The Mandarin-speaking strategy

[brocoli]

Mandarin speaking strategy i guess shouldnt be telecast-ed out-loud as one segment might feel left out. How do you use this Stretegy to win over Chinese speaking voters.. And why and whom are this people you are targeting and how do you appeal to this segment of this society? So basically do you start a W.p chinese wing? News-letter in chinese? Organizing tours for Chinese only? There will be a negative/positive impact but which is greater and how important is it to play this Language/Race Card? By 2016 a very large block will be new-voters and this new voters are from the English speaking generation. Many can sway their parents/grand-parents votes just like this G.E(Like how My sister and myself swayed my parent's votes away from PAP and many of my friends admitted doing the same)and also by 2016 the fear-factor will be almost gone. So is this the right strategy?


Lastly, This issue might be more sensitive with the Malay population as the Local Indian population(Cant speak for the New Indian Immigrants) always tend to be netruel when issues like this comes around and doesnt see the Chinese as competitors(Malays and Chinese has a History etc. who gets to eat more of the pie or sensitively over Chinese population is being used to diluted them or their voice) Its a very sensitive topic that Csm is playing with, Is this the right strategy.. Come 2016 how many of the local population will only be Chinese educated?

Hi Psy83,

What was published on Yahoo FTP that got so many negative comments by the minority communities? Chen's allusion to the Tang Dynasty during his Mandarin parliamentary speech? If so, I can understand the sentiment.

The problem, I think, is that the culture card was played at a point of time when many Singaporeans - Chinese or not - are getting increasingly annoyed by the seemingly unstoppable influx of folks from the PRC. Even as a Chinese-Singaporean myself, it is worrying to go out on the streets and see road signs in only Mandarin and English, or enter a 711 to have to repeat your order for a packet of Marlboro Ice Blast in Mandarin because the countergirl only knows how to jiang hua yu ie. speak Mandarin. What happened to our multiracial, multicultural society?

Then, you see things like the opening of the Sun Yat-Sen museum, as though his many short trips to Singapore really had some monumental impact on our society. As if all this isn't enough, some politician comes by and uses figures from the Tang Dynasty to shed some insight on the political situation in Singapore. Granted, it was a Mandarin speech and supposedly addressed to the Chinese community. But then you have the S*** Times picking up on it, translating the contents into English, and giving it a full-page treatment. And suddenly, China's imperial history suddenly becomes intertwined with Singaporeans, whether or not we like it.

I can see why doing something can be alienating to the minority races, even if Chen Show Mao's intent was never to be so. Heck, I would have found it alienating if I didn't personally know what the Tang Dynasty was about.

i will forward all of chiur sensitive requests to show mao...


he can easily made a malay speech if he want since he study it in cat high.... why should he dumb himself down for dumb peasants who will find any reason to vote PAP.... if they get mad with WP over this kind of thinbg then seriously WP can do without their votes......


hating ah tiongs and make chinese speech ish 2 different thing ... chiu think the uncultured ah tiong in sinkie land can understand....

all of chiu old unkers alway argue over meaningless things like coalition govt or what notcvh and now this???

I am a gen Yer, I Hate ah tiong and in the past i always sleep during Mandarin lesson ...


my Mandarin teachers all hate me





but now because of show mao, i am goin to to popular bookshop and buying chinese books....... when I neber touch chinese since A level chinese



he make Mandarin kool... every thing he touch ish gold ...

go and look at this
https://www.facebook.com/#!/pages/Chen-Show-Mao-Fashion/150429348388355

SHOW MAO ish uber kool to the maX...

all of chiu lao kok kok ah peks need to get out of chiur kopitiam and stop seeing things thru your pre GE2011 eyes..... and stop thinking chiu peepuir understand youngsters.....


all your historical anaylsis = EPIC FAILED !!!!

 

[brocoli]

the third group consists of the younger lot, having ample time to spare & no clue of what they want. the rebellious age simply puts them against the grains of the norm. the saving grace is probably their higher perceived IQ but their EQ is simply non existence.

prease shut up lah..... you just pissed off an entire generation...your EQ is simply non existence

Wow, Chen's Mandarin is even better then my Hunan accent one. Blush, blush.

He's preparing Singapore for the eventual Reunification with China.

Good work comrade Chen!

@maozedong, your stir shit = epic fail.... prease up lorry soon ... tank q bery much

Good discussion guys/gals. Taking it all in. It has been a difficult subject and has created a lot of unpleasantness across many segments. Chen is obviously playing the race card but it may backfire as it gives the PAP the opportunity to re-build the crumbling Malay block. We have avoided going into racial representation but the PAP went down this route with HDB and GRC. They set the framework and others are using it. The PAP has only itself to blame.

scroobal, i tot you are 1 of the more clever lao jiao here.... your analysis = epic fail....

there is no race card any more.....
there is only local and sinkies
if you really think that malay are upset over this then i wan to ask are you a malay ??? since you really insult them with your statement....

Also taking note that when this article was posted on Yahoo FTP, Almost all with Minority Nicknames was giving negative comments. Are they sensitive or was there a Misunderstanding or CSm didnt push this idea in a correct manner?

prease lah, some online comments are really noise..........
the title and article was inflamatory huat da fark you expect....
how many of chiu was thinking that Tan JIak Sai was the Massiah ? kee qiu....

online sentitments must be backed by ground sentiment otherwise it ish just noise....

i dun take online sentitments seriously if it contradict actual ground sentiment....

 

[psy83]

@Brocoli Can you explain with proper English, I am getting confused on what your trying to project.

 

[Ramseth]

Technically, Show Mao still owes me a treat. Not that he doesn't pay up, but I just laughed it off as a happy joke and didn't claim it. On nomination day, all WP members and helpers were assembled for a final briefing before heading to each of our nomination centres. I told Show Mao, 一鸣惊人，一战而成。He replied 谢谢，但天下没有稳赢的战。I said 先预祝你马到功成，赢了随便请我一餐便可。He replied 谢谢，当然当然，没问题。His style is an incredible combination of competence with sincerity and confidence with humility. No PAP MP can match that.

 

[brocoli]

@Brocoli I dont really understand what your talking and where your going with your Ranting. Can you be more political or at least explain with proper English.

in short...

1)Show Mao will not alienate the malays, dun read too much into online comments
2)you guys are thinking too much... and all the over analysis ish epic failure
3)in 6 minute,he did huat 30yrs of Speak Mandarin Campaign and dis xiao mei mei cant do
[video=youtube;5lLKTTDRtHE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lLKTTDRtHE[/video]

he make mandarin uber kool !!!!

 

[psy83]

Your not understanding what me or the others are trying to say, As for myself Im not saying that CSM is alienating anyone. All im saying is whether the strategy he is using would get misunderstood and used as an advantage for the PAP to play on or if the strategy used is the right way to go. Im not speaking just by analyzing Online comments but looking at things in another way and giving an explanation with regards to how the Singapore society thinks and the mindset of minorities.

And please Listen and debate and not rant like a wild dog, Give some explanation to your sentiment and stop playing school yard politics.

 

[brocoli]

btw all the thing below ish from show mao wall

Saya memang tidak faham mengapa seorang yang menggunakan bahasa Cina untuk memberi hujah dan ucapan di Parlimen perlu membuat rujukan kepada beberapa ciri-ciri sejarah Cina. Pada saya, sejarah ini tidak kena-mengena langsung dengan hakikat kita di Singapura ini. Sebagai orang yang bukan Cina, saya langsung tidak merasai kaitan kepada sejarah Cina.

Saya berpendapat bahawa En Chen hanya ingin menunjukkan kemahirannya sebagai seorang cendiakawan yang kononnya memegang ilmu mendalam tetang aspek-aspek ke-Cinaan. Saya tidak tahu siapakah golongan pendengar yang ucapan ini ditujukan kepada, tapi saya syak yang ia bukan untuk kaum-kaum minoriti di Singapura.

Tapi sebagai gerak politik, saya rasa memberi ucapan yang khusus kepada anggota majoriti tidak akan mengikis sokongan terhadap Mr Chen. Memang sebagai 75% anggota Singapura, bahagian undi yang datangnya dari kaum Cina harus lebih dipentingkan daripada bahagian undi puak-puak yang lain.

Namun begitu, saya rasa pada masa kini lebih cenderung kepada Cina cauvinis Mr Chen daripada Cina cauvinis Lee Kuan Yew. Kesempitan memilih ahli parlimen yang benar-benar mewakili diri kami ialah hakikat kehidupan minoriti di sini.

Korang ni semua senang cakap, senang nak pertahankan dia, pasal korang ni orang Cina, paham tak? Yang kitorang ni yang bukan Cina, kalau dengar ucapan macam ni memang lah tersentak sikit. Sama jugak la kalau waktu dulu bila ada orang UMNO yang ghairah sangat membuat rujukan kepada kegemilangan kota Melaka dengan kedaulatan Tanah Melayu, dipanggil 'ultra'. Jadi timbul lah soalan sekarang, adakah En Chen ni seorang ultra juga? Tak kan lah gelaran macam 'ultra' tu sehaluan sahaja, kan?

Alfian Sa'at : Namun begitu, saya rasa pada masa kini lebih cenderung kepada Cina cauvinis Mr Chen daripada Cina cauvinis Lee Kuan Yew. Kesempitan memilih ahli parlimen yang benar-benar mewakili diri kami ialah hakikat kehidupan minoriti di sin.

Assalamualaikum bro. Alfian, saya ingin berkongsi sedikit pengalaman saya tentang rakan seperjuangan saya, Enk Show Mao. Selama kita bekerjasama, saya dapati Enk Show Mao adalah seorang yang prihatin tentang adat dan amalan kaum-kaum lain. Contohnya, semasa berkempen, apabila kami sepasukan membuat kunjungan ke pasar dan berada dikawasan gerai-gerai yang menjual daging khinzir, beliau akan memberitahu saya tidak perlu untuk berjabat tangan, biar beliau dan rakan-rakan yang lain melakukannya. Beliau faham akan kedudukan saya sebagai seorang muslim. Dan apabila kami hendak makan tengahari beliau dan rakan-rakan yang amat mengambil berat tentang adanya gerai-gerai halal. Selain ini kami juga banyak bertukar-tukar pendapat tentang nilai-nilai pelbagai agama. Saya bukan hendak membela rakan saya, tetapi ini adalah perkongsian saya...Allah hu A'lam

majority here are already miraculously praising a man that has not create jobs, build public infrastructure, school, hospital and whatnot, CSM has no clear stand on human rights and animal rights issues, his speech about China History seemingly support and pro-PAP's game-plan of using 1millions PRC to systematically replaced Chinese Singaporean. I am a Chinese Singaporean but i also adopt a Hindu-Malay name being a true Singaporean. If we could allow such China propaganda in a Singapore Parliament, come 2016 when there is more converted PRC citizen holding public office, the divide will deeper. yes i have deep-set phobia against PRC for all the chaotic dismay they bring into Singapore. be worry for singaporeans are fast losing footing in singapore and we should be more concern with our own unique heritage blend history.

Assalamualaikum Alfian Saat. Saya ingin berkongsi pendapat serta pengalaman saya bersama Encik Chen Show Mao. Beliau adalah seorang sahabat yang mulia dan prihatin mengenai kedudukuan rakyat yang dialami kesempitan. Semasa memberi ucapan di parlimen, beliau telah menggunakan analogi pemerintahan Tang di Cina seketika dahulu kerana terdapat nilai-nilai yang murni boleh digunakan sebagai suatu iktibar pada kita. Analogi Cina itu digunakan pada ucapan bahasa Mandarin beliau di parlimen.

Mengenai pengalaman saya bersama Encik Chen Show Mao pula. Beliau adalah seorang yang gugur dan ikhlas membantu semua lapisan masyarakat di Singapura. Beliau akan meluangkan masa bersama penduduk-penduduk di divisyen Paya Lebar dan mendengar rintihan mereka. Walaupun bahasa Melayu beliau kurang fasir, beliau akan berkomunikasi dengan masyarakat Melayu dengan menggunakan bahasa Melayu. Semasa beliau bersama dengan saya, beliau selalu mengambil berat tentang kedudukan say sebagai seorang Muslim dan akan memastikan bahawa makanan yang disediakan adalah Halal.

please it is not the language of choice for delivery, don't matter what official language is used. it is the relation to China history that concern me, for the record, Singapore history and China history are vastly different and we do not relate, bringing China History into Singapore Parliament will further ire those that already upset over the lax influx of PRC. i may not live to see 2016, for those of you that do, be sure to see more PRC hold public office and will further dilute our original Singapore heritage and history, with that of China's. then you will live to see your right as original Singaporeans taken away and rule over by them. if no one make a clear stand to preserve what our rightful history meant to us and happily jump at the excitement of reciting tangs poem, three kingdoms, song dynasty and whatnot. then Singapore is no longer the Singapore identity that we have grown to know. remember how our surname are made to be different from our parents because we have to adopt han yu pin ying in our ID. slowly and painfully, your rights will surely be dilute.

https://www.facebook.com/alfiansaat
this guy ish a malay ultra trying to stir dabian

 

[psy83]

This is exactly the type of sentiment i was concern about, i knew feelings like this would come out but also this guy might just be a PAP troll stirring shit up.. A propaganda campaign can easily be started up to push minority votes back to PAP playing race sentiments. 2016 will be a very close call and the minority votes which stands at 25% can be swayed just by race sentiments and this can either make or break both parties.

 

[scroobal]

Language is always sensitive. Malaysia, Sri Lanka etc are good examples. The fact that Alfian is using Malays clearly shows that is has now come out in the open. Non Malay speaking Singaporeans will feel alienated. He is making a statement. We take it for granted as we are the majority but the minority don't see it that way including the English educated overseas grads in the main. It does not help integrate or assimilate society.

Chen will be remembered for all the wrong things. I suspect that he will switch to English and alternate to keep the ground sweet and he would be smart to do so.

prease lah, some online comments are really noise..........
the title and article was inflamatory huat da fark you expect....
how many of chiu was thinking that Tan JIak Sai was the Massiah ? kee qiu....

online sentitments must be backed by ground sentiment otherwise it ish just noise....

i dun take online sentitments seriously if it contradict actual ground sentiment....

 

[scroobal]

As a member of the minority, your comments and views are welcome. Its important that you continue to do so. I am also delighted that you are able to articulate it well.

This is exactly the type of sentiment i was concern about, i knew feelings like this would come out.

 

[brocoli]

Language is always sensitive. Malaysia, Sri Lanka etc are good examples. The fact that Alfian is using Malays clearly shows that is has now come out in the open. Non Malay speaking Singaporeans will feel alienated. He is making a statement. We take it for granted as we are the majority but the minority don't see it that way including the English educated overseas grads in the main. It does not help integrate or assimilate society.

Chen will be remembered for all the wrong things. I suspect that he will switch to English and alternate to keep the ground sweet and he would be smart to do so.

look guys.... dun see huat you wan to see....

goto his wall and read

https://www.facebook.com/ChenShowMao

国会发言
Parliament speech in Chinese

162 commnets... the guy was effectively neutralised ... not surprisingly.....since its show mao wall....

we got 2 young malay WP candidate coming out to defend , 1 of which is the MP......

i stand by moi comments... PAP wun dare to use the race card... dats 1 thing i admire about them though....

how are they goin to stop sim ann, sia suay and tin tin from making chinese speeches ....?

chinese voting bloc ish the largest bloc and playing the race card undo all the goot work they have done over the past 50 yrs...

they wun do it.

and Mr Low ish too smart for them...

 

[scroobal]

During GE campaign, use of dialects and languages are very good. But not when you go to Parliament. The exception when you are not good in English. Anything else is asking for trouble.

I am not too worried as LTK can read the ground well.

look guys.... dun see huat you wan to see....

goto his wall and read

https://www.facebook.com/ChenShowMao

国会发言
Parliament speech in Chinese

162 commnets... the guy was effectively neutralised ... not surprisingly.....since its show mao wall....

we got 2 young malay WP candidate coming out to defend , 1 of which is the MP......

i stand by moi comments... PAP wun dare to use the race card... dats 1 thing i admire about them though....

how are they goin to stop sim ann, sia suay and tin tin from making chinese speeches ....?

chinese voting bloc ish the largest bloc and playing the race card undo all the goot work they have done over the past 50 yrs...

they wun do it.

and Mr Low ish too smart for them...

 

[psy83]

look guys.... dun see huat you wan to see....

goto his wall and read

https://www.facebook.com/ChenShowMao

国会发言
Parliament speech in Chinese

162 commnets... the guy was effectively neutralised ... not surprisingly.....since its show mao wall....

we got 2 young malay WP candidate coming out to defend , 1 of which is the MP......

i stand by moi comments... PAP wun dare to use the race card... dats 1 thing i admire about them though....

how are they goin to stop sim ann, sia suay and tin tin from making chinese speeches ....?

chinese voting bloc ish the largest bloc and playing the race card undo all the goot work they have done over the past 50 yrs...

they wun do it.

and Mr Low ish too smart for them...

What your not understanding is, PAP can unleash a series of Propaganda just by saying that CSM is a Chinese Chauvinist and this will immediately sway minority votes not only from him but also from W.P and please take note that the 2 minority WP M.P are not seen as Representative of minorities but only there because of the GRC contesting rule. P.s PAP has used the Race card many times btw.

 

[brocoli]

What your not understanding is, PAP can unleash a series of Propaganda just by saying that CSM is a Chinese Chauvinist and this will immediately sway minority votes not only from him but also from W.P and please take note that the 2 minority WP M.P are not seen as Representative of minorities but only there because of the GRC contesting rule. P.s PAP has used the Race card many times btw.

I farking dare them to do it....... LKY is dead poltically ... and you ah peks nid to get up to date with the new poltical environment....
CSM has done nuthing wrong, he is not avocating any chinese agenda unlike Tang Liang Hong....

 

[psy83]

I farking dare them to do it....... LKY is dead poltically ... and you ah peks nid to get up to date with the new poltical environment....
CSM has done nuthing wrong, he is not avocating any chinese agenda unlike Tang Liang Hong....

Im not an old timer, Im only 28. Honestly your either a Troll or someone who doesnt really understand Politics as a whole, And dont understand that things like Psychology, sociology, Propaganda etc. is part of politics. You either think that people in politics are like Fairy god mother or you think politicians have the same morals as you do. So bottom-line is, Your either a troll or too naive.

 

[brocoli]

Im not an old timer, Im only 28. Honestly your either a Troll or someone who doesnt really understand Politics as a whole, And dont understand that things like Psychology, sociology, Propaganda etc. is part of politics. You either think that people in politics are like Fairy god mother or you think politicians have the same morals as you do. So bottom-line is, Your either a troll or too naive.

1 thing i respect lky is he have the balls to do it..
lhl has neither the balls non the political capital non the chance to do it.....

if PAP really do it when there is nothing, they will just hasten their downfall....
please understand the reality of today and distingush between what ish possible and sucidal...

they will just divide the country and undo all their own effort if they play the race card here and now.........

 

[Fook Seng]

What your not understanding is, PAP can unleash a series of Propaganda just by saying that CSM is a Chinese Chauvinist and this will immediately sway minority votes not only from him but also from W.P and please take note that the 2 minority WP M.P are not seen as Representative of minorities but only there because of the GRC contesting rule. P.s PAP has used the Race card many times btw.

If there were no GRC scheme, there would not be minority representation to talk about as anyone who contest on the minority platform will surely fail.

 

[kingrant]

This being Chen's maiden speech, I think it was meant as a grandstanding over the gallery, to impress the Chinese-speaking middle ground in the heartlands. It only shows that WP has to use every Swiss army tool in their toolbox to pry open long PAP dominated strongholds. His elocution was far superior than any Chinese speaking PAP MP that I have ever listened to. Teo Ho Pin tried to rebut but was no match for the fluency and perfect accentuations of CSM.
As long as CSM or the WP addresses broad issues and covers grounds that make the Malays felt included, albeit in Mandarin, we shld not fear that they will be alienated by the Malays, and vice versa. Having said that, I think WP shld not play the Mandarin speech ploy too often. They have to find the best balance.

 

[Windsor]

"One swallow does not a summer make" as the saying goes. If it becomes a trend then I worry.

 

[theDoors]

if the thread can provoke a gen Y to participate, it's a good thing.