the city state...

[Fook Seng]

population density and home size plays an important part in our reproduction rate. discuss. :o:o:o

some old post for reference here & here

a short excerpt
biology 101. you want the population to reproduce? keep the standards of living AFFORDABLE and CONDUCIVE. stress will keep the rate of population renewal low. the reasons why Singaporeans ain't producing, simple, HDB flats ain't affordable, costs of living is too high, stress level too high, who in the right frame of mind would dare bring his/her child into such stressful environment?

There are two opposing conditions in this analysis.

It is a proven fact that you need a critical mass for a civilisation to flourish and continue to propagate. Below the critical mass, the civilisation will simply go into extinction. But we are well above this critical mass. So have no fear that there is an anthropological reason why the population cannot multiply.

The other opposing condition is that of saturation. This is best illustrated by the breeding of guppies. Guppies by nature breed profusely. One common Chinese name for guppies is, in fact, 生仔鱼. However if you leave guppies to multiply in a tank with limited dimensions, within a short time, the guppies will stop multiplying due to saturation. And in fact, I have personally experienced seeing such
a guppy population decline and eventually reach total annihilation. I think if we continue to squeeze more and more people into limited space and families into pigeon holes, this will be the eventual result.

Of course, the above analysis looks at only the two extremes. In between, there are a lot of things that can be done but we must bear in mind the undesirable effects as we near either of the extremes.

 

[zhihau]

There are two opposing conditions in this analysis.

bro,
noted how me asked about the comfortable range for our population density? :o:o:o

 

[Fook Seng]

bro,
noted how me asked about the comfortable range for our population density? :o:o:o

To me squeezing a family in a pigeon hole is approaching one extreme. The other extreme, if it is LeongSam, it would be the next person must be outside a week's travel? For me, for the size of Singapore, 3 to 4 m will be fine. Such a population can support quite a variety of desirable activities e.g. Good shows, restaurants, sports, interest groups etc without being so congested as to make you feel suffocated.

 

[zhihau]

For me, for the size of Singapore, 3 to 4 m will be fine. Such a population can support quite a variety of desirable activities e.g. Good shows, restaurants, sports, interest groups etc without being so congested as to make you feel suffocated.

with Lucky Tan's recent article, me is thinking there may be an element of truth when he suggested that the TFR and the population density may be well correlated

 

[johnny333]

with Lucky Tan's recent article, me is thinking there may be an element of truth when he suggested that the TFR and the population density may be well correlated

For decades Sporeans must have concluded that there's no future in Spore & voted with their feet. Expect the same to happen because nothing has really changed & some would say it's gotten worse if you are a local.

 

[zhihau]

Expect the same to happen because nothing has really changed & some would say it's gotten worse if you are a local.

with more new citizens in line to replace the local stock, seems like 7K folks per sqkm isn't the limit. we're all screwed :(:(:(

 

[numero uno]

5.2 m at last count cramped in 50 square Km(not 600 sq km as most people are conned into believing as the rest are used for roads , golf courses, factories, useless islands like ubin, bungalows for rich, stupid cemetries for the dead like Bukit brown, etc). and given the humid conditions far worst than HK.
ask yourselves why pollution, dengue, TB, crimes, everything already going downhill or all diseases and stress increased and quality of life worse and this bugger dares to say improves!!!! some cr@p !diots like Liu Tai Ker even has the cheek to lie through his teeth. he even once said this island population should increased to 12 million people!!! ALL hell would break loose while he and his cronies sits coolly in their million dollar bungalows and laugh all the way to the bank. think about it!!!blardy vulgar and most obscene statement.

 

[jw5]

with more new citizens in line to replace the local stock, seems like 7K folks per sqkm isn't the limit. we're all screwed :(:(:(

The solution to this problem is a mandatory homestay programme for all prospective new prs and citizens with the ministars and mos.
I suggested weekly dinner, but I think it was zeddy who suggested homestay, which is much better to integrate and cultivate friendship.

 

[zhihau]

The solution to this problem is a mandatory homestay programme for all prospective new prs and citizens with the ministars and mos.

sounds like a splendid idea!

 

[zhihau]

5.2 m at last count cramped in 50 square Km ... ... think about it!!!blardy vulgar and most obscene statement.

good grief! you're numero uno! good to point that out! how many golf courses do we have in Singapore?

 

[zhihau]

me think me starting to grow a strand of white hair already :*::*::*:

now that MBS and RWS are up and running, we also witnessed the incomplete GBB taking shape, and once the new stadium is up, what next? the underground tunnel cum expressway? or would it be a merry-go-round of SERS and en-bloc across the island?

 

[zhihau]

after reading the papers today, saw a need to rethink the questions posted previously.

is 6m folks really comfortable? sardines would have more dignity

 

[jw5]

after reading the papers today, saw a need to rethink the questions posted previously.

is 6m folks really comfortable? sardines would have more dignity

that's why it would have been great if GMS could have persuaded him to do the homestay programme with local talents and spend one hour of his "precious" time in the morning smelling armpits in the jam-packed mrt........................ :(

 

[zhihau]

spend one hour of his "precious" time in the morning smelling armpits in the jam-packed mrt........................ :(

army boy kuek would report that there's still a lot of space in the MRT carriage when he was taking a ride in it

 

[jw5]

army boy kuek would report that there's still a lot of space in the MRT carriage when he was taking a ride in it

at the very least, cpt goh will go take the mrt with bg lee and make sure that they smell each other's arm-pits............... :p

 

[zhihau]

at the very least, cpt goh will go take the mrt with bg lee and make sure that they smell each other's arm-pits............... :p

bro!!!
6.9 million people!!! crap!!! even canned sardines have more dignity!!!

 

[jw5]

bro!!!
6.9 million people!!! crap!!! even canned sardines have more dignity!!!

Other than continuing to vote them out ala chopsticks doctor, we have to devise ways to ensure that the miws and their family members and close friends face the same problems that the ordinary people do, including being jam-packed in public transport, so that they eventually develop empathy.

One way I thought of is that if any of you ever has a chance to interview an miw family member or friend (as in formerly from PA etc), make them do 20 burpees and star jumps before the interview commences.

Other innovative ways to give them problems without breaking the law are most welcome.

 

[numero uno]

Other than continuing to vote them out ala chopsticks doctor, we have to devise ways to ensure that the miws and their family members and close friends face the same problems that the ordinary people do, including being jam-packed in public transport, so that they eventually develop empathy.

One way I thought of is that if any of you ever has a chance to interview an miw family member or friend (as in formerly from PA etc), make them do 20 burpees and star jumps before the interview commences.

Other innovative ways to give them problems without breaking the law are most welcome.

come 2030 when pop is 8+ million, amidst alot of complaints and breakdown in society, somebody would say he does not have foresight and it's a mistake, let's move on( ie increase to 20 millions people etc). its all a cycle of false apologies and nonsense.

 

[jw5]

come 2030 when pop is 8+ million, amidst alot of complaints and breakdown in society, somebody would say he does not have foresight and it's a mistake, let's move on( ie increase to 20 millions people etc). its all a cycle of false apologies and nonsense.

for sure. that's why we need to come out with innovative ways to help them develop empathy, without doing anything illegal.

the mandatory homestay programme between foreign "talents" and ministars was one example of that, but someone, possibly from the opposition camp needs to kickstart it and convince one of the ministars that it's a good idea which will please the voters.

 

[Asterix]

Other than continuing to vote them out ala chopsticks doctor, we have to devise ways to ensure that the miws and their family members and close friends face the same problems that the ordinary people do, including being jam-packed in public transport, so that they eventually develop empathy.

One way I thought of is that if any of you ever has a chance to interview an miw family member or friend (as in formerly from PA etc), make them do 20 burpees and star jumps before the interview commences.

Other innovative ways to give them problems without breaking the law are most welcome.

A petition against this dumb population policy signed by hundreds of thousands of native Singaporeans would be a good start and it's not illegal. From there, if they still don't listen, then massive protests, Hong Kong style, would be in order - legal or otherwise.

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