Think China should just split from Xinjiang....

[Jah_rastafar_I]

so why doesn't anyone talk of the double standards? Indonesia give back iran jaya.

 

[Devil Within]

They are better off under China rule. If they gain independence, there will be infightings. civil wars and conflicts with their Muslims neighbours. Then there will be refugees crossing into China side for economic reasons. So China is doing them a favour by ruling over them.

 

[Devil Within]

You really need to brush up on your knowledge of history.

If want to talk about history, it depends on which period you are talking about.

 

[kingrant]

Should be Xinjiang should just split from China. This is called respecting who's tua and who's swey.

Just like when you compare yrself with somebody famous, you put it in the right order: You say, I look like Elvis. You dont say, Elvis looked like me.

 

[laksaboy]

If want to talk about history, it depends on which period you are talking about.

Exactly. So according to sleaguepunter's logic, Christ was born around the time the Qing dynasty was formed.

 

[Logisex]

Xinjiang can prosper like the rest of the provinces under CCP. Instead, they choose to be pickpockets in other provinces. Its their own people that are sabotaging their own progress.

If Tibet is under CCP, there will still be slaves there:

[video=youtube;Lt0tMpT9fgA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lt0tMpT9fgA[/video]

 

[Sideswipe]

I wasn't aware that china ruled xinjiang for so long. For some odd reason ppl in here totally ignore the double standards when it comes to other countries occupying others lands. Not a peep like when you ask them about okinawa.

people generally know little or are misinformed about China's history or present. one more thing. many people said China shouldn't be allowed to claim lands based on past dynasties when those lands are not historically an integral part of Chinese territory. but the likes of Vietnam, Cambodia and Laos can claim lands or islands based on French Indochina when those territories weren't a part of their countries before the French colonization.

 

[sleaguepunter]

I wasn't aware that china ruled xinjiang for so long. For some odd reason ppl in here totally ignore the double standards when it comes to other countries occupying others lands. Not a peep like when you ask them about okinawa.

both the Han and Tang dynasty had total control over the whole region. Xinjiang is part of the silk route, chinese garrions line the route to protect the trading caravans. The Qing (although not exactly han chinese) fought the Tsar russian over xinjiang in the 1800s and won. KMT chinese muslim troops fought stalinist russia to prevent stalinist russia from occupying the lands. If

 

[sleaguepunter]

You really need to brush up on your knowledge of history.

u use a map drew in the modern era and u use one of the weakest chinese dynasty as reference. dont just refute just because u dont like the chinese.

 

[sleaguepunter]

Exactly. So according to sleaguepunter's logic, Christ was born around the time the Qing dynasty was formed.

r u blind? the map devil used from the same source as you, if i not mistaken, from wikipedia. look at the tang map. chinese occupied xinjiang on and off over the last 2000 yrs. u dont know about history, dont act smart.

 

[Jah_rastafar_I]

people generally know little or are misinformed about China's history or present. one more thing. many people said China shouldn't be allowed to claim lands based on past dynasties when those lands are not historically an integral part of Chinese territory. but the likes of Vietnam, Cambodia and Laos can claim lands or islands based on French Indochina when those territories weren't a part of their countries before the French colonization.

That's right it's odd and you see naysayers in here don't even at least try to explain why they have double standards. Honestly they totally avoid it and they should be asked about it every turn.

both the Han and Tang dynasty had total control over the whole region. Xinjiang is part of the silk route, chinese garrions line the route to protect the trading caravans. The Qing (although not exactly han chinese) fought the Tsar russian over xinjiang in the 1800s and won. KMT chinese muslim troops fought stalinist russia to prevent stalinist russia from occupying the lands. If

I didn't know about this piece of history and yes it makes sense considering how aggressive russia was and probably is in accquiring territory. Imagine if xinjiang was under russian rule would the chinese dogs in here say russia should let xinjiang be independent?

 

[eatshitndie]

han armies with massive contingents of cavalry under the rule of emperor wu (141-87 bc) conquered what is today known as the tarim basin in central asia. as a result, the silk road was established to the west via this region. to the north is the tian shan mountain range and to the south are the kunlun mountains. the basin is a natural terrain for horseback warfare and conquest. it will make sun ho proud.

 

[Spock]

Invasion 101: Slaughter most of the original inhabitants and then claim the land as yours. That way, there would be few people you can return the land to if you are asked to do so. If not, the entire North and South America, Australia and NZ will need to be returned to their native populations.

Unfortunately, Han Chinese do not usually commit genocide as they are more focused on commercial enterprises.

 

[Robert Half]

You really need to brush up on your knowledge of history.

Based on this map, we can see that Taiwan was never a part of China too :p

 

[eatshitndie]

Based on this map, we can see that Taiwan was never a part of China too :p

the song imperial court couldn't care one shit about taiwan until they lost all of china to the mongols. surviving remnants of the court congregated in xiamen and started settling in taiwan for refuge when mongols headed south.

 

[sleaguepunter]

han armies with massive contingents of cavalry under the rule of emperor wu (141-87 bc) conquered what is today known as the tarim basin in central asia. as a result, the silk road was established to the west via this region. to the north is the tian shan mountain range and to the south are the kunlun mountains. the basin is a natural terrain for horseback warfare and conquest. it will make sun ho proud.

more like han wudi launched expedtions toward central asia to secure supply of superior cavalry chargers as local stock were poor quality. Han Wudi once launched invasion of a western region state because its king refused to export it horses to han wudi court as tribute. the siege of its capital was only lifted after 3000 of its prized horses were offered to han wudi breeding stations.

 

[jw5]

They need someone like Zhang Wuji, who doesn't mind han, mongol or persian, as long as they are chiobus.

 

[Thick Face Black Heart]

It's all about natural resources - oil, coal, natural gas, etc - and the allocation of profits from the mining of those resources, central versus provincial. Malaysia will never let Sabah or Sarawak go. Sama sama China will never let Xinjiang go. Not because they like to oppress the Uighurs, but because of the natural resources.

Below, is article from SCMP:

A top mainland political researcher has called on Beijing to leave more money in the resources-rich western provinces to prevent what critics call the predatory exploitation of the area.

Agree. Safeguarding the borderlands is one of China's geopolitical imperatives. They form a fortress protecting the Han Chinese core. Not wise to keep them in a perpetual state of poverty as the unrest will only grow. Problem is one of corruption & greed by central planning officials.

 

[eatshitndie]

more like han wudi launched expedtions toward central asia to secure supply of superior cavalry chargers as local stock were poor quality. Han Wudi once launched invasion of a western region state because its king refused to export it horses to han wudi court as tribute. the siege of its capital was only lifted after 3000 of its prized horses were offered to han wudi breeding stations.

horses of ferghana valley, north of ancient bactria in central asia. han china called the place dayuan. ferghana horses would prove more than a match for the smaller, stocky, short-legged xiongnu horses.

 

[cunnosieur]

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Tell me how can Spore import some China Xinjiang mei meis to boost our birth rates....