Divine Eagles and more? who then will signal to the BVRAAMs to take them down?

https://thaimilitaryandasianregi...

China’s Divine Eagle anti-stealth UAV is probably an interferometer



main-qimg-e579ad9cb0a0a1b634221dff9042c197






main-qimg-8d62bbf19620ef96cec7484655c0d994






main-qimg-1e553e3713e17adba826d0009054a688






main-qimg-e7e8fa5c00ba9ad3fcf4385eea635d95




10,000 Divine Eagle L-band T/R module interferometer / 1,200 F-35 X-band T/R module AESA radar = Eight times greater sensitivity based on module count

Why does China’s Divine Eagle UAV have a maximum altitude of 79,000 feet?

According to Popular Science, China’s Divine Eagle UAV has a maximum altitude of 25km (or 79,000 feet).

In contrast, the US Global Hawk has a maximum altitude of only 18km (or 57,000 feet).



main-qimg-417c1c3e05f807d164a4560aedd5e516






main-qimg-095e65b1d618fabdeb446bc9cd602c9a




And Chinese Soar Dragon XiangLong

ANOTHER BIG BIRD

The 7-10 ton Xianglong, with some stealthy features, would make an ideal EW drone thanks to its huge size, and lone endurance. Its unique 20 meter joined tandem wings increase its range and on station time.

http://www.top81.cn
, via yexu at China Defense Forum



main-qimg-643b73684fca6c99f045031dd59dc2ed








main-qimg-8366771987477c5026c27253b43a203a






main-qimg-39f1b6119bea6c1ab7e1560015217406






main-qimg-5ff65ac2f01c52a86fc29557e23dc417




The system might also move beyond a surveillance role. Chinese engineers have noted that the Xianglong's large payload, endurance and range makes it ideal for electronic warfare (EW) missions, both for gathering intelligence on electronic activity, as well as carrying jammers to disrupt enemy radars and datalinks. In wartime, the Xianglong's high altitude jammers would seek to disrupt not only the radars of enemy fighters and missiles, but also jam and spoof communications between enemy bombers, airborne early warning and control aircraft, drones and even datalinks between satellites, ships, land based missile launchers and missiles. in such role, the EW Xianglong would operate alongside a host of other Chinese EW aircraft, including Y-9 heavy transport jammers, J-16 and JH-7 strike aircraft, in both offensive and defensive operations.



main-qimg-cd5e50cc0167da38e21a05f5192977ab








Now you can tell me about your dog fights and air combats with China when your planes got no bases to take off from or to land and no carriers and no KC135 tankers and no AEWCs and no JSTARS to tell your pilots what the fuck to do.
dafeng cao@dafengcao
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1038033917020786689

Truly god view, Jilin-1 video satellite shot @OneSpace01 OS-X1 suborbital rocket's launch at JSLC this noon.

2,438
7:59 PM - Sep 7, 2018
Twitter Ads info and privacy
1,323 people are talking about this



China got 3000++ of Mach 3s YJ-12 and YJ18 to throw against the 11 carriers USA want to bring to their self declared FONOP.
Or at least 300++ Mach 3s on each carrier group.
Assuming only 20 % of those will hit. So be assured that at least 10 missiles will hit the carrier and not just 1 missile.
And not just the warhead, there will be 2–3 tons of missiles coming behind the warhead at Mach 3 tearing into the bulkheads and ordnance and aviation fuel and the poor men and women in the carrier. Those 2–3 tons of missile body will be tearing in the bulkheads faster and more deadly then APFSDS. Andf carrying its own unburned fuel to add to the fun.
Even steel will burn when hit with hell fire and tons of steel and debris coming in at Mach 3. The aviation fuel, and paint on walls, the bombs and ordnance will all cook off and add to the huge huge fire inside the carrier. Regardless if carrier under Condition Zebra or Donkey or Jackass.
The brave sailors in those carriers will not care or worry and be happy that their carrier not sinking. And only burning and burning from one end to the other end.



main-qimg-020f2d1218eb98e954cf7c5815126ca6







main-qimg-ee3dec2a61d0bb0dab514b9fa1542a5b




"Illustration of U.S. and threat anti-ship missile ranges from Bryan Clark's CSBA monograph 'Commanding the Seas: A Plan to Reinvigorate U.S. Navy Surface Warfare' https://csbaonline.org/uploads/d...
And do not forget the DF-21Ds and DF-26Bs and the CM-401s



main-qimg-c6f78a0da9fa5ab74d321f2acc7afe1a







main-qimg-fba6480010b96200d6a5ea5507f49350




The U.S. Navy Won't Like China's New Ship-Killer Hypersonic Missile
China Reveals Short-Range Anti-Ship Ballistic Missile Designed To Dodge Enemy Defenses
Graphics associated with the CM-401 suggest it has a “porpoising” or “skip-glide” trajectory that involves the warhead abruptly pulling up at least once as it begins the terminal stage of its flight. This maneuver could extend the range of a ballistic weapon, but has only ever been used to give the warhead a much more irregular flight path and allow it to adjust its course.



main-qimg-f833da083c84539a111c13d36b12d40c




CHINESE INTERNET
A Chinese graphic showing a ballistic missile with a skip-glide trajectory associated with the CM-401.
This, in turn, makes it harder for an opponent to try and intercept the warhead. The CM-401’s terminal speed, which CASIC says is between Mach 4 and 6, would also help it break through enemy defenses to reach its target. The launch platform reportedly has the ability to fire its two missiles on different trajectories against either one or two targets at once, again increasing the difficulty for the defender to respond to the incoming threat.
I cannot imagine the big brothers of CM-401 do not have that capability. Especially as the CM-401 build for the export market.
And what about hypersonic weapons?
The Chinese military in 2014 said it had conducted a hypersonic test flight. By early 2016, it had conducted six successful tests, according to U.S. military officials. How many more since then is anyone guess.



main-qimg-439b8ecf63c280dc63f8c9b9319d1a23







main-qimg-7aecb93c268bfb17f18df8fdc5b8bb26







main-qimg-a1bb6ddff44f7209820b6832895b11be







main-qimg-59f0c1c1e0ec79ef8263bb14bcf36c70






OedoSoldier@OedoSoldier

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/960745363018866688

中国の地上配備中間段階弾道ミサイル防衛試験の動画

80
1:21 PM - Feb 6, 2018
Twitter Ads info and privacy
59 people are talking about this





main-qimg-89b717a7a04e01219203aa73f29d3ea3







main-qimg-485c48086b90a14e988f67e618d7c36e




Starry Sky 2
More likely than not, Chinese hypersonic weapon systems already operational and deployed . USA equivalent still in the dreaming stages and going out to tender.
China leads U.S. on potent super-fast missiles
As for the really serious business that I hope never ever be used,
DF-41 - Wikipedia
The Dong Feng 41 (CSS-X-10) is a road- and rail-mobile intercontinental ballistic missile (ICBM). The DF-41 is currently in its final testing stages and will be the next land-based ballistic missile to be deployed in the People’s Republic of China (PRC). It is estimated to have an operational range of 12,000 to 15,000 km, which would make it the longest range missile in operation. It will likely have a top speed of Mach 25 and will be capable of delivering up to 10 MIRVed warheads.
The DF-41 is a three-stage solid-fueled intercontinental ballistic missile reported to have a maximum range of up to 15,000 kilometers (more than 9320 miles) and a top speed of Mach 25 (19,030 mph). It is said to be capable of carrying up to 10 multiple independently targetable reentry vehicle (MIRVs). Its launch preparation time is estimated to be between 3 to 5 minutes.
This would make the DF-41 the world's longest range missile, surpassing the range of the US LGM-30 Minuteman which has a reported range of 13,000 km.
As by Jan 2017, Chinese media have reported the deployment of three brigades of DF-41 ICBMs. There is photographic evidence of a possible fourth brigade of DF-41 ICBMs on the Tibetan plateau. However, we have only counted the number of DF-41 ICBM TELs (ie. Transporter Erector Launcher), or 4 X 12 TELs
It is inefficient to fire only one ballistic missile per launcher. It is more logical to fire two ballistic missiles per launcher. This process is called re-loading. A DF-41 TEL can either be re-loaded with another DF-41 ICBM missile nearby or the DF-41 TEL can drive to a hidden re-supply location for another DF-41 ICBM.
If you accept that China has one re-load missile for each DF-41 TEL then the total number of Chinese DF-41 ICBMs has to be doubled.
Four brigades of DF-41 ICBMs (Heilongjiang, Henan, Xinjiang, and Tibet Provinces) with one re-load per DF-41 TEL yields 96 total DF-41 ICBMs.



main-qimg-411205790f5ec9ca1dc60ae894b1bab9




Reported DF-41 Deployment: China 'Responding to US Missile Defense in Asia'
Expert: DF-41 among most advanced missiles in the world
If China got only 260 thermonukes like what everyone is saying and hoping, the surplus warheads will be delivering dim sum and tea bags and cleaned pressed laundry from Chinese laundrymen.
Please remember DF-41 got a very big brother coming up as well in case you think DF-41 not worthy enough to deliver dim sum and tea bags and cleaned laundry.
Russia’s RS-28 “Sarmat” ten-ton payload, rated as the most dangerous ICBM . Reportedly it may carry up to fifteen 350 kiloton warheads, or up to twenty-four of the new “Avangard” nuclear-armed Hypersonic Glide Vehicle (HGV) warheads. Sarmat will be dwarfed by Chinese new missile with even larger twenty-ton payload. That will be solid-fuel space-launch vehicle (SLV), and could form the basis for what might become the world’s largest “mobile” ICBM.

The Next China Military Threat: The World's Biggest Mobile ICBM?
what rubbish. we all know who is #1 Glorious America. Land of freedom. From Seeeeeea to Shining Sea. Come on sing with me from Seeeee to Shining Seeeee

2iqc9r.jpg
 
Top