the incredible story of buddha while still in 'limbo' told by ramtha
Student: You have said that once a person dies, he goes to
one of several places or heavens, as you call them, depending
upon what his attitudes are like, and there he decides whether he
wants to come back here.
Ramtha: That is indeed correct.
Student: How is that decision made? Who makes that
decision? Does each individual decide that for himself?
Ramtha: There is no one who sits aloft, master, and governs
or directs anyone entity to choose a particular plane or place for
expression, regardless of how the entity expressed in a prior life.
To answer your question, let me tell you of an entity who
lived upon your plane many years ago in your time. When the
entity passed from this plane, he had experienced and understood
power and pain, and he had expressed the sweetness and
tenderness of love. That means his understanding was aligned
with the fifth plane of heaven. Thus when he left this plane, that
is where he went for what is termed a holiday of whatever duration
he desired.
Now the fifth plane is a plane where entities readily manifest
through their thoughts - which is their voice - whatever they
imagine, whatever they desire, and in but a moment it appears.
They experience color and form and illusion and all things in life.
And they continue to experience all of their dreams for however
long they desire, until the time comes when they ponder whether
there is something more. And there is something more, for there
are still two heavens beyond them that they cannot see, for they
have not reckoned with those understandings in their thought
processes nor expressed them in their lives. To experience those
planes, they have to see God in all things and be as God is. Though
they have humbly expressed love, they have yet to understand
their oneness with God and all life.
After a short time upon the plane of paradise, this master
began to ponder whether there was something more, and he called
for help. And there is always help. Behold, there appeared before
him a most wondrous entity, silken in light and arrayed in garments
that are brilliant to the eye. And he said to the entity, "0 master,
I am troubled. In this paradise I have everything. I have the fishes
from the sea that I always dreamed about catching and never did.
I have the home I always dreamed about having and never did.
And I have flowers that do not even need a gardener. A most
wondrous place. And look at my garments. I never had clothes
like this before, but I have them now. Yet I am still troubled.
Though I have many friends here, the woman I love is not with
me. And that is not all that troubles me. Where is God? I see all
these wondrous things. I have all these wondrous things. But where
is God?"
The wise entity says unto him, "Blessed be you who have
reveled in all things that are and yet question whether there is
perhaps something more, who questions where the Father is who
has adorned you so well."
"Well, that is what I am mostly troubled about. I would like
to thank God for giving me all of these wonderful things.
Although I've always been a little afraid of God, I would like to
pay homage to him, if that's acceptable."
The entity says, "Master, come with me. There is a place I
wish to take you to."
In but a blink of the eye, they are at a pond, yet they have
traveled nowhere. The wise entity says, "Master, do sit yourself
beside me and look into the water."
The man looks into the water, and what does he see? He
sees before him his last expression upon this plane: from the
time he was a babe suckling upon his mother's breast, to the
changing of his sweet bottom, to youth and skinned knees and
lost marbles, to young manhood and seducing some unwilling
participant, to manhood, marriage, and love forever, to children
and opportunities, labors and friends and finances.
He is amazed, for he is seeing himself as he has never seen
himself before. He had been a good man in that life, who believed
that God existed. He had been a powerful man, and yet he never
enslaved anyone with his power. And he had loved his wife and
children earnestly and didn't mind telling a few about that either.
So he had made himself known in that life by teaching and
mastering and loving and becoming humble and pure in Spirit.
As his life is revealed in the pond and he contemplates what
he sees, the man looks at the entity and he says, "I have done well."
The entity says, "You have done well. You have done very
well indeed, save for this: You never sought to know who your
Father is, and you always separated him from yourself and all life.
"Your wife, let us look at her. The greatest part of your
love for your wife was giving her the things that she adored so
much. And in that regard you have done guite well, save for this:
You never loved yourself enough to allow her to love you in spite
of all the things you gave her. You never really appreciated how
grand you truly are, the giver of all those things.
"So to ease your troubles, let me suggest this to you: Go
back. It is there that you have expressed, and it is there that you
have gained. And this time, you will have for yourself the mastery
of loving yourself, expressing the love within your being, and
seeing God in the beauty of all things.
"If you decide to return, let me suggest that you choose
carefully who you shall be, so the role that is laid out before you
will give you the opportunity to become who you are and to
understand what you have yet to understand.
"I will leave you alone for a while. Ponder these things. You
may take all the time you need. And if you decide to return, let
me know and I will show you how best to proceed."
The man is sitting there, a little weary, and he ponders. He
has everything that he never had before; if he goes back, he loses
it. Yet he is troubled, for he is desirous to find this God who has
blessed him with paradise. So he calls for the entity and says unto
him, "Entity, I am desirous to see God. But I'm not sure how I
am supposed to do this."
The entity says, ''All you need do, master, is decide when
you would like to present yourself known. Any time period, any
place would be appropriate, because what you are going to set
into motion by your desires will provide the experiences you are
needing, regardless of when or where you choose. But if you
have a particular desire to be a part of your family again, I would
suggest to you - and it is only a suggestion - that you stay with
them, for with them you have accomplished the most learning to
this point."
The man ponders this for a moment and then he says, "0
entity, I have one further question to ask you: How will I know
this God when I see him?" The entity replies to him, "When you
know yourself, you will know him."
This lightens the man's heart greatly. For the first time in
his existence he can relate to a God that is perhaps the same as
he. So he says to the entity, "I am desirous to go back and to see
God. And I wish to be part of my family again."
The entity says to him, "Look into the pool. What do you
see?" The man looks into the pool and, behold, the young son
that he left is now a young man who has escorted and wooed
some lovely enchantress. They have become enamored with one
another, and the copulation processes have already begun.
The entity says, "There is a good chance, master, that there
is a way provided for you to return through the offspring of
your son."
"Through my son? I am going to be my son's son? I, the
father, am going to be my son's son and he my father?"
"Of course. When you lived once before, he was your
father and you were his son. So, you see, we are only repeating
this once again."
The man ponders this and he looks at this entity and says,
"But I love my wife. How am I going to be my wife's grandson?"
"From the time you are a small boy, you will adore your
grandmother. By the time you are a man, she will have passed
from the plane. Thus what has helped you to speak the love that
is in your heart will have done its bidding; then it will be time to
bring in new issues of seeing God in its beauty."
The man ponders this and he says, "Entity, who has helped
me so much, when all has been made ready, I wish to become the
child of my son."... contd
Student: You have said that once a person dies, he goes to
one of several places or heavens, as you call them, depending
upon what his attitudes are like, and there he decides whether he
wants to come back here.
Ramtha: That is indeed correct.
Student: How is that decision made? Who makes that
decision? Does each individual decide that for himself?
Ramtha: There is no one who sits aloft, master, and governs
or directs anyone entity to choose a particular plane or place for
expression, regardless of how the entity expressed in a prior life.
To answer your question, let me tell you of an entity who
lived upon your plane many years ago in your time. When the
entity passed from this plane, he had experienced and understood
power and pain, and he had expressed the sweetness and
tenderness of love. That means his understanding was aligned
with the fifth plane of heaven. Thus when he left this plane, that
is where he went for what is termed a holiday of whatever duration
he desired.
Now the fifth plane is a plane where entities readily manifest
through their thoughts - which is their voice - whatever they
imagine, whatever they desire, and in but a moment it appears.
They experience color and form and illusion and all things in life.
And they continue to experience all of their dreams for however
long they desire, until the time comes when they ponder whether
there is something more. And there is something more, for there
are still two heavens beyond them that they cannot see, for they
have not reckoned with those understandings in their thought
processes nor expressed them in their lives. To experience those
planes, they have to see God in all things and be as God is. Though
they have humbly expressed love, they have yet to understand
their oneness with God and all life.
After a short time upon the plane of paradise, this master
began to ponder whether there was something more, and he called
for help. And there is always help. Behold, there appeared before
him a most wondrous entity, silken in light and arrayed in garments
that are brilliant to the eye. And he said to the entity, "0 master,
I am troubled. In this paradise I have everything. I have the fishes
from the sea that I always dreamed about catching and never did.
I have the home I always dreamed about having and never did.
And I have flowers that do not even need a gardener. A most
wondrous place. And look at my garments. I never had clothes
like this before, but I have them now. Yet I am still troubled.
Though I have many friends here, the woman I love is not with
me. And that is not all that troubles me. Where is God? I see all
these wondrous things. I have all these wondrous things. But where
is God?"
The wise entity says unto him, "Blessed be you who have
reveled in all things that are and yet question whether there is
perhaps something more, who questions where the Father is who
has adorned you so well."
"Well, that is what I am mostly troubled about. I would like
to thank God for giving me all of these wonderful things.
Although I've always been a little afraid of God, I would like to
pay homage to him, if that's acceptable."
The entity says, "Master, come with me. There is a place I
wish to take you to."
In but a blink of the eye, they are at a pond, yet they have
traveled nowhere. The wise entity says, "Master, do sit yourself
beside me and look into the water."
The man looks into the water, and what does he see? He
sees before him his last expression upon this plane: from the
time he was a babe suckling upon his mother's breast, to the
changing of his sweet bottom, to youth and skinned knees and
lost marbles, to young manhood and seducing some unwilling
participant, to manhood, marriage, and love forever, to children
and opportunities, labors and friends and finances.
He is amazed, for he is seeing himself as he has never seen
himself before. He had been a good man in that life, who believed
that God existed. He had been a powerful man, and yet he never
enslaved anyone with his power. And he had loved his wife and
children earnestly and didn't mind telling a few about that either.
So he had made himself known in that life by teaching and
mastering and loving and becoming humble and pure in Spirit.
As his life is revealed in the pond and he contemplates what
he sees, the man looks at the entity and he says, "I have done well."
The entity says, "You have done well. You have done very
well indeed, save for this: You never sought to know who your
Father is, and you always separated him from yourself and all life.
"Your wife, let us look at her. The greatest part of your
love for your wife was giving her the things that she adored so
much. And in that regard you have done guite well, save for this:
You never loved yourself enough to allow her to love you in spite
of all the things you gave her. You never really appreciated how
grand you truly are, the giver of all those things.
"So to ease your troubles, let me suggest this to you: Go
back. It is there that you have expressed, and it is there that you
have gained. And this time, you will have for yourself the mastery
of loving yourself, expressing the love within your being, and
seeing God in the beauty of all things.
"If you decide to return, let me suggest that you choose
carefully who you shall be, so the role that is laid out before you
will give you the opportunity to become who you are and to
understand what you have yet to understand.
"I will leave you alone for a while. Ponder these things. You
may take all the time you need. And if you decide to return, let
me know and I will show you how best to proceed."
The man is sitting there, a little weary, and he ponders. He
has everything that he never had before; if he goes back, he loses
it. Yet he is troubled, for he is desirous to find this God who has
blessed him with paradise. So he calls for the entity and says unto
him, "Entity, I am desirous to see God. But I'm not sure how I
am supposed to do this."
The entity says, ''All you need do, master, is decide when
you would like to present yourself known. Any time period, any
place would be appropriate, because what you are going to set
into motion by your desires will provide the experiences you are
needing, regardless of when or where you choose. But if you
have a particular desire to be a part of your family again, I would
suggest to you - and it is only a suggestion - that you stay with
them, for with them you have accomplished the most learning to
this point."
The man ponders this for a moment and then he says, "0
entity, I have one further question to ask you: How will I know
this God when I see him?" The entity replies to him, "When you
know yourself, you will know him."
This lightens the man's heart greatly. For the first time in
his existence he can relate to a God that is perhaps the same as
he. So he says to the entity, "I am desirous to go back and to see
God. And I wish to be part of my family again."
The entity says to him, "Look into the pool. What do you
see?" The man looks into the pool and, behold, the young son
that he left is now a young man who has escorted and wooed
some lovely enchantress. They have become enamored with one
another, and the copulation processes have already begun.
The entity says, "There is a good chance, master, that there
is a way provided for you to return through the offspring of
your son."
"Through my son? I am going to be my son's son? I, the
father, am going to be my son's son and he my father?"
"Of course. When you lived once before, he was your
father and you were his son. So, you see, we are only repeating
this once again."
The man ponders this and he looks at this entity and says,
"But I love my wife. How am I going to be my wife's grandson?"
"From the time you are a small boy, you will adore your
grandmother. By the time you are a man, she will have passed
from the plane. Thus what has helped you to speak the love that
is in your heart will have done its bidding; then it will be time to
bring in new issues of seeing God in its beauty."
The man ponders this and he says, "Entity, who has helped
me so much, when all has been made ready, I wish to become the
child of my son."... contd
