The Pink Trojan Horse (sorry, someone has to be the wet blanket)

[Narong Wongwan]

If you are a true opposition supporter, you will not be supporting such causes. This is because you are making the 6 WP MPs and 2 WP NCMPS in Parliament, who between them are paid no less than $1,212, 696* of taxpayers' money per year, not including other present and future perks and benefits, look like fucking hopeless, useless and cowardly fools.

When asked about the WP's silence on the budget when other parties had spoken up, WP Chairman, Sylvia Lim's, declared to Lianhe Zaobao on 06 May 2012:

“But we are in Parliament, they are not. We will make use of the platform we have.”

Let 6 + 2 WP MPs and NCMPS use the "platform" they have in Parliament to do their job and fearlessly raise such issues. Stop sabotaging them by holding and supporting all these protests and making these WP MPs and NCMPS look like fucking hopeless and useless fools. You and the rest of the opposition supporters are doing the WP a huge disservice.

*($16,041 x 6 WP MPs per month) + ($2,406 x 2 WP NCMPs per month) 15% of $16,041 }x 12 months

$1, 154, 952 + $57, 744 = $1,212,696

$1.2million not even enough to pay for ONE useless MAYOR....yet another jiakliaobee post created by pappies for their underlings to leech from us

 

[Lionheart]

$1.2million not even enough to pay for ONE useless MAYOR....yet another jiakliaobee post created by pappies for their underlings to leech from us

you and your vulval mouth
even your anal turns vulval liao

 

[scroobal]

This mayor thing makes my blood boil. The useless Dr Teo used a senior civil servant to write his press release and had no brains to even edit it or copy to his own file. Happily released to the world. And we pay this moron that much.

$1.2million not even enough to pay for ONE useless MAYOR....yet another jiakliaobee post created by pappies for their underlings to leech from us

 

[rushifa666]

I'd rather burn that amount to old fuck. Any day now

 

[PTADER]

$1.2million not even enough to pay for ONE useless MAYOR....

I made a mistake. It's not $1,212,696. It's $1, 405, 188 /year for the WP MPs/NCMPs.

In five years, all these Workers Party MPs will join their fellow PAP MP colleagues to become fellow millionaires. One in particular, Low Thia Khiang, has already joined his fellow PAP MPs as a fellow millionaire more than 15 years ago just from him being paid the exorbitant MP monthly allowances. That's excluding the other perks and privileges he enjoys and will enjoy. Class "A" wards in hospitals, pension for the rest of his life after he retires, etc.

In the meanwhile, Singaporeans continue to lose their jobs, the country continues to become crowded, our old folks continue to collect cardboards boxes and empty drink cans from the bins in the streets, etc.

The ordinary men in the street, online voices, those unpaid bloggers will be left to be the voices of the people and not these fucking hopeless and useless millionaire WP MPs with their snouts in the PAP money trough.

Is this what you want of your "opposition"?

....yet another jiakliaobee post created by pappies for their underlings to leech from us

The least you can do is credit me for doing the work I am paid for. Can you say that of the WP MPs /NCMPs?

 

[PTADER]

Yesterday at Hong Lim, I heard one of the best speeches ever made by an individual in the last few decades against the PAP and its abuse of power. It was by Vincent Wijeysingha, it was 16 minutes long and every second was meaningful and powerful. It covered the issues well and it had only one agenda. That agenda covered the people of Singapore.

Here is the link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WvF7Yo_Mx1g

The problem with the likes of these losers is that they take the extra-parliamentary route to voice their grievances simply because they are unable to win elections and hence, lack that platform in Parliament to do so.

They should leave it to the Workers Party to raise whatever grouses they have or want in Parliament. I have no doubts that these well-paid and courageous WP MPs will fearlessly articulate whatever is wrong in Singapore society in Parliament.

 

[blindswordsman]

......In the meanwhile, Singaporeans continue to lose their jobs, the country continues to become crowded, our old folks continue to collect cardboards boxes and empty drink cans from the bins in the streets, etc.

The ordinary men in the street, online voices, those unpaid bloggers will be left to be the voices of the people and not these fucking hopeless and useless millionaire WP MPs with their snouts in the PAP money trough....Is this what you want of your "opposition"?

All MPs are paid such remuneration and given such perks because the pappies said so. If pappies slashed the allowances and perks for all MPs, it would be interesting to see how many MIW would still stay around with the pappies. One female pappies MP is on record of saying she might pack off if she did not get what she expected.

Less than 10 voices of WP in Parliament against a horde of more than 80 pappies voices. How do you expect LTK to go against pappies? Put more WP or other oppo parties guys into Parliament and you will see the real fireworks.

If sinkies deem MPs are overpaid and pampered, tell pappies to slash their allowances to below $5,000 per month and withdraw all perks. Save the taxpayers' money and you will know who serves for the people and who serves for the money.

 

[blindswordsman]

...They should leave it to the Workers Party to raise whatever grouses they have or want in Parliament. I have no doubts that these well-paid and courageous WP MPs will fearlessly articulate whatever is wrong in Singapore society in Parliament.

Once upon a time, Parliamentary debate was live telecast in SG. Suddenly, it was withdrawn after some pappies MP were seen napping. Bring back the live telecast and let the sinkies see how the WP and other oppo parties perform in Parliament. Depending on shit times to bring the news? You might as well listen to the ah peks talking cock at the void decks.

 

[blindswordsman]

....It's when they start to claim that such acts are "normal" and fight stridently for such acts to be seen as "normal" which will later progress to them fighting for their right to marry, adopt children and be parents, etc that needs to be settled.

Traditional family values must not be eroded in our society. Respect for parents, raising families, bringing up morally upright children, etc are important values. These values keep the families together and the country strong. In UK, same sex marriage is allowed. Where is family value in such a marriage? Sex is not everything in life.

Sex is for procreation of human species but some twisted wicked minds see sex as something else. Even animals do not practise homosexuality.

 

[PTADER]

Less than 10 voices of WP in Parliament against a horde of more than 80 pappies voices. How do you expect LTK to go against pappies? Put more WP or other oppo parties guys into Parliament and you will see the real fireworks.

If there's one thing I credit the WP with is the WP, its members in online forums and the WP crowd excelling in giving first class excuses befitting their status as a First World Opposition.

First, it was only one MP. So can't say or do anything except collect monthly MP allowances, sell party papers and attend funerals.

Next, it was only one MP and one NCMP. Also can't do anything except collect the monthly MP's allowances, sell party papers and attend funerals.

Now, it is 7MPs + 2 NCMPS, also can't do anything except sell party papers, attend funerals and collect the monthly MP's allowances.

Why bother to have these useless WP MPs in Parliament when one one young, tiny, scrawny, bespectacled girl (Han Hui Hui) has bigger balls then all these incompetent, useless and cowardly WP MPs put together?

All MPs are paid such remuneration and given such perks because the pappies said so. If pappies slashed the allowances and perks for all MPs, it would be interesting to see how many MIW would still stay around with the pappies. One female pappies MP is on record of saying she might pack off if she did not get what she expected.
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If sinkies deem MPs are overpaid and pampered, tell pappies to slash their allowances to below $5,000 per month and withdraw all perks. Save the taxpayers' money and you will know who serves for the people and who serves for the money.

Will the WP MPs stay on and become "full time" career MPs if the MP allowance is not exorbitant? Don't hold your breath and don't put these WP MPs on a pedestal that they don't deserve. 5 months into the job and Steve Chia was already clamouring to be paid 100% of an MP allowance instead of the 15% honorarium.

http://www.parliament.gov.sg/reports...0002_T0006.htm

2002 Budget Debate: Parliament -- NCMP honorarium
Wed, May 15, 2002

Mr Steve Chia Kiah Hong: Thank you, Sir. Thank you, Mr Chiam, for speaking up for me

Sir, the Senior Minister had once said, "If you pay peanuts, you will get monkeys." I agree with the Senior Minister on this matter. Last month, the House had a passionate debate on NMPs and voted strongly to have them in this House. It had been said that NMPs were very good and had contributed a lot of good debate to this House. I was not here then, but I do not deny that they contributed a lot. I think NMPs had helped to liven up debates in the past, but I went to argue that there was no need for them in this session of this House, because the PAP Government was freeing up its MPs for more debates and disagreements, and this would help solve the cynicism and scepticism in youths. It was not listened to and I was out-voted.

Now that we are going to get NMPs in this House, I would want to speak up for them too. I think we should give them their due recognition. The honorarium of an NMP is at 15% of an elected MP's allowance. This is too little. Like all MPs, they have the duty to speak up and engage in good debates. We should therefore recognise their contribution and pay them an NMP allowance equivalent to 40% or more of the elected MP's allowance, instead of a small honorarium of just 15%.

As for the NCMP's honorarium, Sir, I would like to declare my personal direct interest in this matter. An NCMP is not quite, but is close to a political appointment. We know that when the PAP Government wins all the seats, there will be at least three such NCMP appointments.

Our role, as NCMPs, is as heavy as an elected MP. We are not only expected to be robust and vigorous in speaking up in Parliament and contributing to good debates. We are also contributing to nation building by giving the perspective of the non-PAP voters which number about 10-30%, depending on which election. This is important for the Government that takes pride in caring for all its people. On top of speaking in Parliament, the Non-Constituency Member of Parliament has to cover as many electoral constituencies as possible and get the feeling and understanding of the citizens, especially of those who are not supportive of Government policies. We have to understand their grievances and raise them in Parliament. Like all the elected MPs, constituency work is to build rapport and support with the electorate for the next election. This is the same duty as any of the elected MPs. Therefore, I hope the Prime Minister will agree with my above reasoning and look into reinstating the NCMP allowance to be on par with all the elected MPs, as it was first crafted. My next cut is on legislative and secretarial assistance for NMP and NCMP. Sir, I would like to state my direct interest in this matter again. Like all MPs, NMPs and NCMPs are invited into Parliament to represent a different viewpoint from the PAP Government. They are expected to speak up with sound advice, research and argument, to raise issues and discuss policies and contribute to parliamentary debate. Therefore, will the Prime Minister also agree with me that it is necessary for NMPs and NCMPs to be given legislative and secretarial allowance to employ help? Does the House not want to hear more contributions and more in-depth debates from these NMPs and NCMPs?

Steve Chia

 

[PTADER]

Traditional family values must not be eroded in our society. Respect for parents, raising families, bringing up morally upright children, etc are important values. These values keep the families together and the country strong. In UK, same sex marriage is allowed. Where is family value in such a marriage? Sex is not everything in life.

Sex is for procreation of human species but some twisted wicked minds see sex as something else. Even animals do not practise homosexuality.

Fully agree with you except for the animal part. Animals do practice screwing their own sex. The problem is gays use this as one of their sorry excuses, i.e. animals do it so it is "normal" and hence we too should be allowed to do it. They forget they are not animals but human beings with that capacity to discern right from wrong.

 

[3_M]

If there's one thing I credit the WP with is the WP, its members in online forums and the WP crowd excelling in giving first class excuses befitting their status as a First World Opposition.

First, it was only one MP. So can't say or do anything except collect monthly MP allowances, sell party papers and attend funerals.

Next, it was only one MP and one NCMP. Also can't do anything except collect the monthly MP's allowances, sell party papers and attend funerals.

Now, it is 7MPs + 2 NCMPS, also can't do anything except sell party papers, attend funerals and collect the monthly MP's allowances.

Why bother to have these useless WP MPs in Parliament when one one young, tiny, scrawny, bespectacled girl (Han Hui Hui) has bigger balls then all these incompetent, useless and cowardly WP MPs put together?

This is an absurd and spurious argument. It like blaming the lone player who scored 7 goals in a one sided ruby match (7-80) instead of faulting other players who didn't perform.

 

[blindswordsman]

Fully agree with you except for the animal part. Animals do practice screwing their own sex. The problem is gays use this as one of their sorry excuses, i.e. animals do it so it is "normal" and hence we too should be allowed to do it. They forget they are not animals but human beings with that capacity to discern right from wrong.

Maybe I am wrong when studying biology in school or the teacher had fed nonsense to the class. Animals mate when the female oozes smell to attract the male. No smell detected, no mating. Male animals do not emit such smell and male do not screw another male but humans do it. So, are humans worse than beasts? Read the story of Sodom and Gomorrah.

 

[Seee3]

Maybe I am wrong when studying biology in school or the teacher had fed nonsense to the class. Animals mate when the female oozes smell to attract the male. No smell detected, no mating. Male animals do not emit such smell and male do not screw another male but humans do it. So, are humans worse than beasts? Read the story of Sodom and Gomorrah.

Maybe you like to watch NGW. They have documentary on male chimps letting others of greater status to screw them, just to appease the aggressive ones.

 

[eatshitndie]

trojan extended pleasure is the best selling condom in the u.s.....:p

http://www.condomusa.com/4editor.asp

 

[Thick Face Black Heart]

I call it the Pink Trojan Horse; gays using issues such as CPF, civil rights, political rights, workers right, economic rights, etc as a vehicle to insert their deviant homosexual acts into the mainstream of "normality" as seen by society. At some point, all these rights that they are courageously fighting for will be conflated with their rights as gays to kiss another man or insert their dicks into another man's anus or mouth.

It will then be payback time for those who support these gays other "innocent" causes and fights. People will either start being sympathetic to the gross act of a man fucking a man or sucking a dick of another man or in the very least, feel obligated to not object to their their deviant sexual acts.

I knew this angle would come out sooner than later. Can't stand the fact that these ragtag bunch of activists are making waves, so attack their sexuality and claim to have hidden agenda. Seriously, can you be more original. American politics is filled with the exact same bullshit (common core being part of gay agenda, and so on), and you want to import this kind of bullshit here.

What's wrong with the same activists championing civil liberties and CPF transparency to also champion for gay rights? Don't tell me your kids are going to start kissing men just because some ragtag bunch of activists like to kiss men. Besides, name me one instance when those activists have conflated the two issues together. Did you see VW and Jolovan put their sexuality on display at the CPF rally? You should know by now that juxtaposition, spurious claims, and loaded statements aren't swallowed wholesale by sammyboy forummers. Maybe if you tried this on the Fabrications About the PAP page they would lap it up like the dogs they are. But not here.

 

[Leongsam]

I knew this angle would come out sooner than later. Can't stand the fact that these ragtag bunch of activists are making waves, so attack their sexuality and claim to have hidden agenda. Seriously, can you be more original. American politics is filled with the exact same bullshit (common core being part of gay agenda, and so on), and you want to import this kind of bullshit here.

I'm the one who introduced this facet to the debate because I do not take kindly to those who use social issues that concern all of us to enhance their profiles while harboring a hidden agenda that will be unleashed on the unsuspecting public when they feel the time is right.

Homosexuality moved into the mainstream precisely because homosexuals jumped on the liberal left bandwagon in the West. This should never have been allowed to happen but by the time respectable and decent members of society realised what was going on, it was too late.

We now end up with situation where kids in primary school are being taught that it is perfectly OK to have 2 daddys or 2 mummies.

 

[scroobal]

By the ways, VW during the labour day Hong Lim protest gave a speech about FTs that did not go down well with the general public and there were a lot of negative comments about what he said. It was not about his support for the FTs, it was his use of similar language and strawman arguments that PAP used. So people can tell when someone leaves the common agenda.

Nobody complained about maids, Bangladeshi cleaners and Indian construction workers who have been in our midst for decades and we know their contribution to Singapore. They do not take away jobs from Singaporeans. Yet VW use them as examples knowing full well where we stand. It was also same speech where he took numerous potshots at Gilbert and once at GMS.

I would not worry, some of us know what is going on. Ever heard of Mao's famous doctrine that speaks to this.

I'm the one who introduced this facet to the debate because I do not take kindly to those who use social issues that concern all of us to enhance their profiles while harboring a hidden agenda that will be unleashed on the unsuspecting public when they feel the time is right.

Homosexuality moved into the mainstream precisely because homosexuals jumped on the liberal left bandwagon in the West. This should never have been allowed to happen but by the time respectable and decent members of society realised what was going on, it was too late.

We now end up with situation where kids in primary school are being taught that it is perfectly OK to have 2 daddys or 2 mummies.

 

[eatshitndie]

We now end up with situation where kids in primary school are being taught that it is perfectly OK to have 2 daddys or 2 mummies.

we now have a situation where ballot measures are proposed for transgender bathrooms because according to sympathetic proponents, transgendered individuals require bathrooms of their own as they don't feel comfortable in either the men's room or the women's room. :*:

huffington post keeps a running tab of all the transgender bathroom controversies going around the country. it's a totally confusing, divisive, and vexing issue that's zapping energy and money away from higher priorities.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/news/transgender-bathrooms/

 

[Thick Face Black Heart]

I'm the one who introduced this facet to the debate because I do not take kindly to those who use social issues that concern all of us to enhance their profiles while harboring a hidden agenda that will be unleashed on the unsuspecting public when they feel the time is right.

Homosexuality moved into the mainstream precisely because homosexuals jumped on the liberal left bandwagon in the West. This should never have been allowed to happen but by the time respectable and decent members of society realised what was going on, it was too late.

We now end up with situation where kids in primary school are being taught that it is perfectly OK to have 2 daddys or 2 mummies.

Firstly, their gay agenda is not hidden. It is in plain sight when all of them attended Pink Dot and when Jo and Vin practically strutted around.

Secondly, there has so far been no conflagration of issues.

Thirdly, the public can always choose to disagree with one agenda but yet support another. People are more discerning and you should start giving the Singaporean public more credit in that regard.

Fourthly, it is we who should be ashamed that more straight men and women are not coming forward to add their voices. The shame is on us, not on the gays and their purported hidden motives.

Fifth, you can choose not to have two mummies or daddies if you don't like it. Nobody is forcing you. And besides such is not going to be allowed in SG anytime soon, so even if you are into that kind of thing you can't do it.