The Quran and Hadith teach about expanding Islam using violence

[Likemeat]

Al-Tabari -Volume 8, Page 38
Muhammad had boys of Jewish tribe of Banu Qurayza beheaded. The Messenger of Allah commanded that all of the Jewish men and boys who had reached puberty should be beheaded. Then the Prophet (LOOTING) divided the wealth, wives, and children of the Banu Qurayza Jews among the Muslims.

Huh? Whos al-tabari?

 

[duluxe]

Huh? Whos al-tabari?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Tabari

Ayah, send your grand children to full day madrasah, they will learn more and be distant from kaafir kids.

 

[Likemeat]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Tabari

Ayah, send your grand children to full day madrasah, they will learn more and be distant from kaafir kids.

Sorry. Hes your ah neh. I dont know this guy. Only authentic hadith

 

[Loofydralb]

My earlier assertion remains. He is just a historian. He did not live during the prophet's time. So he must have heard these stories. But I have not heard where he got his sources. Nor are there strong corroborative evidence.

 

[duluxe]

This is a better translation of 3:151
"We will cast horror into the hearts of the disbelievers for associating ˹false gods˺ with Allah—a practice He has never authorized. The Fire will be their home—what an evil place for the wrongdoers to stay!"

Nothing wrong with casting horror upon disbelievers, pagans and polytheists.
When we present to christians how their lie of worshipping 3 gods, christians get horrified we exposed their polytheistic beliefs.
When we remind unbelievers and KAFIRS they will end up in eternal fire, they're horrified.
This verse is absolutely correct.

This verse is has zero peacefulness but violence, why you said it ok. That means islam is not a tolerant religion and islamophia is caused by islam itself.


Ibn Kathir:
Allah next (v.151) conveys the good news that He will put fear of the Muslims, and feelings of subordination to the Muslims in the hearts of their disbelieving enemies, because of their Kufr and Shirk. And Allah has prepared torment and punishment for them in the Hereafter.

 

[Loofydralb]

This verse is has zero peacefulness but violence, why you said it ok. That means islam is not a tolerant religion and islamophia is caused by islam itself.


Ibn Kathir:
Allah next (v.151) conveys the good news that He will put fear of the Muslims, and feelings of subordination to the Muslims in the hearts of their disbelieving enemies, because of their Kufr and Shirk. And Allah has prepared torment and punishment for them in the Hereafter.

Because Islam is not a hypocritical religion like Christianity that says to turn the other cheek but no one bothers to follow.

There is time for peace and if the enemy doesn't want peace, then wars in defence is allowed.

 

[duluxe]

Quran (4:74) - "Let those fight in the way of Allah who sell the life of this world for the other. Whoso fighteth in the way of Allah, be he slain or be he victorious, on him We shall bestow a vast reward." The martyrs of Islam are unlike the early Christians, who were led meekly to the slaughter. These Muslims are killed in battle as they attempt to inflict death and destruction for the cause of Allah. This is the theological basis for today's suicide bombers.

@Loofydralb Would you be able to request to bestow the reward as martyrs? So what are the 'vast' reward a martyr will get? What is considered the cause of allah (or in actual sense the caliph)?

 

[Loofydralb]

Quran (4:74) - "Let those fight in the way of Allah who sell the life of this world for the other. Whoso fighteth in the way of Allah, be he slain or be he victorious, on him We shall bestow a vast reward." The martyrs of Islam are unlike the early Christians, who were led meekly to the slaughter. These Muslims are killed in battle as they attempt to inflict death and destruction for the cause of Allah. This is the theological basis for today's suicide bombers.

@Loofydralb Would you be able to request to bestow the reward as martyrs? So what are the 'vast' reward a martyr will get? What is considered the cause of allah (or in actual sense the caliph)?

Here is a better translation of 4:74
"Let those who would sacrifice this life for the Hereafter fight in the cause of Allah. And whoever fights in Allah’s cause—whether they achieve martyrdom or victory—We will honour them with a great reward."

What's your beef on this verse?
It's absolutely correct. The epitome of faith is to fight against the enemies of Islam who are trying to subjugate your religion! And if the enemies of Islam want peace, were obliged to reciprocate. Islam also tells you to stop short of wanting to kill yourself. You may not appreciate the nuance but that is another long explanation.

This is Unlike christians who say Jesus is god but aren't ready to defend it with their lives. Hypocrisy!

 

[duluxe]

Here is a better translation of 4:74
"Let those who would sacrifice this life for the Hereafter fight in the cause of Allah. And whoever fights in Allah’s cause—whether they achieve martyrdom or victory—We will honour them with a great reward."

What's your beef on this verse?
It's absolutely correct. The epitome of faith is to fight against the enemies of Islam who are trying to subjugate your religion! And if the enemies of Islam want peace, were obliged to reciprocate. Islam also tells you to stop short of wanting to kill yourself. You may not appreciate the nuance but that is another long explanation.

This is Unlike christians who say Jesus is god but aren't ready to defend it with their lives. Hypocrisy!

All non-believers are enemies of islam?

 

[Loofydralb]

All non-believers are enemies of islam?

Read my posts again.

No. Those who do not want peace, is.

 

[duluxe]

Read my posts again.

No. Those who do not want peace, is.

Verse 4:74 promoting martyrdom.

 

[Loofydralb]

Verse 4:74 promoting martyrdom.

Anyone who believes in a religion and afterlife but is afraid to die defending it, is a hypocrite.
Simple isn't it?

 

[duluxe]

Quran (4:76) - "Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah, and those who disbelieve, fight in the cause of Taghut (Satan, etc.). So fight you against the friends of Shaitan (Satan)"

Quran (4:89) - "They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks."

@Loofydralb apostates are to be killed?

 

[duluxe]

Anyone who believes in a religion and afterlife but is afraid to die for it, is a hypocrite.
Simple isn't it?

You are at least BMT trained, why you don't volunteer yourself as a freedom fighter and step your feet in middle-east?

 

[syed putra]

As I type now, moslems are launching pogroms to kill Jews in Russia.

If you moslems did some thinking on 6 Oct 2023, this war wouldn't have started. Islam wants to start fights, then don't cry when islam gets punched in the face.

Cannot be. Muslims in former Soviet States eat pork.

 

[Loofydralb]

B

You are at least BMT trained, why you don't volunteer yourself as a freedom fighter and step your feet in middle-east?

Because stupid like you cannot tell that it is a political conflict not a religious one.

Your boobytraps aren't working. Tell yr handlers, try harder.

 

[JohnTan]

Cannot be. Muslims in former Soviet States eat pork.

Less terrorists from such moslems.

 

[Loofydralb]

Quran (4:76) - "Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah, and those who disbelieve, fight in the cause of Taghut (Satan, etc.). So fight you against the friends of Shaitan (Satan)"

Fight in the cause of Allah can mean many things. One of which is to spread the religion.
Physical fighting is only allowed against those who fight Muslims.

Quran (4:89) - "They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks."

@Loofydralb apostates are to be killed?

Please continue with the next verse. It tells you which apostates are to be fought with. Not all apostates can be killed.

 

[duluxe]

B
Because stupid like you cannot tell that it is a political conflict not a religious one.

Your boobytraps aren't working. Tell yr handlers, try harder.

Believers and non-believers in this forum think it is a religious one. Muslim countries, religion and politics are not separated.

Who are my handlers?

 

[duluxe]

Fight in the cause of Allah can mean many things. One of which is to spread the religion.
Physical fighting is only allowed against those who fight Muslims.



Please continue with the next verse. It tells you which apostates are to be fought with. Not all apostates can be killed.

Quran (4:95) :
"Not equal are those of the believers who sit (at home), except those who are disabled (by injury or are blind or lame, etc.), and those who strive hard and fight in the Cause of Allah with their wealth and their lives. Allah has preferred in grades those who strive hard and fight with their wealth and their lives above those who sit (at home).Unto each, Allah has promised good (Paradise), but Allah has preferred those who strive hard and fight, above those who sit (at home) by a huge reward "

Moderate muslims who do not join in the violence (duduk rumah dan forum sammboy), they are less worthy and less preferred by Allah?