This will warm the cockles of your heart.....

[Leongsam]

In Italy the infection n death rates r dropping.

If all the fear mongering did not happen n the focus was on herd immunity the bloody virus would be over by now

Italy sees second successive drop in coronavirus deaths
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A priest wearing a face mask checks a book of funeral rites as he gives the last blessing to a deceased person, by a coffin during a funeral ceremony outside the cemetery of Bolgare, Lombardy. (Piero CRUCIATTI/AFP)
24 Mar 2020 03:30AM
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ROME: Italy on Monday (Mar 23) reported a second successive drop in daily deaths and infections from a coronavirus that has nevertheless claimed more than 6,000 lives in a month.

The Mediterranean country has now seen its daily fatalities come down from a world record 793 on Saturday to 651 on Sunday and 601 on Monday.

The number of new declared infections fell from 6,557 on Saturday to 4,789 on Monday.

The top medical officer for Milan's devastated Lombardy region appeared on television smiling for the first time in many weeks.

"We cannot declare victory just yet," Giulio Gallera said. "But there is light at the end of the tunnel."

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A group of nurses wearing protective mask and gear at the Cremona hospital, southeast of Milan, Lombardy. Paolo MIRANDA/AFP
Italy's National Health Institute (ISS) chief Silvio Brusaferro was more guarded.

"These are positive number but I do not have the courage to firmly state that there is a downward trend," the medical expert told reporters.

Italians will desperately hope that weeks of living under a lockdown in which even a jog in the park was eventually banned was the price worth paying for beating back the new disease.

Saturday's record toll was followed by a late-night address to the nation in which Prime Minister Giuseppe Conte announced the additional closure of "non-essential" factories.

His government also banned travel to help a country that turned into the new epicentre of the pandemic last week get through a critical stretch in which restrictions are supposed to finally show results.

"Now more than ever, everyone's commitment is needed," Health Minister Roberto Speranza said after Monday's figures came out.

Italy's toll now stands at 6,077 - more than that of China and third-placed Spain combined.

READ: Why Italy? The factors behind a coronavirus disaster
NERVES STARTING TO FRAY

Italy has sacrificed its economy and liberties by closing and banning almost everything to halt the spread of a virus the government views as an existential threat.

READ: Italian police recycle oxygen canisters from coronavirus victims
The nation has rallied around its exhausted doctors and tried to deal with life under a state of emergency with humour and grace.

Entire city blocks have organised balcony parties with nightly DJs. There have been singalongs and synchronised rounds of applause.

But Italians' nerves were clearly starting to fray and the pushback on social media against the ever-changing rules and tightening regulations was getting strong.

Twitter posts went viral ridiculing mayors and regional chiefs who threatened to jail joggers and fine people for walking their dogs too far from their homes.

The government's new partial ban of seemingly random industries added to an air of confusion in the face of a disease Conte has called Italy's biggest disaster since World War II.

Auto part makers were allowed to stay open but steel mills were shut. News stands could still operate but book stores could not.

DECISION TIME

The reality is that Conte's team is running out of things to close or ban.

Other nations are also watching the Italian numbers to see if Conte's ban-everything tactics work.

Italy is on the frontline of a war against a disease being fought by means that currently restrict freedoms and devastate economies.

Some are starting to openly ask if this price is too high - even as the global death toll soars.

Officials pleaded with the nation of 60 million - people accustomed to celebrating life outdoors deep into the night - to sacrifice individual liberties for the common good for two weeks.

The initial restrictions placed on the northern epicentre of the pandemic around Milan expired on Sunday and the national measures are set to end on Wednesday.

Conte indicated last week that he might need to extend the restrictions indefinitely.

His decision is expected within days.

"If everyone - and I stress everyone - respects our bans, we will emerge from this very difficult test first," Conte said on Monday.

It's like any battle ie there will be casualties but the end justifies the means.

All they did was delay the inevitable. Nature knows best as it is what brought us to where we are today.

 

[nayr69sg]

The doctors are the ones arguing against herd immunity. Not all doctors are saints. Yes visiting my old relatives in age care soon. It pains me to see them living there without dignity. Pee and shit n wait for diapers to be changed

Yes not all doctors are saints. I am sure there are doctors arguing for herd immunity too. Just that they dont want to be interviewed.

But not all doctors are evil either.

Strange but you seem to imply that the doctors who are arguing to let people die and for herd immunity are the saints while those who want to save as many lives as possible are the demons?

I am sorry that your old relatives are living in such deplorable conditions even before the covid19 crisis. You are such a nice relative to let them live in such horrible conditions.

My father is still healthy and plays golf most days. My mum is also healthy and lives in good conditions. Not everyone is like you let their aged so called "loved ones" live in such despicable conditions.

 

[LaoTze]

But does it put a smile to your face?

 

[LaoTze]

It's like any battle ie there will be casualties but the end justifies the means.

All they did was delay the inevitable. Nature knows best as it is what brought us to where we are today.

Hope this helps:

An appeal to sensibilitiy and responsibility. Sharing a post in a secure Telegram chatgroup of 1,578 Singspore doctors

This letter in the Irish Times. Do read it, it’s un-controversial and infinitely sensible.

If you agree, share it.

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Coronavirus – the need for vigilance

Sir, – Many people have been showing great support to the healthcare workers that are on the “frontline’’. I have had people asking me what they can do to support doctors and nurses in the fight against coronavirus. This is a heartwarming sentiment but it also shows a huge misunderstanding of what is actually going on here. The frontline is not in hospitals. The frontline is where you are, out on the streets. If we are using this war analogy, doctors and nurses are not the soldiers. They are still just the doctors and nurses, dealing with the casualties of war. It is the everyday citizen who is the soldier. It is you who are playing the most important role in fighting this disease. We do not have medicine to treat this virus. Prevention is the only way to fight this. Prevention is up to every one of us.
There are two things about viruses that we all must understand. First, they require hosts to spread. They cannot replicate by themselves. Every time you come into contact with someone you are giving the virus a chance to spread, to replicate, and become more powerful. Every time you decide to avoid contact with someone new, you starve the virus.
Second, viruses spread exponentially. Every time you come into contact with someone new, you are not just putting that person at risk, but also all the people that that person comes into contact with, and all the people that those people come into contact with. Every time you meet one person, it will affect an untold number of people, many of whom will have weaker immune systems than you, and will suffer severely. It is your duty to protect these vulnerable people. I cannot stress this enough. It is the decisions that you make that will decide the course of this disaster.
Social distancing is the most important intervention we can all carry out. It is our greatest weapon. If you can self-isolate for at least two weeks you will help flatten the curve and you will save countless lives. That is the gift that healthcare workers are praying for. Please be our heroes! – Yours, etc,
Dr COLM HARRINGTON,
Salthill, Galway.

 

[Hypocrite-The]

Yes not all doctors are saints. I am sure there are doctors arguing for herd immunity too. Just that they dont want to be interviewed.

But not all doctors are evil either.

Strange but you seem to imply that the doctors who are arguing to let people die and for herd immunity are the saints while those who want to save as many lives as possible are the demons?

I am sorry that your old relatives are living in such deplorable conditions even before the covid19 crisis. You are such a nice relative to let them live in such horrible conditions.

If I had my way I would have let them move on without medical treatment like stated in the AMD. However others disagree. It seems letting them suffer n living gives them great solace that they are being filial

 

[nayr69sg]

If I had my way I would have let them move on without medical treatment like stated in the AMD. However others disagree. It seems letting them suffer n living gives them great solace that they are being filial

Just because your situation is like this doesn't mean it is the same for everyone.

There are many elderly folk who are still healthy and active. Live in nice surroundings among people who love them.

You want ALL old people to die right?

Sorry man. Some of us still want our parents to be with us. Not out of any sense of duty but because we do enjoy their company.

Some SBF brothers here are also elderly. I do not want them to die. I enjoy trading barbs with them here too.

 

[Leongsam]

You want ALL old people to die right?

Sorry man. Some of us still want our parents to be with us. Not out of any sense of duty but because we do enjoy their company.

ALL old people will die. It is just a matter of when. Nature has a huge arsenal of weapons against old people. If one shot misses the next weapon is loaded, ready and waiting.

 

[nayr69sg]

ALL old people will die. It is just a matter of when. Nature has a huge arsenal of weapons against old people. If one shot misses the next weapon is loaded, ready and waiting.

Ok lah. What I meant was ALL old people to die NOW!!

Lol!

I dunno man. You guys really solid. Seriously you want all the old people to die NOW!

Hey go start a group that will go around assassinating old people lah.

 

[Leongsam]

And if old age diseases don't get you there are always natural catastrophes to hope for....

 

[Hypocrite-The]

Just because your situation is like this doesn't mean it is the same for everyone.

There are many elderly folk who are still healthy and active. Live in nice surroundings among people who love them.

You want ALL old people to die right?

Sorry man. Some of us still want our parents to be with us. Not out of any sense of duty but because we do enjoy their company.

If these old farts are healthy n dont have a compromised immune system. Than wat they have to fear? N just bcos u want to love yr parents, u want others to suffer n have destroyed rice bowls so u can b happy? That is wat u r advocating n that is wat is happening in ang mor lands now. U go tell that to the working class who live pay check to pay check.

https://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2020...rth-as-coronavirus-closes-businesses/12082100

 

[Hypocrite-The]

Ok lah. What I meant was ALL old people to die NOW!!

Lol!

I dunno man. You guys really solid. Seriously you want all the old people to die NOW!

Hey go start a group that will go around assassinating old people lah.

Well said..soylent Green is the best n growing old is a sin.

 

[Leongsam]

Ok lah. What I meant was ALL old people to die NOW!!

Lol!

I dunno man. You guys really solid. Seriously you want all the old people to die NOW!

Hey go start a group that will go around assassinating old people lah.

But the point is that not ALL old people will die. Some will die the majority will survive. The mortality rate is not 50%, 80% or 100%. It's only 10% to 30%.

If I told you that you have a 70% chance of winning Toto I'm sure you'd buy lots and lots of tickets.

 

[Hypocrite-The]

ALL old people will die. It is just a matter of when. Nature has a huge arsenal of weapons against old people. If one shot misses the next weapon is loaded, ready and waiting.

Uh..everyone dies. Death is part of life. It's the way ppl go about acting irrationally n acting the goat that is causing economic n social miseries

 

[nayr69sg]

If these old farts are healthy n dont have a compromised immune system. Than wat they have to fear? N just bcos u want to love yr parents, u want others to suffer n have destroyed rice bowls so u can b happy? That is wat u r advocating n that is wat is happening in ang mor lands now. U go tell that to the working class who live pay check to pay check.

https://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2020...rth-as-coronavirus-closes-businesses/12082100

You mean those who live pay check to pay check are asking that their elderly loved ones go die NOW?

The debate is simple.

Lives vs Money.

You value money over lives.

I value lives over money as I have explained because money can be earned again. Lives lost are forever.

Yes old people will die eventually. Heck young people will die eventually also.

Why dont the country you are in just kill everybody lah. That's another way. The elite get protected. Then we get army go to homes and kill everyone who is poor. Kill 70% of the population. Young old whatever.

Lives vs money.

 

[Leongsam]

You mean those who live pay check to pay check are asking that their elderly loved ones go die NOW?

The debate is simple.

Lives vs Money.

You value money over lives.

I value lives over money as I have explained because money can be earned again. Lives lost are forever.

Yes old people will die eventually. Heck young people will die eventually also.

Why dont the country you are in just kill everybody lah. That's another way. The elite get protected. Then we get army go to homes and kill everyone who is poor. Kill 70% of the population. Young old whatever.

Lives vs money.

Doc you're still young and have growing children and you want to see them blossom and succeed in life.

However some of us are like Frank Barone.... cynical, grumpy old bastards that have had their fun. We don't mind going. We just want the process to be short lived and relatively painless.

One day your views will change. It's just a matter of time...

 

[nayr69sg]

Uh..everyone dies. Death is part of life. It's the way ppl go about acting irrationally n acting the goat that is causing economic n social miseries

I agree. This has caused massive economic misery.

Is it worth saving thousands of lives?

What to do? The majority agree with this approach.

The people who dont agree can revolt. Go ahead.

As seen in the UK people are disabling ambulances.

And as I have told you you should go catch covid19 and spread it more where you live.

No point coming here and complain to the cows. Go out and do something. Go assassinate the doctors. If you kill all the doctors guaranteed will have to switch to herd immunity approach.

So go to the hospital and mass kill all the doctors where you live. You hate them anyway.

 

[nayr69sg]

Doc you're still young and have growing children and you want to see them blossom and succeed in life.

However some of us are like Frank Barone.... cynical, grumpy old bastards that have had their fun. We don't mind going. We just want the process to be short lived and relatively painless.

One day your views will change. It's just a matter of time...

There is no one stopping old people from killing themselves.

If you truly hate living then commit suicide lah.

 

[Hypocrite-The]

You mean those who live pay check to pay check are asking that their elderly loved ones go die NOW?

The debate is simple.

Lives vs Money.

You value money over lives.

I value lives over money as I have explained because money can be earned again. Lives lost are forever.

Yes old people will die eventually. Heck young people will die eventually also.

Why dont the country you are in just kill everybody lah. That's another way. The elite get protected. Then we get army go to homes and kill everyone who is poor. Kill 70% of the population. Young old whatever.

Lives vs money.

Starve to death...dont have to worry about money after tat

 

[nayr69sg]

Starve to death...dont have to worry about money after tat

Where so you live? People around where you live are starving to death?

Where I am they are saying no one will go hungry and we will go help anyone who is in financial need during this crisis.

As I mentioned universal income. I think some Nordic countries already have universal income.

So instead of clamoring for universal income so everyone can pay rent and eat food you rather some people die instead so that your business can flourish meanwhile the poor still struggle pay check to pay check.

There are other ways to sort out the economic problem too.

 

[Hypocrite-The]

I agree. This has caused massive economic misery.

Is it worth saving thousands of lives?

What to do? The majority agree with this approach.

The people who dont agree can revolt. Go ahead.

As seen in the UK people are disabling ambulances.

And as I have told you you should go catch covid19 and spread it more where you live.

No point coming here and complain to the cows. Go out and do something. Go assassinate the doctors. If you kill all the doctors guaranteed will have to switch to herd immunity approach.

So go to the hospital and mass kill all the doctors where you live. You hate them anyway.

I dont hate good doctors. I just cant stand those with the holier than thou attitude like u. Save life of the ones better off dead but let the ppl starve. It's ok. They can earn money again when they are on the streets. Lock the whole world down. Save a few sick farts n everyone else starve