the hypocrisy of TOC and many forumers and the population in general

[brocoli]

look the the 2 articles by TOC

TOC Editorial: The Steve Tan debacle – Singaporeans deserve a full account
http://theonlinecitizen.com/2011/04/the-steve-tan-debacle-singaporeans-deserve-a-full-account/

The natural conclusion Singaporeans will come to is that for such a ground-breaking decision to have been made, the Steve Tan’s “problem” must have been a significant one.

Singaporeans will ask the natural question: if Mr Steve Tan came within minutes of getting on a PAP slate and entering Parliament on the coattails of senior GRC Minister Mah Bow Tan, who else on the PAP slate might be inadequately vetted?

Finally, Mr Baey’s grassroots leaders and constituents deserve an explanation. They have had no chance to size their new MP up, let alone vote for him. To the broader electorate, the refusal so far to give a forthright explanation can come to remind them of the least likeable aspects of the PAP’s style of decision making: its’ opaque and condescending tone.

Unless a full and frank accounting for what went wrong with Steve Tan is given, this debacle has the potential to set a very inauspicious note for the PAP’s election campaign.

Don’t sensationalise Yaw’s alleged marital woes Posted by theonlinecitizen on January 28, 2012
http://theonlinecitizen.com/2012/01/dont-sensationalise-yaw-alleged-marital-woes/

Workers' Party MP, Yaw Shin Leong has come under fire for an alleged extra marital affair. From a moral standpoint and in a black and white world, Yaw’s actions, if true are reprehensible. However, does this have any bearing on his role as an MP?

MPs might be public figures but they are also entitled to a private life. Just because they appear in the media does not automatically give the public a right to pry at every turn.

Public figues have to be held accountable, but only to the extent of the remit of their powers. It would be fair for the media to expose Yaw if he had abused his powers as Member of Parliament, engaged in nepotism or committed a crime.

In this case however, Yaw is not accountable to anyone but his family members and his religious community. It is not for us or anyone in the media to stir controversy and pass judgment.

Whether he has a good marriage or not is besides the point (as long as it has not affected his role as MP).

In this case, it is not apparent that his private life has affected his public role. It is therefore not an issue unless we make it one.

I think I made my pt....
on 1 hand, TOC tellin us we need full accountability for PAP candidates, on the other hand tell us WP MP is not accountable to anyone but his family members and his religious community.

I think we see it alot in the forum here, hotbed of opp supporters.... when I post the BT article on how well SIngapore is doing, all the wise old men pretend not see it and let it be bump down with no comment.....

if we can close 1 eye for something, then we can close 1 eye for anything....

Look at TT post, she can open 10 thread on the CNB/SCDF incident and yet not a single post on Yaw, same goes for RonRon who can can open 10 thread on the Yaw and yet not a single post on CNB/SCDF incident.

This is a sneering criticism of every1 who remain silent on issues simply because it is inconvenient..... and also every1 who open their mouth on every single issues but say different thing when it concern different people, like TOC...
I expect to be zap so make my day..... but more likely this thread will be bump down simply because it make people feel uncomfortable....

meantime the silent swing voters remain silent, ... we are reduce to Boss trolling the forum with sometime weak arguement to get some semblance of balance, while his clumsy effort are appreciated.... the extreme way which he does it doesnt bridge the any difference so we have 2 sides that look like they are talking to each other but in reality just totally speakin to themselves only..... so silent middle ground still have no voices ...

middle ground doesnt have to be unprincipled, no opinions and silent... I encourage moderate to speak put... if they exist in the 1st place..... or still exist now...

Disclaimer: I dun pretend to be moderate, I have strong views on stuff and even stronger methods of expressing it....

 

[I_Hate_Pappies]

This is exactly what the PAP has been doing with the mainstream media since your Father or even Grandfather's time.

 

[brocoli]

the Pathetic state of Singapore’s mainstream/alternative media

Now TOC is blasting blasting TNP for not publishing the CNB and SCDF news.... and SDP is doin the same and blasting the media for covering up news of the Saw 's resignation.....

http://theonlinecitizen.com/2012/01...the-sad-state-of-singapores-mainstream-media/

This comment from The New Paper seems to suggest that the mainstream media (msm) were well aware that Singapore Civil Defence Force’s Commissioner, Peter Lim Sin Pang, and Director of the Central Narcotics Bureau, Ng Boon Gay, have been relieved of their positions and were being probed by CPIB over 'allegations of serious personal misconduct', about a month ago.

http://www.tremeritus.com/2012/01/28/why-the-delay-in-reporting-news-of-such-magnitude/

Ms Saw Phaik Hwa made her decision to resign as SMRT CEO on 7 December 2011 but the public only came to know about it one month later on 6 January 2012.

But TRE themselves they also admit to not reporting news about CNB and SCDF news

http://www.tremeritus.com/2012/01/24/breaking-news-scdf-chief-under-cpib-investigation/

About 10 days ago, TR Emeritus (TRE) received news from an anonymous tip-off that SCDF Commissioner Peter Benedict Lim Sin Pang was purportedly under CPIB investigation. However, at that moment in time, TRE was unable to confirm the news from the various official channels hence the article was held back to err on the safe side.

and finally we also have TNP knowing the Yaw scandal way in advance of reporting by TRE and they did not publish it ....

http://www.tnp.sg/content/no-comment-affair-rumours-wps-yaw?page=0,139
http://www.straitstimes.com/BreakingNews/Singapore/Story/STIStory_760301.html
http://www.asiaone.com/News/Latest+News/Singapore/Story/A1Story20120128-324415.html

But on Thursday, The New Paper reported that two days before the online report, it had contacted Mr Yaw about the same allegations at his MPS.

but guess what???? no1 whack them for not publishing the news, if anything.... TRE whack TNP for publishing the same thing which they have published earlier....

http://www.tremeritus.com/2012/01/2...sationalizing-rumours-to-generate-readership/

The wife of Workers’ Party (WP) Member of Parliament for Hougang Mr Yaw Shin Leong has slammed the local media for sensationalizing rumours to generate readership, supposedly in defense of her husband who was alleged to be involved in an extra-marital affair with a married female member from the same party.

and TR Emeritus were rightly whack by Temasek Revealed...

http://temasekrevealed.blogspot.com/2012/01/tremeritus-sensationalizing-anti-wp.html

A case of hypocrisy at its purest? TREmeritus was the first media to spread the rumor and it is now blaming the mainstream media for sensationalizing it. The new anti-PAP and anti-WP editorial at TREmeritus were the ones who started the rumors rolling with names and party on the line.

does that mean that Temasek Revealed is a paragon of journalistic integrity ????

http://temasekrevealed.blogspot.com/2012/01/tremeritus-infiltrated-with-anti-wp.html

Despite the injection of new blood and a new name, TREmeritus editors seems to be infiltrated with anti-Workers' Party elements. The recent anti-WP scoop posted up by TREmeritus claimed that a certain "Yaw" has been "poking around" and even got a fellow member "Angela" pregnant. This unfounded rumor is deliberately aimed to smear the good name of Hougang MP Yaw Shin Leong and WP member Angela Oon, and especially the Workers' Party.

so here without doing any investigation into the incident, they juist straight away blast TR Emeritus and cook up some conspiracy.....

so what is the conclusion????

it is the sad state of Singapore’s media that we can no longer get the whole picture from anywhere be it lamestream or alternative .... every1 is self interested with some partisan agenda.... to get some semblance of the whole truth, you need to read every media sources and then think critically to draw you own conclusion, in other words you need to be a journalist yourself.... since journalists have decided to be politicans themselves like Gerald Giam...and politicans like Alex Tan have decide to be journalists.....
this is especially true for alternative/opp sites

the truth is just now different version to different people ....Pathetic

 

[brocoli]

This is exactly what the PAP has been doing with the mainstream media since your Father or even Grandfather's time.

This is exactly the point I has been trying to make, opposition sites and supporters think 2 wrong make 1 right... so in the end they become just like LKY....
the middle ground get turn off and no1 win in the end

 

[zhihau]

Re: the Pathetic state of Singapore’s mainstream/alternative media

to get some semblance of the whole truth, you need to read every media sources and then think critically to draw you own conclusion

bravo! bravo!
have you watched "Rashomon" by Akira Kurosawa-San?

 

[I_Hate_Pappies]

This is exactly what the point I has been trying to make, opposition sites and supporters think 2 wrong make 1 right... so in the end they become just like LKY....
the middle ground get turn off and no1 win in the end

Don't be so worked up. To me, it's fun. I hope LKY is reading all these with one of his hand pressing hard on his LAM PA JIs!

 

[myfoot123]

Steve's Tan case is molestation and the other party is not consenting to his behaviour. Better know the difference.

 

[skponggol]

Steve's Tan case is molestation and the other party is not consenting to his behaviour. Better know the difference.

It is based on unproven allegations.

Anyway, PAP immediately dropped him at the very last minute when they heard the news, denting their image and credibility while Steve Tan came out to face the reporters and explain his side of story.....Compare and contrast that to WP and their Hougang MP.

The PAP leadership is much more decisive, moral and upright than that of WP leadership.

 

[brocoli]

Steve's Tan case is molestation and the other party is not consenting to his behaviour. Better know the difference.

molestation or harassment? so other people' wives are okay to go, when that woman involved was also running for MP ???
you just make my point bout double standards... Neither Steve Tan or Yaw case should be condoned in anyway.... we need full accountability for all...

 

[I_Hate_Pappies]

molestation or harassment? so other people' wives are okay to go, when that woman involved was also running for MP ???
you just make my point bout double standards... Neither Steve Tan or Yaw case should be condoned in anyway.... we need full accountability for all...

Say that to the PAPpies.

 

[I_Hate_Pappies]

It is based on unproven allegations.

Anyway, PAP immediately dropped him at the very last minute when they heard the news, denting their image and credibility while Steve Tan came out to face the reporters and explain his side of story.....Compare and contrast that to WP and their Hougang MP.

The PAP leadership is much more decisive, moral and upright than that of WP leadership.

Fuck your Mother Phua Chee Bye! As at this Moment, YSL's case is Proven?

 

[myfoot123]

molestation or harassment? so other people' wives are okay to go, when that woman involved was also running for MP ???
you just make my point bout double standards... Neither Steve Tan or Yaw case should be condoned in anyway.... we need full accountability for all...

How you know she was married when the incident happened (or not). She was probably single and wanting. Anyway, George Yeo also came out to support Jack Neo does that make PAP any honorable?
Furthermore, I am also respectful of Goh Keng Swee despite him having wife(s) and he did good jobs to Singapore regardless of his personal life.

I close my case and let you guys go and digest what I have written so far. NO point arguing further because it will not change my stand for voting any opposition parties against PAP

 

[brocoli]

How you know she was married when the incident happened (or not). She was probably single and wanting. Anyway, George Yeo also came out to support Jack Neo does that make PAP any honorable?
Furthermore, I am also respectful of Goh Keng Swee despite him having wife(s) and he did good jobs to Singapore regardless of his personal life.

I close my case and let you guys go and digest what I have written so far. NO point arguing further because it will not change my stand for voting any opposition parties against PAP

we wun know anything anything because WP decide to "no comments" to the voters....

the reason WP can be dishonorable is because PAP is dishonorable .... well done you make my point...

 

[myfoot123]

we wun know anything anything because WP decide to "no comments" to the voters....

the reason WP can be dishonorable is because PAP is dishonorable .... well done you make my point...

oh? read on...

 

[myfoot123]

we wun know anything anything because WP decide to "no comments" to the voters....

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Excuse me, if you have sex with your best friend. Later she got married, you dare to tell her husband you had sex with his wife? Don't people deserve some privacy. Where is thy wisdom? Did you pry your wife how many screws she received from other men when you were married?

 

[brocoli]

Excuse me, if you have sex with your best friend. Later she got married, you dare to tell her husband you had sex with his wife? Don't people deserve some privacy. Where is thy wisdom?

I dun wan to discuss about the scandal here and make excuse for or against them here....... this thread is about the hypocrisy of the media and every1 else....

 

[I_Hate_Pappies]

we wun know anything anything because WP decide to "no comments" to the voters....

the reason WP can be dishonorable is because PAP is dishonorable .... well done you make my point...

You voted for WP in the last Election?

 

[I_Hate_Pappies]

we wun know anything anything because WP decide to "no comments" to the voters....

the reason WP can be dishonorable is because PAP is dishonorable .... well done you make my point...

I dun wan to discuss about the scandal here and make excuse for or against them here....... this thread is about the hypocrisy of the media and every1 else....

You voted for WP in the last Election?

 

[brocoli]

You voted for WP in the last Election?

I voted the supposely more honorable side who promise accountability and transparency, hence the ranting and the cheated feelings now.... I am GenY so maybe more idealistic... call me naive...

but srsly is that your best arguements against hypocrisy ???
I dun wan this thread to be sidetrack because the topic is uncomfortable....

 

[myfoot123]

I dun wan this thread to be sidetrack because the topic is uncomfortable....

Good!! now you finally feel the sense of uncomfortability digging and making noise about other people privacy. You still have hope, not too late.

Better go to sleep early, tomorrow everything became past tense and the earth won't stop for you. No one will be hurt for sure. Life has to go on regardless.