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6 of France starting lineup against Romania are from EPL - Lloris, Sagna, Koscielny, Kante, Payet and Giroud. 1 from French Ligue 1 - Matuidi (PSG). 2 from Juventus Serie A - Evra and Pogba. 2 from La Liga in Spain - Grizemann (A Madrid) and Rami (Sevilla). :biggrin:
7, when Payet was sub by Moussa Sissoko and 2 ex-Man U players.
 

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When will Three Lions ever learn?

Never. They are perennial under achievers who will never win any silverware in my lifetime. Whilst teams like Spain, Italy, Netherlands, Germany, Denmark, France and EVEN Greece have won the tournament, England can only reminisce about the World Cup glory of 1966 (when most of us weren't even alive).

It's embarrassing that the country that invented the game hasn't won anything in 50 years.
 

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Never. They are perennial under achievers who will never win any silverware in my lifetime. Whilst teams like Spain, Italy, Netherlands, Germany, Denmark, France and EVEN Greece have won the tournament, England can only reminisce about the World Cup glory of 1966 (when most of us weren't even alive).

It's embarrassing that the country that invented the game hasn't won anything in 50 years.

Firing blanks. Many misses, many shots on target but directed at Russian keeper. :biggrin:

Pointless to post youtube videos of match highlights because UEFA has been pressuring youtube to delete them on copyright grounds.



 

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By Chris Jones

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At Euro 2016, Croatia might be the smart pick rather than the brave one

PARIS -- At any given moment for the past two decades, somebody, somewhere, has made Croatia their dark-horse pick in a football tournament. They are a side that's always been an outside shot but not a ridiculously long one. They've had enough top-flight talent, now including Luka Modric, Mateo Kovacic and Ivan Rakitic, to warrant serious attention, but not quite enough to to win a place among the giants. They have been regulars at Euro, qualifying in five of their six attempts since the dissolution of Yugoslavia, but they've never advanced beyond the quarterfinals. Since 1996, they have been the consensus brave choice for non-lunatics.

They might finally be one of the smart picks rather than the brave one. William Hill has them as the eighth-most likely team to win. The dark horse is starting to look more like a favorite.

"We have one of the best teams in the history of Croatian football," Darijo Srna, his country's captain, said on Saturday. "If we are focussed, we can beat anyone."

The trouble for the Croatians is, the first anyone they face is Turkey.

Sunday's game at the Parc des Princes has the potential to be one of the great matches of Euro's group stage. In 2008, the two sides met in a memorable quarterfinal. Scoreless after regular time, Ivan Klasnic headed home what appeared to be the sure winner in the 119th minute. But Turkey tied the score three minutes later, just before the final whistle in injury time, and then easily beat the heartsick Croatians in the penalty shootout.

It was one of the first questions Srna faced on Saturday. He was at that game. How much do the memories haunt him, and will this rematch be a game of revenge?

Up to that point, he had said all the predictable veteran things about preparation and mentality. Now he seemed almost rattled. He shook his head. "I don't want to think and talk about a revenge match. It's a painful memory for all of our supporters and players. It was a really painful defeat. The Turkish team has showed that you have to play them to the very last second. They are big fighters."

Croatia's road won't get much easier after. Group D's weakest side is the Czech Republic; its presumed favorite is Spain. For the Croatians to make good on their promise, they almost certainly need a win against the Turks.

"I believe in our team," Srna said. "We just have to take it step by step, and tomorrow is the first step. I hope we can stay in France for as long as possible."

Manager Ante Cacic, next to take the stage, was soon asked whether the match was the biggest of his career. Like Srna's answer about revenge, Cacic deflected the question. "I'm sure our players will do everything they can to achieve a good result. Our team is ready. Our appetites are big."

The conversation meandered for a few minutes after. He said that he had no doubts about his starting lineup and the atmosphere surrounding the Croatians has been perfect. He knows that he has stars in front him; he just hopes that they will come together to form a constellation. He wants his team to press the Turks early and possession will be important.

"You didn't answer the question," a Croatian journalist then said.

Cacic looked at him and allowed a thin smile. "I've managed many big matches," he said. "Of course, this is special. This is Euro. Tomorrow I will listen to the Croatian national anthem. You can imagine how I will feel."

And then Cacic's eyes began to mist behind his glasses. His country has played bigger matches -- Croatia finished third at the World Cup in 1998 -- but this summer in France, the Croatians will play for perhaps the first time as one of the bigger teams. All their weights and measures have changed. Cacic sat under the glare of the lights, quickly swallowing his emotion, but it was still plain on his face. The story of his team was no longer its 20-year march to narrow its odds. Croatia was the lump in his throat.
 

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7, when Payet was sub by Moussa Sissoko and 2 ex-Man U players.

If include the 3 subs - Martial, Sissoko and Coman, there were 8 EPL players out of 15 France players. Coman is also Juventus loaned to Bayern Munich least season.
 

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When will Three Lions ever learn? Leading games by one goal margin and defending it puts any teams in a precarious position of conceding an equalizer in the dying minutes. :biggrin:

Three Lions are booksmart, not streetsmart. Only looks good on paper. :biggrin:
 

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By Iain Macintosh

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Kyle Lafferty and Robert Lewandowski carry nations' hopes on their shoulders

The one setback that Northern Ireland could not have withstood has been averted. Striker Kyle Lafferty, scorer of seven of his nation's 10 goals in qualifying, is fit, in full training and will start against Poland on Sunday.

Lafferty felt pain in his groin during training on Tuesday and missed the session the following day after a scan on the problem. But on Thursday morning, he was back out with his teammates and showing no signs of further complaint. "He gave us a bit of a scare," said defender Gareth McAuley.

Lafferty is his nation's standout striker and this will certainly be a game for strikers. He will be the lone spearhead of Michael O'Neill's team. Poland will go with a pair, the irrepressible Robert Lewandowski of Bayern Munich, scorer of 44 goals in 49 appearances last season, and Ajax's Arkadiusz Milik, who hit 24 goals in last season's Eredivisie. They will be well serviced from the flanks with wingers Kamil Grosicki of Rennes and Jakub Blaszczykowski of Borussia Dortmund.

And yet, for all this firepower, Polish fans are nervous their team has lost its way at the worst possible time. In March, they thrashed Finland in a friendly, hitting five past them in a blistering display of dominance that was all the more surprising because it came without the help of Lewandowski. But their two warm-up games earlier this month proved far less encouraging.

On June 1, Poland lost 2-1 to Netherlands, who failed miserably in their attempts to qualify for this tournament. Their defence, led by the uncompromising Kamil Glik, was stretched and snapped far too easily, most notably by Georginio Wijnaldum who hardly covered himself in glory in his first season in the Premier League with relegated Newcastle United. That slip-up was followed by another, a disappointing 0-0 with Lithuania, albeit with Lewandowski rested.

And of course, there are bitter memories of what happened in the 2012 European Championships. Tipped, on their own territory, as dark horses, they failed to even qualify from the group stage. Two draws with Greece and Russia, and a defeat to the Czech Republic, were a body blow to the confidence of the nation. At all costs, they'll be desperate to avoid a repeat of that.

At least the players are aware of this. Milik gave a colourful interview to UEFA this week to that effect, responding strongly when asked if Poland were favourites for this clash.

"No, no, no," he said. "There is no way we will underestimate our opponents. First of all, Poland have never won a single game at a European finals tournament. We did not win the World Cup two years ago, or the Euro four years ago. We have won nothing yet. Nothing at all! Qualifying for the Euro was pretty cool for all of us, but sometimes you have to aim higher and keep setting new goals. And there can be no disrespect for our opponents."

Disrespecting Northern Ireland would certainly be unwise. They have far surpassed expectations in simply reaching the tournament, their first since 1986. No other team has ever qualified in first place having been fifth seed in the qualification process. They are, with Hungary and Albania, arguably among the weakest sides in the competition. On paper. On grass, however, they are unbeaten since March 2015. It has, admittedly, been a run where the most glamorous teams defeated have been Slovenia and Greece, but it is a run all the same. Slovakia, England's opponents in the group stage, beat Germany last month. But they couldn't beat Northern Ireland when they met last weekend.

But there's no way that Michael O'Neill will consider his mission complete. In a tournament where 16 of 24 teams will progress to the knockout stage, he will know that there is every chance of surprising Europe once again.

No one game can be marked out as winnable. They and Poland are joined in this group by the world champions Germany, and by Ukraine, formidable opposition on their day. Their task could not be much harder. But they have very little to lose. And they have Lafferty.

"I am fully focused on my football and doing well for Northern Ireland," said Lafferty this week before adding the rather confusing assertion that, "the belief I have when I come away with the national team is unbelievable."

It would be nice to see some of that belief in his club game. At 6-foot-4, Lafferty's physical danger is obvious, but he's a very accomplished footballer as well. Marooned in the Norwich reserve side for much of this season, he scored an outrageous goal against Manchester United's development squad in November, an impetuous and deft chip on his first touch from the edge of the area. He should be doing that more often.

No club manager has ever been able to coax him towards his potential. But O'Neill has found a way. And if Lafferty can score against Poland, if Northern Ireland can find a way to neutralise both Lewandowski and Milik, then we could be looking at one of the surprise stories of the tournament.
 

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By Raphael Honigstein

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Toni Kroos is more important to Germany than ever before

To paraphrase Marvin Gaye, T played it cool on Saturday evening.

Toni Kroos always does. He was the one Germany player whose belief never wavered during the World Cup in Brazil, and winning the Champions League with Real Madrid in May will have done nothing to dampen the 26-year-old's faith in himself and his team.

"Of course we'll be the better side tomorrow, in footballing terms," Kroos said at the pre-match conference in Lens, France, as if somebody had just asked him for the time of day. "But if that's not the case, fighting spirit and absolute will power will make the difference. We'll see if we need to up it, mentality-wise."

He didn't seem at all perturbed by that eventuality. "Kroos has always had many, perhaps all skills, as well as a degree of confidence that was close to tipping over to arrogance," Spiegel Online wrote this week, matter of factly.

Four years ago, Kroos' confidence was so pronounced that he publicly agitated for a starting berth in the Euro 2012 semifinal against Italy. Joachim Low relented and changed the balance of his side to accommodate the elegant playmaker, then was nearly hounded out of office after losing the match 2-1.

Kroos, though, simply carried on, playing his own metronomic, unhurried game, getting better at being Kroos one pass at a time. "Kroos-ness" reached a new level at Madrid in 2016-17: He touched the ball 1,137 times in the Champions League and found teammates with 95 percent of his pinpoint passes.

The man from Greifswald in the northeast of Germany, a footballing wasteland that had never previously produced a notable player, also set the tone throughout the World Cup and most of all in the 7-1 semifinal win against Brazil, when he exemplified the Nationalmannschaft's cool-headedness in the face of all the misdirected passion from the hosts.

His discreteness made him the hidden boss of the team then, but the secret is out in the open now that captain Philipp Lahm has retired and his successor Bastian Schweinsteiger is struggling to prove his fitness.

Kroos will play deeper, in an even more central role and, if Germany are to overcome their problems at the back, where the defence is inexperienced, and up front, where Mario Gotze and Mario Gomez have not convinced in recent weeks, it'll be no doubt due to Kroos' excellence in the middle. "He's the hub in Low's Germany; everything goes through him," Abendzeitung wrote.

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A lack of leadership and a lack of big, loud characters who shout at teammates and take down the odd opponent with a cynical tackle were seen as Germany's big problem in the run up to Brazil.

Strangely enough, despite the success enjoyed back then, you sense that there are still a lot of people back home to harbour suspicions about this side and of Kroos in particular. Old habits die hard. "Schweinsteiger and Lahm, they had to listen to that accusation for years but football has changed," Gomez told Tagesspiegel.

On Saturday, Kroos was saying the same and even went further, if you look at his quote again carefully. Mentality, fighting spirit, will power; all these German virtues are important but still secondary, in his view.

First, you need to play your football. And that includes maximising opportunities from dead balls. Germany scored four goals from Kroos corners and free kicks at the World Cup, and one more in the immediate aftermath.

A significant chunk of time in practice has once again been set aside for these Standards, as Germans call them. Low, who used to almost look down upon such mundane measures, changed his ways after discussions with his training staff two years ago.

Ukraine, Poland and Northern Ireland are all expected to defend deep against Germany, which makes the need for a "door-opener," courtesy of a precise cross into the box, all the more pressing. In Jerome Boateng, Benedikt Howedes, Thomas Muller, Sami Khedira and possibly Gomez, Low's current side has enough aerial power to succeed that way.

Kroos' responsibilities won't end there. In addition to dictating play and taking all wide free kicks and corners, the former Bayern Munich player will also help out in defence more than ever before.

There's no expert holding midfielder behind him to do the job in the expected lineup for Sunday; most of the time he'll find himself as the deepest central midfielder behind Mesut Ozil, restored as a No. 10, and the box-to-box runner Khedira.

It's a challenge for Kroos but also a chance to win over traditionalists looking for signs of sweat and blood on his shirt. He can become a complete German midfielder in France, dominating with and without the ball. It's safe to assume that he feels ready to do just that.
 

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Germany vs Ukraine K.O. 3a.m.

A possible upset on the cards? Die Mannschaft have been pretty poor in the run up to this competition.
 

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Germany vs Ukraine K.O. 3a.m.

A possible upset on the cards? Die Mannschaft have been pretty poor in the run up to this competition.

I know for sure that England does well in friendly competitions only to disappoint on the big stage while Germany appears to be the opposite. :biggrin:

Gosh. Look at the ball possession of Germany over their opponent.
 

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I know for sure that England does well in friendly competitions only to disappoint on the big stage while Germany appears to be the opposite. :biggrin:

Gosh. Look at the ball possession of Germany over their opponent.

After watching Germany tonight, you may well have a point.
How on earth is this Hodgson's 4th Euro/WC as manager? Hopefully, it will be his last.

That old war-house Schweinsteiger does it again for Germany in an easy victory.
 
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The Republic of Ireland and Sweden will kick off the proceedings in Group E at Saint-Denis' Stade de France on Monday. With Belgium and Italy favourites to reach Euro 2016's knockout rounds, this contest will be vital for either side to make a surprise push for the round of 16.

Ewan MacKenna (Ireland) and Mattias Karen (Sweden) look ahead to Monday's showdown.
What's at stake here?

Ewan MacKenna: More than should be in an opening game where it's usually tentative, coy and with both sides refusing to gamble on a step forward given the risk of taking two paces back. But the advancement of some third-placed nations ought to change that dynamic, especially given this is a group that contains a pair of perhaps only six teams who can genuinely believe they've a chance to win it all. Thus for Ireland, everything is up for grabs as a victory should see them progress to the round of 16, while a point or less will have them thinking deep down it gets much harder from here -- probably too hard.

Mattias Karen: This game could well decide which of these teams advances to the knockout stage along with Belgium and Italy. Sweden and Ireland are both a size smaller than their two other group opponents, meaning a loss for either in this game would be disastrous. Sweden had a similar situation in 2012 and lost their first game against Ukraine, which set them on their way to early elimination. Coach Erik Hamren must show he has learned from his mistakes to avoid a similar fate this time.
Key battle

MacKenna: Zlatan Ibrahimovic vs. John O'Shea. When a former international remarked in the build-up that his fear was the Swedish star would drift toward the weak link in defence, the obvious question was which one? But despite club form that has seen him relegated to the bench, the Sunderland man at least has experience, although he'll need help from his partner on the edge of the box -- there are murmurs it might be Shane Duffy due to his presence at 6-foot-4 -- and from James McCarthy and Glenn Whelan to cover the space in front. O'Shea won't keep Ibrahimovic quiet, but limiting the noise would be a good platform as there's not a whole lot else facing them that can cause a racket.

Karen: Ibrahimovic squaring up to Roy Keane on the sideline would of course be the ultimate machismo matchup, but perhaps that's too much to hope for. On the pitch, this will be a battle of two ageing strikers: Ibrahimovic vs. Robbie Keane. Both are their country's all-time leading scorer, and their teams' success in France largely depends on whether they can add to those tallies. Based on current form, Ibrahimovic obviously has the edge.
Star man

MacKenna: If the key battle seems negative in a game in which Ireland have every chance, Shane Long is the flip side. He's in the form of his life, his running is a whole lot smarter than in recent seasons, his power is troublesome and his finishing is good. If Wes Hoolahan can turn vision into openings for the Southampton striker, then the opposition have their own headache. After all, while Ireland might be lightweight at the back, that Long likely comes up against a couple of centre-halves playing in Russia and Denmark in Andreas Granqvist and Erik Johansson makes this a very fair fight.

Karen: Ibrahimovic is the easy choice, but I'll go with Andreas Isaksson. The veteran goalkeeper is playing his last international tournament and will have to be at his best in France for the Swedes to go anywhere. Sweden can score goals, the question is whether they can keep them out.
Prediction

MacKenna: And after all that, 1-1. It seems to regularly be the case and while it will leave manager Martin O'Neill talking about the positives of not losing and setting a tone, it will also leave the nation pondering the what ifs and, more importantly, the what now.

Karen: Sweden win 2-1. These are two fairly evenly matched teams, but Ibrahimovic's star power should make the difference.
 

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Belgium vs. Italy: 50-50 Challenge between Group E favourites

Belgium meet Italy on Monday in Group E of Euro 2016. Both sides might be considered as contenders to win the tournament so this game will be vital in pursuit of top spot in the group

John Chapman (Belgium) and Mina Rzouki (Italy) look ahead to this showdown.

What's at stake here?

John Chapman: Marc Wilmots has said that it won't be a disaster if Belgium lose. His argument is that there will still be six points to play for. He's also said he's going for the win but the noises coming out of the training camp refute that statement. The word is that Wilmots will opt for muscle in midfield with Axel Witsel, Radja Nainggolan and Marouane Fellaini. It does look certain to be a fierce battle with both sides fielding their most experienced players and ignoring youth.

Mina Rzouki: For the first time in years, Italians do not believe in this current Azzurri side. For a group bereft of genuine star quality or a forward capable of scoring on a consistent basis, a win against Belgium, the toughest opponent in Group E, would go a long way in restoring faith and garnering excitement from a downbeat set of fans.

Accused of being a defensive side with no attacking ability, head coach Antonio Conte is desperate to prove he has picked the right men and is tactically adept enough to guide his side to victory against a gifted team who beat Italy 3-1 the last time the two sides faced off.

Key battle:

JC: Toby Alderweireld vs. Graziano Pelle

There has been a lot of talk about Toby Alderweireld and Jan Vertonghen. Wilmots wanted to keep them at full-back but poor performances by Jason Denayer has meant Alderweireld will play centrally. In Antonio Conte's favoured 3-5-2 for Italy, the main man looks like being Graziano Pelle, a player Alderweireld will know inside-out from their days together at Southampton.

MR: Antonio Candreva vs. Jan Vertonghen

Italy have already identified Belgium's weakness lies in the full-back position and have made it clear they hope to exploit that particular weakness by playing attacking men in the wide roles.

Jan Vertonghen is likely to play in the left-back position for Belgium and will almost surely face Antonio Candreva, a player renowned for his work ethic and ability to drive forward, dribbling at pace to exploit space and create opportunities for his teammates. If Candreva plays in his usual relentless manner, he is capable of overwhelming whomever he faces to facilitate the Azzurri's attacking game.

Star man:

JC: Eden Hazard

Kevin De Bruyne does not seem to be enjoying his football. That's why the man who could make the difference is Hazard. The captain looks cheerful these days and, on form, he could destroy any team. If he gets among the sometimes ponderous Italian defenders, anything could happen. It is time for the Chelsea man to shine internationally.

MR: Thiago Motta

Italy will be focusing all their attacking efforts in the wide areas and Daniele De Rossi and the men behind him will have their hands full with stopping the likes of Eden Hazard and Kevin De Bruyne from scoring. As such, Motta will have a big role to play. While he will be expected to defend, he must also ensure that his team keep pushing up the pitch, so Italy do not fall too deep and surrender to Belgium's attacking talent. By offering a defence-splitting pass or two, he will inspire the forward line and keep the opposing defence busy.

Prediction:

JC: 1-1. It will be a battle royal and honours could end up even as no one wants to lose.

MR: Italy can create opportunities but will struggle to score and with the attacking talent Belgium boast, it's difficult to see past a 1-0 win for Marc Wilmots side.
 
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