The Rape of Nanjing

[GoFlyKiteNow]

The Rape of Nanjing - 73rd anniversary
The Associated Press, Nanjing, China | Tue, 12/14/2010 9:51 AM | World

The Rape of Nanjing: In this Monday photo, pigeons are released during a ceremony marking the 73rd anniversary of the Nanjing Massacre by Japanese troops at the memorial hall of Nanjing massacre, in Nanjing, in east China's Jiangsu Province. Nanjing suffered a rampage of murder, rape and looting by Japanese troops in 1937 that became known as "The Rape of Nanjing," using the name which the city was then known in the West.

The Japanese army slaughtered at least 300,000 civilians and raped tens of thousands of women.


Japan, China still at odds over 'Rape of Nanking'
Mari Yamaguchi, The Associated Press, Tokyo, Japan

Japan acknowledged its wartime military caused tremendous damage to China in the "Rape of Nanking" massacre, but the two sides failed again to agree on the death toll, a joint study obtained Monday said.

The massacre was one of the worst incidents during Japan's invasion of China in the first half of the 20th century, with Beijing claiming as many as 300,000 people died, but Tokyo saying the toll was far less.

Japan invaded or colonized large parts of Asia in the first half of the 20th century. Many Chinese believe that Japan hasn't shown sufficient remorse for atrocities committed, a sense of resentment that haflared repeatedly after attempts by conservative Japanese lawmakers to defend their country's wartime actions.

Japanese ultraconservatives typically claim the death toll in the Rape of Nanking massacre was grossly inflated.
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[Dreamer1]

Two Asian wise men comments on rape of NANKING

MM LKY-Japan should follow the example of Germany,apologise sincerely,and then move on

Dr MadHati-Why Japan keep saying sorry,they have repeated so many times,no need to say anymore.

 

[Froggy]

Two Asian wise men comments on rape of NANKING

MM LKY-Japan should follow the example of Germany,apologise sincerely,and then move on

Dr MadHati-Why Japan keep saying sorry,they have repeated so many times,no need to say anymore.

I think there is enough apologies.

Why not look into the more than 30,000,000 Chinese deaths during Mao Zedong's Great Leap Forward? Its really sickening that Chinese kept using the Rape of Nanking to fuck Japan. Since then I am sure Japan had done a lot for the Chinese people and economy.

I have a few pretty well to do colleagues in Shanghai and they too love to join in anti-Japan protests to show they love China. I've asked them before why do they only choose Japanese brands of appliances or electronic equipment for their homes, Sony and Nikon are their favorite. I've also persuaded them that during such protests they should demonstrate their patriotism by hurling these Japanese equipment out of their windows. They really hate me.

 

[IceLemonT]

I have a few pretty well to do colleagues in Shanghai and they too love to join in anti-Japan protests to show they love China. I've asked them before why do they only choose Japanese brands of appliances or electronic equipment for their homes, Sony and Nikon are their favorite. I've also persuaded them that during such protests they should demonstrate their patriotism by hurling these Japanese equipment out of their windows. They really hate me.

I told that to my PRC colleagues and they hate me too LOL.

They always say "Your body flow with Chinese blood & why you betray us?"
And my reply to them "FYI, since the mongolians raped you all, no more pure chinese liao "
Almost got myself killed on that statement.

 

[KennyMGM]

I think there is enough apologies.

Why not look into the more than 30,000,000 Chinese deaths during Mao Zedong's Great Leap Forward? Its really sickening that Chinese kept using the Rape of Nanking to fuck Japan. Since then I am sure Japan had done a lot for the Chinese people and economy.

I have a few pretty well to do colleagues in Shanghai and they too love to join in anti-Japan protests to show they love China. I've asked them before why do they only choose Japanese brands of appliances or electronic equipment for their homes, Sony and Nikon are their favorite. I've also persuaded them that during such protests they should demonstrate their patriotism by hurling these Japanese equipment out of their windows. They really hate me.

During Mao's time and cultural revolution more than 30 million perished. Some say the figure was 100 million. They should curse Mao first and foremost.

 

[pallkia]

I would like to remind everybody that no one in this World can say "enough of sorry or forgive" the Japs on behalf of those killed!

 

[IceLemonT]

I would like to remind everybody that no one in this World can say "enough of sorry or forgive" the Japs on behalf of those killed!

Hmm, its like asking the children/relatives of a murderer to apologize every year for decades and decades.

Think.

 

[KNNBCCB]

I would like to remind everybody that no one in this World can say "enough of sorry or forgive" the Japs on behalf of those killed!

My humble request, let me be the first to say "Enough of sorry or forgive". Everyone knows "Sorry No Cure" .:p

 

[wahlaneh]

wahlaneh...
how come wikileaks never leak this part of darkness in history of mankind?

 

[IceLemonT]

wahlaneh...
how come wikileaks never leak this part of darkness in history of mankind?

The Dead Don't Talk



scary leh? :p

 

[KNNBCCB]

wahlaneh...
how come wikileaks never leak this part of darkness in history of mankind?

becos no cable at that time.
only got pigeons.

 

[Sideswipe]

Japan, China still at odds over 'Rape of Nanking

The massacre was one of the worst incidents during Japan's invasion of China in the first half of the 20th century, with Beijing claiming as many as 300,000 people died, but Tokyo saying the toll was far less.

Japan invaded or colonized large parts of Asia in the first half of the 20th century. Many Chinese believe that Japan hasn't shown sufficient remorse for atrocities committed, a sense of resentment that haflared repeatedly after attempts by conservative Japanese lawmakers to defend their country's wartime actions.

Japanese ultraconservatives typically claim the death toll in the Rape of Nanking massacre was grossly inflated.

China claims of 300K massacred civilians and soldiers was correct. Red Cross statistics + full set of evidences recorded by foreigners eyewitness ( John Rabe and Martha Lund Smalley ) put the number of deaths at 250K-300K. Most Japanese records suggested 50K. Some claimed the Massacre never happened. Maybe some also said it was an honest mistake! Japan govt should control their academics and historians to stop whitewashing their wartime atrocities.

Japanese also conveniently forgot about Nationalist China goodwill after their surrender. Chinese Nationalist government dispatched 2 million Japanese occupation forces ( soldiers, administrators and families ) back to Japan within a year, the costs paid fully by Chinese govt. Soviet Russia, their wartime "friend" until Aug 1945 sent 1 million Kwantung Army into hard coolie labor in Siberia which less than half survived and returned to Japan many years later.

 

[Dreamer1]

China claims of 300K massacred civilians and soldiers was correct. Red Cross statistics + full set of evidences recorded by foreigners eyewitness ( John Rabe and Martha Lund Smalley ) put the number of deaths at 250K-300K. Most Japanese records suggested 50K. Some claimed the Massacre never happened. Maybe some also said it was an honest mistake! Japan govt should control their academics and historians to stop whitewashing their wartime atrocities.

Japanese also conveniently forgot about Nationalist China goodwill after their surrender. Chinese Nationalist government dispatched 2 million Japanese occupation forces ( soldiers, administrators and families ) back to Japan within a year, the costs paid fully by Chinese govt. Soviet Russia, their wartime "friend" until Aug 1945 sent 1 million Kwantung Army into hard coolie labor in Siberia which less than half survived and returned to Japan many years later.

It is a fact that late Generalism Chiang Kai-shek saw Chairman Mao as as a bigger enemy than brutal Japanese.

His late son was a good politician to decide that biz opportunites offerd by PRC was a better alternative than to continuoe to hate them.

 

[GoFlyKiteNow]

It is a fact that late Generalism Chiang Kai-shek saw Chairman Mao as as a bigger enemy than brutal Japanese.

His late son was a good politician to decide that biz opportunites offerd by PRC was a better alternative than to continuoe to hate them.

Chiang Kai-shek and his son and successor, the late president Chiang Ching-kuo.

Together the Chiangs ruled Taiwan for four decades - most of the time under brutal martial law. Chiang the elder ruled after the KMT's Republic of China got control of Taiwan's islands at the end of World War II. In 1949, after the KMT lost to Mao Zedong's communists in a civil war on mainland China, Chiang fled to Taiwan and held it as the last bastion of his regime.

When Chiang Kai-shek died in 1975, he was succeeded by Chiang Ching-kuo. The younger Chiang was, by all accounts, a more efficient and more brutal leader, having learned government at the knee of Joseph Stalin. Chiang Ching-kuo died in 1988.

President-elect Ma Ying-jeou, not coincidentally, began his political career as Chiang Ching-kuo's English translator and secretary. He was promoted by Chiang Ching-kuo to become the youngest cabinet member in the history of Taiwan.

That would explain, in part, Ma's kowtowing to the Chiangs on Tomb Sweeping Day. And this just one week after his appearance at another Chiang landmark - the Taipei shrine formerly known as Chiang Kai-shek Memorial Hall. Although Chiang Kai-shek's mausoleum (where Ma spent Tomb Sweeping Day) is actually outside of Taipei, it is the towering temple-like memorial hall in downtown Taipei that is truly Taiwan's answer to Vladimir Lenin's tomb in Moscow or Mao Zedong's mausoleum in Beijing. The memorial hall is set like a glistening jewel in a palatial public plaza that is Taiwan's version of Red Square in Moscow or Tiananmen Square in Beijing.

In the main hall of the shrine sits a giant, bronze statue of Chiang Kai-shek, looking for all the world like a Ming Dynasty god-emperor. It is one of the largest bronze statues in the world, on a scale with the giant statues of Lenin in Moscow and Mao in Beijing.

 

[Sideswipe]

it is a fact that late generalism chiang kai-shek saw chairman mao as as a bigger enemy than brutal japanese.

日本是皮肤病, 共产党是心脏病.

 

[Dreamer1]

Chiang Kai-shek and his son and successor, the late president Chiang Ching-kuo.

Together the Chiangs ruled Taiwan for four decades - most of the time under brutal martial law. Chiang the elder ruled after the KMT's Republic of China got control of Taiwan's islands at the end of World War II. In 1949, after the KMT lost to Mao Zedong's communists in a civil war on mainland China, Chiang fled to Taiwan and held it as the last bastion of his regime.

When Chiang Kai-shek died in 1975, he was succeeded by Chiang Ching-kuo. The younger Chiang was, by all accounts, a more efficient and more brutal leader, having learned government at the knee of Joseph Stalin. Chiang Ching-kuo died in 1988.

President-elect Ma Ying-jeou, not coincidentally, began his political career as Chiang Ching-kuo's English translator and secretary. He was promoted by Chiang Ching-kuo to become the youngest cabinet member in the history of Taiwan.

That would explain, in part, Ma's kowtowing to the Chiangs on Tomb Sweeping Day. And this just one week after his appearance at another Chiang landmark - the Taipei shrine formerly known as Chiang Kai-shek Memorial Hall. Although Chiang Kai-shek's mausoleum (where Ma spent Tomb Sweeping Day) is actually outside of Taipei, it is the towering temple-like memorial hall in downtown Taipei that is truly Taiwan's answer to Vladimir Lenin's tomb in Moscow or Mao Zedong's mausoleum in Beijing. The memorial hall is set like a glistening jewel in a palatial public plaza that is Taiwan's version of Red Square in Moscow or Tiananmen Square in Beijing.

In the main hall of the shrine sits a giant, bronze statue of Chiang Kai-shek, looking for all the world like a Ming Dynasty god-emperor. It is one of the largest bronze statues in the world, on a scale with the giant statues of Lenin in Moscow and Mao in Beijing.

Do not forget that Generalism Chiang Kai-shek was a mentor to our MM LKY who was a very good friend of late Chiang Ching-kuo.

One good lesson LKY clearly learn fr the Chiangs was

"as a dictator,you should never make martyr of yr dissidents."
A very useful lesson which he offered to the murderous Generals if Myanmar,regarding Ms Aung San Su Ki.

Too bad the murderous Generals have zero I.Q.,until MM LKY was forced to give up on them.

What was his solution?laws,of which he is a master,double first fr Cambridge plus another double first with distinction.

Only Bill Clinton family has such compariable power in the whole world.

On the other hand,President Ma Ying-jeou,is a different animal,I wish he can be succsessful which could change the fate of the Chinese.

 

[drifter]

Mao killed many Chinese .. Yet the PRC think Mao is hero ... What a joke .

 

[moolightaffairs]

sorry guys, this is a bit out of topic.

during japanese occupation in sg, there are taiwanese and korean japanese troops in sg. this is according to my father who survived the occupation. those taiwanese and korean wear japanese troops uniform and performed duty in sg.

towards the end of occupation, they even use the military issue items and canned food to exchange fresh food with local farmers. some even worked for local farmers to get fresh food. for koreans they communicate by writing Chinese words. language cannot understand, but surprisingly they know how to write Chinese words. they used to work in my grandfather's farm for food.

just something to share.

 

[exSINgaporean]

I think there is enough apologies.

Why not look into the more than 30,000,000 Chinese deaths during Mao Zedong's Great Leap Forward? Its really sickening that Chinese kept using the Rape of Nanking to fuck Japan. Since then I am sure Japan had done a lot for the Chinese people and economy.

I have a few pretty well to do colleagues in Shanghai and they too love to join in anti-Japan protests to show they love China. I've asked them before why do they only choose Japanese brands of appliances or electronic equipment for their homes, Sony and Nikon are their favorite. I've also persuaded them that during such protests they should demonstrate their patriotism by hurling these Japanese equipment out of their windows. They really hate me.

The Chinese peasants suffered but the Chinese communists have the Japs to thank for weakening the Nationalist army. After World War 2, they re-org quickly and later overthrew the Nationalists and the Americans.

In fact all the S.E. Asian and now ASEAN countries have the Japs to thank. Without them conquering these countries, many if not all are still under the white men rules.

The Japs did indeed liberated the Asians and they proved it as the first Asian nation to defend a white men army when they defeated the Russians during the early 1900s.

My dad, told me that even the Japs are cruel in the beginning but after they settled in, they were very fair to the locals as they punished the locals and their own soldiers the same way when anyone committed an offence like stealing or robberies.

During the Jap. occupation, my dad told me they did not even need to close their doors to sleep as there wer no robberies and thieves. It was very peaceful.

They were allowed to open all sorts of businesses expect arms, drugs and robbery.........the rest like strip clubs, gambling, were OK.

Also the Japs never tried to change the local culture....the Chinese still spoke their dielects (now Singapore PAP do away with dialects) and they thought the locals lots of things like: making things out of rubber, plant food to survive, first-aid etc.

They are quite fair at giving food ration to those who worked for them as volunteer fire fighters, guards etc.

My dad was a trainee dentist under a Jap before he returned to Japan and then came back to Singapore as one of the high ranking army officer to occupy it. He put up notice in the Chinese newspaper many times to seek for my dad. When my dad responded to his newpaper notice, he was shocked to see his former Jap boss was such a big gun.

Then he persuaded my dad to work for him to service the Jap soldiers who had lots of dental problem because of the hot weather in Singapore compare to Japan. The military dental clinic also treated local civilians.

His Jap boss was so good to him that when my dad married my mother, the boss provided his own army vehicle together with a Jap army driver to drive them.

Also, his boss told him that when the foot soldiers first entered a country they were made up by lots of conscripts from Korea and Taiwan and they lack the discipline of the Japs. Thus lots of lottings and rapes were also committed by the former and it was very hard to stop them as they took it as part of their reward.

I know of a Tawainese age 65, now residing in Edmonton, Alberta, Canada. He testify that his dad did served in the Japanese army during WW2. His dad was posted to Indonesia. He gave me the same view. His dad told him that the Japs were very good to them in the army. They fought along side like brothers and protect them even though they are not Japs. He also said, the Jap officiers were normally the first to to charge and not just stay behind to give commands. The soldiers had very much respect for their officiers.

Also he said his dad told him, the Jap soldiers were basically a group of fun loving guys and they like to dance and sing. This is the same picture I fot from my dad.

The British and Americians might not kill like the Japs but then they were just as cruel as they controlled all the wealth and resources. However if you look at Vietnam and how the Americians wasted no time to use chemical orange on the north Vietnamese, we know they are not angels either.

 

[Sideswipe]

In fact all the S.E. Asian and now ASEAN countries have the Japs to thank. Without them conquering these countries, many if not all are still under the white men rules.

The end of Colonization in Asia were the results of WW2, not the purpose of Japan invasion.

If use same logic then Chinese should go to Yasukuni Shrine, pray and thanks those heroes every year because their beloved Chinese Communist Party ascension to power was a result of Japan's invasion too.