The Dave Lee (Corporal F.C.) Thread

[winnipegjets]

The SAF is trying to damage control the fallout of the allegation. If the allegation is true, it will put a dent to the reputation of SAF. But it is important for the sake of our NS boys who serve the nation that an open and transparent investigation be conducted and if lapses are found in the safety procedures, the personnel responsible must be held accountable. No parent will want to leave his son to serve the army when they know that their child life can be put in harm’s way.

Remember the last Coroner Inquiry on the death of a soldier who died because of excessive smoke inhalation? It was a total white wash. The commanders got off scot free. The victim had asthma, yet he was subjected to more than the acceptable exposure to smoke grenade. Coroner just ignored that point.

It is a waste of time unless masses come out to demand an independent inquiry chaired by a panel of distinguished foreign experts.

 

[winnipegjets]

It's a huge honor for the parents of Corporal First Class Dave Lee.

SINGAPORE - The full-time national serviceman who died on Monday (April 30) after being warded for heat stroke will be accorded a military funeral, said the Chief of Staff (General Staff) of the Singapore Armed Forces (SAF).

In a statement released on Tuesday evening, Brigadier-General Siew Kum Wong added that the dead soldier, Private Dave Lee Han Xuan, 19, had received posthumous recognition of the rank of Corporal First Class.

He also said that Pte Lee, a Guardsman from the 1st Battalion Singapore Guards, will be awarded the Guards and Recon military tabs, as well as the Guards beret he had been training for.

"The Army will do our utmost to support his family in this time of grief," BG Siew said.

In his statement, BG Siew reiterated that an independent Committee of Inquiry, chaired by a senior civil servant from outside the Ministry of Defence or the SAF, will investigate Pte Lee’s death.

The committee has full powers and access to both information and personnel to investigate what led to the death, find out the contributing factors, and make recommendations to correct any lapses or inadequacies uncovered.

“Should there be training safety violations, the personnel responsible will be held accountable,” said BG Siew.

https://www.straitstimes.com/singap...nk-for-full-time-national-serviceman-who-died

Being alive is better than all the crap honour from SAF or Sinkapore for that matter.

Would you die in exchange for a Temasek medal?

 

[Cottonmouth]

This PAP mouthpiece is very good at tongue twisting on behalf of his owners, calls NS a 'privilege' but insists that ministars are entitled to 'dignity' rated salaries:

"If the annual salary of the Minister of Information, Communication and Arts is only $500,000, it may pose some problems when he discuss policies with media CEOs who earn millions of dollars because they need not listen to the minister's ideas and proposals. Hence, a reasonable payout will help to maintain a bit of dignity."
- MP Lim Wee Kiak apologises for comments on pay

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This cheebye should be struck by lightning too and his mother gangraped by Shitskins.

 

[Cottonmouth]

If the Minister of Defence is assassinated, most soldiers will applaud in silence.

I will champagne openly.

 

[nitecrawllerr]

Last time after gaining independence we need an army to defend spore. I can understand. I sacrifice my life serving 2.5 yrs and earned my 2 strips. Worth the cause even though only got $90 pm. Now not worth serving NS. Chee Bye treat us like cheap labour. Die for FTs. Fuck!

 

[555]

The commanders involved could have stopped it. Death by heat stroke could be avoided as long as there was no delay. The commanders and regulars did not do their job and had fun with the conscripts. We should not let these people collect their pay and promotions and ride off into the sunset. They must be identified and jailed.

 

[AhMeng]

NS has been around for decades.. All of us have gone through this shit for 2.5years and a dozen of ICTs high and low keys.

I am surprised that after all these decades, the Mindef management still cannot ensure Zero Deaths from heat injuries. Obviously, something is wrong somewhere. It's unacceptable. It's awful for Singaporeans' parents. Unacceptable.

 

[Wunderfool]

It is not the procedures. They have the safety and precaution procedures. It is the compliance that is the problem.

This is like the SMRT issue. It is a deep cultural issue .

 

[tanwahtiu]

Take half panadol and a can of coke half hr before see MO solved yr life time downgrade to P5...

 

[hofmann]

As a parent, if I do not see a satisfactory outcome in this investigation, I will do my utmost to get my children downgraded before they enlist.

SAF, thousands of parents are watching you. And we will act to ensure our children's safety if you can't.

"3 things cannot be long hidden: the sun, the moon and the truth."

 

[rotiprata]

It's a huge honor for the parents of Corporal First Class Dave Lee.

JT, you're eyes closed cock sucking again.

PTE LEE was not killed in action..
he was murdered by his own commanders.... this tragic and meanless incident should not have occurred..

RIP Pte LEE

 

[Wunderfool]

It's a huge honor for the parents of Corporal First Class Dave Lee.

SINGAPORE - The full-time national serviceman who died on Monday (April 30) after being warded for heat stroke will be accorded a military funeral, said the Chief of Staff (General Staff) of the Singapore Armed Forces (SAF).

In a statement released on Tuesday evening, Brigadier-General Siew Kum Wong added that the dead soldier, Private Dave Lee Han Xuan, 19, had received posthumous recognition of the rank of Corporal First Class.

He also said that Pte Lee, a Guardsman from the 1st Battalion Singapore Guards, will be awarded the Guards and Recon military tabs, as well as the Guards beret he had been training for.

"The Army will do our utmost to support his family in this time of grief," BG Siew said.

In his statement, BG Siew reiterated that an independent Committee of Inquiry, chaired by a senior civil servant from outside the Ministry of Defence or the SAF, will investigate Pte Lee’s death.

The committee has full powers and access to both information and personnel to investigate what led to the death, find out the contributing factors, and make recommendations to correct any lapses or inadequacies uncovered.

“Should there be training safety violations, the personnel responsible will be held accountable,” said BG Siew.

https://www.straitstimes.com/singap...nk-for-full-time-national-serviceman-who-died

What is the honor given for ? Can SAF give a citation ?

Did PTE Lee die fighting for the country ?

 

[sweetiepie]

KNN my uncle say if you cannot fight hot or cold weather forget about fighting wars KNN

 

[Valium]

KNN my uncle say if you cannot fight hot or cold weather forget about fighting wars KNN

My auntie say there's nothing to fight, when there is war just deflect to the stronger side.

 

[rotiprata]

KNN my uncle say if you cannot fight hot or cold weather forget about fighting wars KNN

KNN... let's wait and see whether the chee-buy minister hen will say the same as your lan-jiao uncle...

 

[micromachine]

I am a soldier from 1 guards. One of our fellow soldier is currently in critical condition heat stroke (possibly brain dead) due to the reckless behavior of my fellow commanders. I want to bring this to light so that the commanders involved are duly punished and nothing gets hidden as part of the investigation.

Dave is still in critical condition in the hospital, and it has almost been one week since the incident. But there has been rumours that his condition has worsening .

**Illegal turnout**

The night before a 8km fast march (an activity considered high key) our entire recce platoon was turned out after lights out by our sergants, forcing us to bear crawl to the SOC grounds at bedok camp, doing thier usual tekan of making us roll in the sand and have water poured on us, to satisfy their own sadistic pleasure. Asa result we did not have the adequate 7 hours of rest mandated by the traning safety regulation required for our fast march the next day.

**Commanders forcing trainees**

During the fast march, Dave struggled to complete his fast march and was dragged by senior commanders, forcing him to finish the fast march even though he was showing signs of extreme physical exhaution.

Dave collapsed after collecting his timing chip at our company line. We saw Dave breathing frantically, going through delirium, with his tounge out and only the white in his eyes visible. he was not articulate.

**inability of commanders to spot heat exhaustion**

It was obvious that even to an untrained soldier, especially commanders who went to OCS / SCS, that dave was going through Heat Exhaution or even heat stroke. yet they still acted as though there as nothing severe or that he could even be acting "keng"

More at https://www.prolificcrap.com/forum/...h-the-commanders-behind-nsf-guardsman-s-death

 

[Leongsam]

If our soldiers cannot even withstand the rigours of training how on earth are they going to fight a real war should the need arise.

It is better that the SAF weed out the weakest links during times of peace. It is regrettable that it may cost a loss of life once in a while but should key personnel collapse during the heat of battle many more lives could be lost as a result.

 

[Scrooball (clone)]

If our soldiers cannot even withstand the rigours of training how on earth are they going to fight a real war should the need arise.

It is better that the SAF weed out the weakest links during times of peace. It is regrettable that it may cost a loss of life once in a while but should key personnel collapse during the heat of battle many more lives could be lost as a result.

Don't be a twat. Prevention of deaths and injuries are part and parcel of war as well. If he had died despite the best efforts, it would still be ok. But if the above allegations were true, then it is gross negligence.

 

[tanwahtiu]

Hire Ah neh like BE army did....

Cheap slavery army...

If our soldiers cannot even withstand the rigours of training how on earth are they going to fight a real war should the need arise.

It is better that the SAF weed out the weakest links during times of peace. It is regrettable that it may cost a loss of life once in a while but should key personnel collapse during the heat of battle many more lives could be lost as a result.

 

[555]

Private Dave Lee Han Xuan, 19, had received posthumous recognition of the rank of Corporal First Class.

Can SAF please be fair and demote the CO, OC, Safety Officer, PC, CSM and Specs to Corporal First Class since the commanders had so much fun with Dave?