Traitor Can Only Afford $800/Mth for Sporns Woh!

[Watchman]

Your calculation a bit off. In the first place why in the world of F**k is that joker doing spending $200 a month on SG Pools if he only earns $800

This is taken into account . Which lawyers and garment department use .

To open a window of opportunity if the situation allows .

 

[SamuelStalin]

Please take your schoolboy arguments and comparisons back to school. We are talking about how to ensure that wages should be sufficient to ensure a minimum standard of living. I am sure no Singaporean wants to live in the same conditions as our forefathers who came here to work as coolies (next you will be telling everyone that $200 is better than $0). If our esteemed leaders can't find a solution, I would suggest they take an immediate substantial paycut and be extremely humble rather than spouting the same crap like you do.

Not to be racist, but you are making a sweeping, generalized statement about no Singaporean being able or willing to survive on $800 a month. If the Malays with bigger families can do it, then why can't the other races?

 

[SamuelStalin]

Actually Gan is my old friend and we had a fun little wager on the DJIA turnout during Q2 this year where understandably, he lost, and so he has to do a forfeit by coming out to work as a janitor at Shangri-la for like $600 per month with CPF deductions for two years.

Naturally, he is stressed by the job and the denigration of its pay (not that he needs it), so being the quiet rebel that he is he thought of taking out his frustrations in an indirect whining way by writing a provocative joke letter like this to the press.

That's his character that I've known him for so many years since our naughty and carefree days in primary school.

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<!-- START OF : div id="storytext"--><!-- more than 4 paragraphs -->I REFER to the letters last Saturday by Mr Kang Kee Beng ('Hiring local') and Mr Richard Wong ('Staffing dilemma'). I have had similar experiences when it comes to hiring Singaporeans for some of my projects.
Looking at the unemployment figures, it is easy to say that Singaporeans cannot find jobs and that job vacancies have been taken up by foreign workers, or that local firms prefer to employ foreign workers. However, Singaporeans do not understand the difficulties that local firms face.
First, the salary package that the companies offer is not acceptable to Singaporeans. For example, few Singaporeans will accept a job that pays $800 per month for a daily eight-hour shift, even though this is the best that the firms can offer if they are to remain viable.
Second, most labour-intensive industries, such as construction, cleaning, food and beverage and landscaping, require a lot of workers to run. These jobs require workers who are physically fit and willing to endure hardship. Many Singaporeans will not even consider taking up such jobs. So, local firms have no choice but to turn to foreign workers.
The authorities have decided to increase the hiring quota for Singaporeans before local firms can employ foreign workers. But the authorities should realise that Singaporeans are too choosy when it comes to jobs. Increasing the quota will not solve the unemployment problem. Instead, it hurts labour-intensive businesses.
Entrepreneurs who have just started their businesses will stand no chance of breaking into their respective industries as they must employ more Singaporeans in order to meet the quota to hire foreign workers.
The authorities should educate Singaporeans to take up jobs that they now shun.
Jobs are always available in Singapore and local firms are more than happy to hire Singaporeans, but our people need to change their mindset.
The authorities are cracking down on the practice of hiring 'phantom' workers and illegal deployments. I applaud such moves to clean up the industry, but I am puzzled why the authorities decided to take action only recently, when such practices have been going on for some time.
If the authorities cannot come up with a solution to the problems faced by companies here, then more and more of them may resort to such illegal practices.

=> What are the other cost components? Who are responsible for them being sky high while being the BEST PAID in the world?

Gan Leng Chye

 

[Papsmearer]

Your calculation a bit off. In the first place why in the world of F**k is that joker doing spending $200 a month on SG Pools if he only earns $800. My personal monthly spending usually hovers around the $800 mark and I don't even really try to penny pinch. I think your calculation should look closer to this

1)Transport - $80(after selling the car, which I realize I almost never use, the expenses are down 1000+%. These days I usually top up my EZlink only twice a month $40 each time)

2)Food - Breakfast, Lunch, Dinner, daily budget $15 * 30days = $450(I dun usually take breakfast but I added another $5 per day since most pple do. And U only calculated 26 days, the rest of the 4 days no need to eat ah.)

3)Handphone Bill - $50(Seriously if that guy was THAT poor he has no business paying $150 every month the cheapest plan is around $30 which I am currently paying, I also carry a company blackberry which has an Unlimited data and basic call plan and the monthly bill is only about $100 a month so $150 is a ridiculous amount for phone bills)

4)Utility Bills - $100($150 for utilities? What does he do, turn the air con on all day? Someone who earns only $800 a month will get subsidized utility bills. I have 2 Uncles getting that, 1 on those pay per use scheme and I have never seen it exceed $100)

5)HDB rental - $50(I'm assuming he is so poor that he is able to rent direct from HDB)

6)Conservancy charges - Waived(FYI, someone who is this poor can apply to get his conservancy charges waived.)

Total = 680. Which means he still have cash left over a month. For a single person its barely enough so I think your calculation is way off. And note that I took the higher end of most of my example, the actual figure should be lower then this. I eat at Restaurant at least twice a month and my own monthly budget is only around $800+ so I think its fair enough to assume that someone who is poor and penny pinch would do way better then me

However if the guy has a family then he is pretty much totally screwed. On a side note, does any of you actually have any poor friends or relatives, it seems to me like a lot of you do not realize the poor gets to pay a lot less then us for a lot of things. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying they have it easy but from what I can tell from my relatives experiences, you cannot take what we usually pay and apply it to the poor

Its accurate calculation, but for a few things. A $800 a month salary does not mean $800 take home. You have deductions at the source starting with CPF. So, net in the pocket is closer to $700. Also, in order to qualify for the $50 rent from HDB, you must jump thru all sorts of hoops and crap. If you are earning $800, they will not give you a subsidize rental for $50 a month. they will tell u you earn to much to qualify.

My own personal calculation for an individual to survive is that they need a salary of $1400. And that means sharing a rental flat with some other people, one person per room. The housing part is the biggest expense, thanks to the fucking HDB who is supposed to provide cheap housing for S'poreans.

 

[cass888]

Please take your schoolboy arguments and comparisons back to school. We are talking about how to ensure that wages should be sufficient to ensure a minimum standard of living. I am sure no Singaporean wants to live in the same conditions as our forefathers who came here to work as coolies (next you will be telling everyone that $200 is better than $0). If our esteemed leaders can't find a solution, I would suggest they take an immediate substantial paycut and be extremely humble rather than spouting the same crap like you do.

You are so missing the point. The original poster said that $800 is not enough, so the bloke is justified in not taking the job. I'm questioning that logic since $800 > $0.

 

[makapaaa]

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<!-- START OF : div id="storytext"--><!-- more than 4 paragraphs -->CLOSE to 8,000 foreign workers will go to church next weekend for a 'Banquet of Honour'.
The event, organised by a group of Protestant churches called Together In Transformation, will serve them free meals from Thursday to Sunday at six venues, including Tampines and Jurong.
The effort is the latest among religious groups to feed Singapore's transient workers - mostly domestic and blue-collar workers from China, India and the Philippines - a growing group here.
In fact, a population report released in September puts the number of non-resident workers at more than one million - 10 times more compared to 30 years ago.
A spokesman for the group said the effort was long overdue: 'These workers are a silent major group of our workforce. We want to honour them and let them know that they are appreciated.'
The increase has encouraged religious groups to see to their practical needs.
The workers already face problems such as not getting enough rest days, poor housing and unfair remuneration.
Many save money by going for free meals as a big chunk of their monthly salaries - between $300 and $700 - is either sent home to families or used to pay off debt.
Some workers say the free meals are of better quality than those at hostels, and that buffet lunches are more filling.
Visibly, this swell in numbers is most evident at the Singapore Buddhist Lodge in Kim Yan Road. Its daily vegetarian lunches attract thousands each week.
Since January, the lodge has increased its volume of weekday meals from 1,000 to 1,600; while on weekends, as many as 6,000 throng its kitchens.
Many are Chinese nationals.
Mr Huang Xing, 35, a labourer from Hubei, who eats there two or three times a week, said the free food comes with an extra perk: The lodge's meal of stewed cabbage, rice and thick herbal tea reminds him of home.
The Archdiocesan Commission for the Pastoral Care of Migrants and Itinerant People (ACMI) also notes a rise in workers seeking help.
The Catholic outfit in Highland Road, which provides free welfare services for foreign workers, offers daily packed lunches to Chinese and Indian labourers in the area.
Its executive director, Mr Patrick Neo, said that he now packs about 800 meals every week, compared to 300 meals a week last year.
He has increased his budget for next year to pack about 1,000 meals a week.
Other religious organisations provide meals to coincide with services or welcome foreign workers to existing free-food programmes.
The Lutheran King of Glory Church in Norris Road, for example, serves free meals every Sunday to Indian workers during its Tamil services, while Sengkang's Tian Tao Temple invites foreign workers to its Sunday breakfast buffet.
Geylang's Hindu Sri Krishna Mandir and Jalan Bukit Merah's Central Sikh Temple report a growing number of foreign workers going for their free lunches.
Mr Sundar Gopal Das, head of the Sri Krishna Mandir, said: 'Times are tough. As long as they are hungry, we will feed them.'
Some mosques even go beyond food donations.
The Mohd Salleh Mosque in Geylang conducts religious classes in the Bengali language for Bangladeshi construction workers; and the Sultan Mosque in Kampung Glam, on two Sundays monthly, holds workshops for Indonesian maids in sewing, computer literacy and other life skills.
At the heart of religious bodies' efforts is the message to their own believers: to treat others as they themselves wish to be treated.
'We want to reinforce to our members these principles, to always respect and treat the foreigners in their country the same they would any other citizen,' said a spokesman for hosts of next week's event, Together In Transformation.


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[makapaaa]

problem is entrepreneurs like him are not smart enough to make money, thats why complain..
they only know how to cut costs, not improve revenue..

The real culprits are the Familee traitor dogs which have hijacked the cuntry's basic resources and overpriced them! To prevent the businesses from going at them, they cleverly ban min. wage and allow FTrash free access to Peesai. Really, nothing short of a People's Revolution can save Sporns' from this economic genocide. The Familee traitor dogs MUST be brought to JUSTICE!

 

[Boliao]

It should be Ho-ho KaChing "$" Maggie Noodles.. - Asshole licking MBT

 

[littlefish]

You are so missing the point. The original poster said that $800 is not enough, so the bloke is justified in not taking the job. I'm questioning that logic since $800 > $0.

You are the one who is mistaken. The letter writer stated that few Singaporeans wanted to take up jobs at $800pm and blames Singaporeans. Has he considered that by taking up the $800 jobs which actually pays only $640 in cash, the worker is actually depriving himself of opportunities to work at other part-time jobs or jobs nearer his home so that he can end up with more than that amount? After you deduct the transport costs, you may end up with around $500 in cash per month (or about $25 per day). For someone with a family, that is definitely insufficient. If the guy is single, he may be able to scrape by if he does not have to pay other costs like rent or utilities. How many Singaporeans fall into this category of willing to accept $25 per day for 8 hours' worth of work? The few who do tend to be those who have been forced to desperation. Is this not exploitation?

Ask yourself, is it worth your while to work at a job 8 hours a day (sometimes graveyard shift) to earn a paltry $25 cash in Singapore today (please don't forget that Singapore also does not provide benefits like free healthcare, so that $25 is pretty much all you have got)? The reason why immigrants from third world countries are willing to accept $25 per day is because $25 translate into $100 or more in their home currency (sometimes, they even get free accommodation, transport and food).

 

[littlefish]

Not to be racist, but you are making a sweeping, generalized statement about no Singaporean being able or willing to survive on $800 a month. If the Malays with bigger families can do it, then why can't the other races?

As I have said, those who are accepting the jobs may be forced by desperation, doesn't matter which race they belong to. Please do not divert the topic into another issue. The question of discussion is "Should it be a surprise that few Singaporeans are willing to take up jobs that pay only $800 per month?". If you can't provide any useful input for discussion, please do everyone a favour and go for a long walk (off a short pier preferably).

 

[rodent2005]

Hello uncle, take home pay after 20% CPF is S$640.

 

[mscitw]

It looks like Gans are slowly becoming vultures of the land.

One Minion Gan is happily importing FTs to fatten the profits of merchants.

Another vile merchant gan insists that FTs are needed because he will not pay more than 800 peanuts for local peasants. He learns from Half Breed Viv who loves to see old peasants starve.

Monkey see, monkey do, all about money on this island, woe to Peasantpore.

 

[cass888]

You are still missing the point. Is your family better off with the $500 take home, or without? That is the bottom line.

If you can earn >$800 part time etc elsewhere, then you don't belong in this category. But if you can't, bottom line is that $800 is better than nothing. Better than nothing. Better than nothing. Better than nothing. Better than nothing. Better than nothing. Better than nothing. Better than nothing. Better than nothing. Better than nothing. Better than nothing. At least until something better comes along. To say $500 is too little, not worth it etc etc then stay at home and twiddle your thumbs is preferable is just plain stupid.

You are the one who is mistaken. The letter writer stated that few Singaporeans wanted to take up jobs at $800pm and blames Singaporeans. Has he considered that by taking up the $800 jobs which actually pays only $640 in cash, the worker is actually depriving himself of opportunities to work at other part-time jobs or jobs nearer his home so that he can end up with more than that amount? After you deduct the transport costs, you may end up with around $500 in cash per month (or about $25 per day). For someone with a family, that is definitely insufficient. If the guy is single, he may be able to scrape by if he does not have to pay other costs like rent or utilities. How many Singaporeans fall into this category of willing to accept $25 per day for 8 hours' worth of work? The few who do tend to be those who have been forced to desperation. Is this not exploitation?

Ask yourself, is it worth your while to work at a job 8 hours a day (sometimes graveyard shift) to earn a paltry $25 cash in Singapore today (please don't forget that Singapore also does not provide benefits like free healthcare, so that $25 is pretty much all you have got)? The reason why immigrants from third world countries are willing to accept $25 per day is because $25 translate into $100 or more in their home currency (sometimes, they even get free accommodation, transport and food).

 

[Papsmearer]

You are still missing the point. Is your family better off with the $500 take home, or without? That is the bottom line.

If you can earn >$800 part time etc elsewhere, then you don't belong in this category. But if you can't, bottom line is that $800 is better than nothing. Better than nothing. Better than nothing. Better than nothing. Better than nothing. Better than nothing. Better than nothing. Better than nothing. Better than nothing. Better than nothing. Better than nothing. At least until something better comes along. To say $500 is too little, not worth it etc etc then stay at home and twiddle your thumbs is preferable is just plain stupid.

No, you moron. If you take a job that pays $500, you have forgone the opportunity to look for a job that pays more. U do not have time to follow leads, attend job interviews, and job hunt for the better paying job. In the short run, you have a measely $500 in your pocket, in the long run, you have lost something more valuable. Get your peanut size brain to understand this.

 

[cass888]

No, you moron. If you take a job that pays $500, you have forgone the opportunity to look for a job that pays more. U do not have time to follow leads, attend job interviews, and job hunt for the better paying job. In the short run, you have a measely $500 in your pocket, in the long run, you have lost something more valuable. Get your peanut size brain to understand this.

MONGREL who bit his masters' hands LOUDHAILER chee soon juan, you think we're talking about faculty members with PhDs sacked for stealing postage stamps? We're talking about cleaners here. Follow what leads?

Sometimes your hatred really makes you a moron.

 

[Cerebral]

You are still missing the point. Is your family better off with the $500 take home, or without? That is the bottom line.

If you can earn >$800 part time etc elsewhere, then you don't belong in this category. But if you can't, bottom line is that $800 is better than nothing. Better than nothing. Better than nothing. Better than nothing. Better than nothing. Better than nothing. Better than nothing. Better than nothing. Better than nothing. Better than nothing. Better than nothing. At least until something better comes along. To say $500 is too little, not worth it etc etc then stay at home and twiddle your thumbs is preferable is just plain stupid.

I think the gist of this thread was that there has to be a minimum wage system and not a comparison between haves and have nots. Following your line of arguement, then if the employer is offering Gross of $400, then would your argument be "better $400 or $0" I guess the thread with the various comments was trying to establish that it is extremely difficult to survive with $800 gross in Singapore and almost impossible if you have a family and single income.

 

[Papsmearer]

I think the gist of this thread was that there has to be a minimum wage system and not a comparison between haves and have nots. Following your line of arguement, then if the employer is offering Gross of $400, then would your argument be "better $400 or $0" I guess the thread with the various comments was trying to establish that it is extremely difficult to survive with $800 gross in Singapore and almost impossible if you have a family and single income.

Don't bother debating with Cass888, he is a known PAP dog, and lows to swallow his master's sperm.

 

[cass888]

Don't bother debating with Cass888, he is a known PAP dog, and lows to swallow his master's sperm.

More likely you're just a dog to the dog himself the MONGREL who bit his masters' hands LOUDHAILER chee soon juan spewing out your socialist bullshit.

 

[Cerebral]

More likely you're just a dog to the dog himself the MONGREL who bit his masters' hands LOUDHAILER chee soon juan spewing out your socialist bullshit.

Not taking any sides, but I think Sinagpore is classified as a Controlled Democracy. Just wondering about the Socialist bit you pointed out

 

[wikiphile]

This Gan Leng Chye should be renamed GAN LUN CHEOW!!

I think this is a ghost letter.

His initials are GLC lah!
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goh leng chye - handsome goh leh