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Thailand just needs 5-6 years to dig the Thai Canal
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A weak Asians region don't need another bypass sea route to Indian Ocean.
Now with power China with power gunboats is different.
With China new technologies can build for Thai where 5 eye can't.
With that canal open, Thai and China can build many airbase islands on both sides of the canal with the dugged earth. Nothing goes to waste.
Thai and China shared similar cultures and Gods, and can work together to defend the regions from white supremist USA...
Now with power China with power gunboats is different.
With China new technologies can build for Thai where 5 eye can't.
With that canal open, Thai and China can build many airbase islands on both sides of the canal with the dugged earth. Nothing goes to waste.
Thai and China shared similar cultures and Gods, and can work together to defend the regions from white supremist USA...
Not going to happen. Panama Canal is 82km and saves 15,000km of voyage; Suez Canal is 190km and saves 10,000km. The Kra Canal, if completed, would be 100km but only saves 1,200km. China would rely on its new network of railways from its belt-and-road initiative and the new Arctic shipping route that’s now a year-round option thanks to global warming.
kra krap kanal kabal is kaput.
Panama and Suez are different in geopolitical. Yes it's is needed there for huge economic benefit.
Kra Canal is for strategic geopolitical reasons. It can guarantee China gunboats access to Indian Ocean and bypass the Malacca Straits which the West dominates this lower SEA region.
Cannot trust these Muslim dominated lower SEA States, Malai and Innee too. There is a 180 million Muslim population in Indonesia and that's a higher risk for China if there are 患乱事情发生.
For long term militrary strategic reasons the Kra Canal costs overrights and is priceless.
And with the huge dugged earth from the projects can build huge transhipment hub ports islands in Thai Sea , like Singapore hub port type, in Thailand and render Singapore hub port redundant .....
With IBIR rail links among that Middle East Asia region countries and China, are big cost savings, using Kra Canal Shipment Hub ports.
Then SCS waters will be cleaner and not polluted from ships disels and rubbish dumpings.
With that SCS can be a big place for boating recreations, cruise ships, more artificial islands build for tourism resorts, and marine recreation
will booms that benefits the Middle East Asia countries.
Hope this helps,
psst.... if u think no bullshit click the like button...
Kra Canal is for strategic geopolitical reasons. It can guarantee China gunboats access to Indian Ocean and bypass the Malacca Straits which the West dominates this lower SEA region.
Cannot trust these Muslim dominated lower SEA States, Malai and Innee too. There is a 180 million Muslim population in Indonesia and that's a higher risk for China if there are 患乱事情发生.
For long term militrary strategic reasons the Kra Canal costs overrights and is priceless.
And with the huge dugged earth from the projects can build huge transhipment hub ports islands in Thai Sea , like Singapore hub port type, in Thailand and render Singapore hub port redundant .....
With IBIR rail links among that Middle East Asia region countries and China, are big cost savings, using Kra Canal Shipment Hub ports.
Then SCS waters will be cleaner and not polluted from ships disels and rubbish dumpings.
With that SCS can be a big place for boating recreations, cruise ships, more artificial islands build for tourism resorts, and marine recreation
will booms that benefits the Middle East Asia countries.
Hope this helps,
psst.... if u think no bullshit click the like button...
Thais are indian influenced people. Even the name of their kingdon is in sanskrit.just like singapura.
I was thinking about this.
If they build the canal, it's more to do with makinng thailand the centre of south east asia rather than sinkie.right now, it a obvious Thai attract more tourists, more airlines even without the canal. They have a entire eastern coastline to develop. Plenty of land.
Plus I dunno why they have not expanded suvarnhabhumi airport and are contemplating a third airport.
If the development is done well. It will benefit the south of Thailand economically..n standard of living will rise etc. But with the corruption and forced land acquisition etc that always happens. The whole area will be worst off n might actually set back economic development. Also indon got a big project to develop a new capital city. There is a chance to improve development but the devil is always in the details n with tiong 'investment ' it will be more economic colonisation than development.
5 to 6 years to build, 50 to 600 years to recoup moneys be cause how much money can it save to use the short cut? End up lease concession to china for their navy and commercial fleet give them strategic access to indian ocean which is what they want from the very beginning. Only then can they turn a profit just like a certain industrial park project in the 80s. Very unwise. 
Well, a lot of dugged earth from the project can be used to build artificial islands on both sides of Thailand will offset the costs of the project.
These artificial islands developments will worth more than the costs of the Kra project.
Take that stretch of dugged earth and turn it into an artificial island is big isn't it...
These artificial islands developments will worth more than the costs of the Kra project.
Take that stretch of dugged earth and turn it into an artificial island is big isn't it...
5 to 6 years to build, 50 to 600 years to recoup moneys be cause how much money can it save to use the short cut? End up lease concession to china for their navy and commercial fleet give them strategic access to indian ocean which is what they want from the very beginning. Only then can they turn a profit just like a certain industrial park project in the 80s. Very unwise.
Kra canal is neither going to benefit China nor Thailand , the very reason it never saw any daylight ....for China no matter how it’s vessels carrying strategic goods to and fro East to west it still must sail through the Indian Ocean and face the Indian Navy , what more the Indian Navy itself is stationed in Andaman and Nicobarese islands which is much closer to Thailand , Sumatra than India itself ...in case of war all India has to do is place it’s gun ships and submarines at the choke point and no chinese ships can pass by ....the only alternative for chinese to by pass is to avoid the Indian Ocean completely and build base in Pakistan territory in the Arabian sea , but that too is cumbersome because that gulf is the separatist territory of the Baluchistan who wants freedom from Pakistan
now , Thailand itself is no better than but another Baluchistan as far Kra canal is concerned , since Thailand too has its own seperatist problem in southern Thailand ...were the canal to be build Thailand may actually lose control of its southern border since it would now come under the watch of international community ...something Thai military or its monarch never ever wants
so Sinkie survives by default
now , Thailand itself is no better than but another Baluchistan as far Kra canal is concerned , since Thailand too has its own seperatist problem in southern Thailand ...were the canal to be build Thailand may actually lose control of its southern border since it would now come under the watch of international community ...something Thai military or its monarch never ever wants
so Sinkie survives by default
Let them build and Malaysia can reclaim all the Malay land south of it.
The kra canal will benefit ho chin minh more than Thailand. But thai will need to service the debt.
No lah ! Not Ho Chi Minh but Cambodia ...because Ho Chi Minh city is at the mouth of Mekong river and it’s draft for ships is not that deep whreas the Sihanouville or Kampong Som is deeper berth for ocean going vessels and the route is indeed direct ...could evolve to replace Sinkieland
Let's say a shorter and straight path in and out between India Ocean and SCS for Chinese gunboats make sense than make a U turn in Malaicca Straight.
With China taking on the project seals the fate of US gunboats of ever using the Kra Canal.
Time has come to break the Karma is a bitch of using the U-turn point in SEA.
Singapore was created by BE to install militray facilities of British gunboats. further down BE secured Labuan island in Indonesia to carry out bomb, shoot and sink Chinese gunboats and Chinese cargo boats with opium stocks to head to the West....
For sure as the sun will rise tomorrow, the Kra Canal will be built by the Chinese.
No ifs and no buts.
With China taking on the project seals the fate of US gunboats of ever using the Kra Canal.
Time has come to break the Karma is a bitch of using the U-turn point in SEA.
Singapore was created by BE to install militray facilities of British gunboats. further down BE secured Labuan island in Indonesia to carry out bomb, shoot and sink Chinese gunboats and Chinese cargo boats with opium stocks to head to the West....
For sure as the sun will rise tomorrow, the Kra Canal will be built by the Chinese.
No ifs and no buts.
i absolutely sure China is also under control of the Rothschilds...................the Jews created Communism...............Soviet Union was under Jewish control andso the Cold War was a hoax...............
these Jews will create their own ''enemies'' to create conflict....................the so-called ''opposition'' to the Jews is fake...............
Thailand revives Kra Canal project with a 'land bridge' twist. Can Srettha succeed where others failed?
The land bridge project poses several financial, geopolitical and environmental issues.
Seri Mazliana |
April 01, 2024, 12:16 PM
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Thailand's long-standing deliberation about a new maritime trade route between the Andaman Sea and the Gulf of Thailand has resurfaced, amid Prime Minister Srettha Thavisin's efforts to revive the project and attract foreign investment.
According to Thai English-language news site Thai PBS World, Srettha's government decided in February 2024 to proceed with the 1 trillion baht (S$37 billion) project in Ranong, southern Thailand, after a government-backed feasibility study.
Srettha's vision for a "land bridge" is different from previous attempts to dig a canal through the isthmus of Kra in Southern Thailand.
This project involves constructing two new deep-sea ports on the eastern and western coasts of the isthmus, as well as highway and railway systems connecting the ports, resulting in a connection over land, reported The Bangkok Post.
It is expected to be completed by 2039, with the first phase likely to finish in 2030.
Purpose
The project aims to reduce shipping costs and travel time, and is set to be a maritime trade alternative to the busy Malacca Strait — and Singapore's port.
The Malacca Strait is a narrow waterway between Malaysia and Singapore, but is also the shortest route connecting Asia Pacific to India and the Middle East.
Ships currently take about nine days when travelling through the Malacca Strait, the main maritime trade route in the region.
Based on the feasibility study, the land bridge will cut the travel time down to five days, reported The Bangkok Post.
A 90-kilometre land bridge consisting of roads and railways will be built across the southern part of the country, stretching from Ranong to Chumphon.
The land bridge project will also use the transshipment method, according to Nikkei Asia.
With transshipment, cargo containers would be unloaded from a ship at one port, transported across the land bridge, and then transferred to another ship at the other port headed to the final destination.
Past attempts
The dream of forging a connection through Kra, whether by land or sea, is not new.
The idea was supposedly first suggested by King Narai over 300 years ago, who thought of digging a canal from Songkhla to Burma (present day Myanmar), dating back to 1677.
However, the king consulted a French engineer who told him it was not possible with the technology of the time.
In 1897 and 1946, the British signed agreements with Siam (Thailand's previous name) not to construct an "inter-oceanic canal", so as to protect the importance of their Malayan holdings, including Singapore.
Still, the idea would not fade away.
Governments under subsequent Thai leaders have explored the Kra Canal project and even proposed the idea to foreign parties.
Notable attempts so far:
1972: Chinese-born Thai industrialist KY Chow funds feasibility study on constructing a canal, but plans fell through due to the 1973 Oil Crisis.
1980s: Japan's Mitsubishi Research Institute revisits the study over concerns for Japanese energy imports, but nothing came of it.
2005: Project was revisited by then-Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra, but fell through after he was ousted during a military coup in September 2006.
2015: Thailand and China reportedly signed a Memorandum of Cooperation (MOC) to proceed with the Kra Canal project, under then-Prime Minister Prayut Chan-o-cha's government.
The canal would have been 102-km long, 400 metres wide and 20 metres deep, shortening the journey between the Indian Ocean and the Pacific Ocean by 1,200 km.
However, officials from the two countries later denied the MOC signing.
2017: Prayut Chan-o-cha's military government, reportedly including people with close business ties to China, attempted to convince him to approve a feasibility study on the canal.
This would entail the construction of a "450-metre-wide and 26-metre-deep canal capable of carrying the world's biggest oil tankers, container ships and bulk carriers".
The plan fell through despite reported support from China, as Prayut said that he had "urgent work to finish" and recommended the project be proposed in the next government.
2023: Srettha revived the idea after officially starting his prime minister role in August 2023, with adjustments to the previous proposal such as the construction of a land bridge instead of a canal.
He actively pushed for the revised project and met with foreign potential investors.
2024: Thailand's House of Representatives approved a feasibility study in February 2024 despite opposition and some concerns surrounding the study's reliability.
Challenges
Unlike the Kra Canal, the land bridge project was deemed feasible based on the study.
But it bears its own challenges financially, geopolitically, and environmentally.
Financial
Srettha said that the land bridge project is Thailand's largest investment project after the Suvarnabhumi Airport in Bangkok, The Bangkok Post reported.
The feasibility study revealed that its payback period is 27 years.
The payback period is the length of time an investor needs to recover the amount invested or reach a breakeven.
It also costs more to construct than simply upgrading the underused Songkhla port, the largest port in southern Thailand.
According to Nikkei Asia, Songkhla port director Wathanachai Raunglertpanyakul said that adjusting the port's depth would only cost the government 100 million baht (S$3.7 million) per year.
Political and economic analyst Somjai Phagasisvivat said: "The project may take at least 10 years before it can materialise as it involves attracting investors, analysing the budget, infrastructure and utilities."
Geopolitical
The project also presents geopolitical implications in the region.
According to New Straits Times, Malaysia's ports will be affected by changes in shipping patterns, which may result in "potential loss of logistics, refuelling, and supply services."
And any Kra Canal development might affect the use of Singapore's port, although perhaps not as much as some may think.
According to the ISEAS-Yusof Ishak 2019 study:
"Detractors of the canal remain unconvinced. Their main argument is that a Kra canal is commercially unviable:
That the massive construction costs could not be clawed back from toll fees as shipping companies would be reluctant to bear additional costs just to save two or three days sailing time (especially at a time when the price of oil is low)—
a situation quite unlike the Suez and Panama Canals which save vessels weeks of extra time at sea."
Environmental
Although an environmental impact assessment is still ongoing and expected to finish in September 2024, the project was still met with criticism surrounding environmental issues.
While other large shipping businesses and port operators are starting to become more environmentally friendly, Thailand's logistic ecosystem is reportedly still not meeting international standards.
Former opposition party Move Forward Party leader Pita Limjaroenrat criticised the study and claimed that heritage sites in the areas involved risk being harmed by possible land expropriation and oil leaks, reported The Nation.
He added that the report also failed to confirm the well-being of residents, especially those involved in fishery.
Fate unclear
The first phase of construction will supposedly begin in September 2025 and expected to be completed by September 2030.
However, it is not clear whether Srettha's government will be able to see through the project since the government has yet to tackle the underlying issues presented by its construction, including those found in earlier versions under past governments.
Top photo via Srettha Thavisin/X
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The land bridge project poses several financial, geopolitical and environmental issues.
Seri Mazliana |
April 01, 2024, 12:16 PM
TelegramWhatsapp
Thailand's long-standing deliberation about a new maritime trade route between the Andaman Sea and the Gulf of Thailand has resurfaced, amid Prime Minister Srettha Thavisin's efforts to revive the project and attract foreign investment.
According to Thai English-language news site Thai PBS World, Srettha's government decided in February 2024 to proceed with the 1 trillion baht (S$37 billion) project in Ranong, southern Thailand, after a government-backed feasibility study.
Srettha's vision for a "land bridge" is different from previous attempts to dig a canal through the isthmus of Kra in Southern Thailand.
This project involves constructing two new deep-sea ports on the eastern and western coasts of the isthmus, as well as highway and railway systems connecting the ports, resulting in a connection over land, reported The Bangkok Post.
It is expected to be completed by 2039, with the first phase likely to finish in 2030.
Purpose
The project aims to reduce shipping costs and travel time, and is set to be a maritime trade alternative to the busy Malacca Strait — and Singapore's port.
The Malacca Strait is a narrow waterway between Malaysia and Singapore, but is also the shortest route connecting Asia Pacific to India and the Middle East.
Ships currently take about nine days when travelling through the Malacca Strait, the main maritime trade route in the region.
Based on the feasibility study, the land bridge will cut the travel time down to five days, reported The Bangkok Post.
A 90-kilometre land bridge consisting of roads and railways will be built across the southern part of the country, stretching from Ranong to Chumphon.
The land bridge project will also use the transshipment method, according to Nikkei Asia.
With transshipment, cargo containers would be unloaded from a ship at one port, transported across the land bridge, and then transferred to another ship at the other port headed to the final destination.
Past attempts
The dream of forging a connection through Kra, whether by land or sea, is not new.
The idea was supposedly first suggested by King Narai over 300 years ago, who thought of digging a canal from Songkhla to Burma (present day Myanmar), dating back to 1677.
However, the king consulted a French engineer who told him it was not possible with the technology of the time.
In 1897 and 1946, the British signed agreements with Siam (Thailand's previous name) not to construct an "inter-oceanic canal", so as to protect the importance of their Malayan holdings, including Singapore.
Still, the idea would not fade away.
Governments under subsequent Thai leaders have explored the Kra Canal project and even proposed the idea to foreign parties.
Notable attempts so far:
1972: Chinese-born Thai industrialist KY Chow funds feasibility study on constructing a canal, but plans fell through due to the 1973 Oil Crisis.
1980s: Japan's Mitsubishi Research Institute revisits the study over concerns for Japanese energy imports, but nothing came of it.
2005: Project was revisited by then-Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra, but fell through after he was ousted during a military coup in September 2006.
2015: Thailand and China reportedly signed a Memorandum of Cooperation (MOC) to proceed with the Kra Canal project, under then-Prime Minister Prayut Chan-o-cha's government.
The canal would have been 102-km long, 400 metres wide and 20 metres deep, shortening the journey between the Indian Ocean and the Pacific Ocean by 1,200 km.
However, officials from the two countries later denied the MOC signing.
2017: Prayut Chan-o-cha's military government, reportedly including people with close business ties to China, attempted to convince him to approve a feasibility study on the canal.
This would entail the construction of a "450-metre-wide and 26-metre-deep canal capable of carrying the world's biggest oil tankers, container ships and bulk carriers".
The plan fell through despite reported support from China, as Prayut said that he had "urgent work to finish" and recommended the project be proposed in the next government.
2023: Srettha revived the idea after officially starting his prime minister role in August 2023, with adjustments to the previous proposal such as the construction of a land bridge instead of a canal.
He actively pushed for the revised project and met with foreign potential investors.
2024: Thailand's House of Representatives approved a feasibility study in February 2024 despite opposition and some concerns surrounding the study's reliability.
Challenges
Unlike the Kra Canal, the land bridge project was deemed feasible based on the study.
But it bears its own challenges financially, geopolitically, and environmentally.
Financial
Srettha said that the land bridge project is Thailand's largest investment project after the Suvarnabhumi Airport in Bangkok, The Bangkok Post reported.
The feasibility study revealed that its payback period is 27 years.
The payback period is the length of time an investor needs to recover the amount invested or reach a breakeven.
It also costs more to construct than simply upgrading the underused Songkhla port, the largest port in southern Thailand.
According to Nikkei Asia, Songkhla port director Wathanachai Raunglertpanyakul said that adjusting the port's depth would only cost the government 100 million baht (S$3.7 million) per year.
Political and economic analyst Somjai Phagasisvivat said: "The project may take at least 10 years before it can materialise as it involves attracting investors, analysing the budget, infrastructure and utilities."
Geopolitical
The project also presents geopolitical implications in the region.
According to New Straits Times, Malaysia's ports will be affected by changes in shipping patterns, which may result in "potential loss of logistics, refuelling, and supply services."
And any Kra Canal development might affect the use of Singapore's port, although perhaps not as much as some may think.
According to the ISEAS-Yusof Ishak 2019 study:
"Detractors of the canal remain unconvinced. Their main argument is that a Kra canal is commercially unviable:
That the massive construction costs could not be clawed back from toll fees as shipping companies would be reluctant to bear additional costs just to save two or three days sailing time (especially at a time when the price of oil is low)—
a situation quite unlike the Suez and Panama Canals which save vessels weeks of extra time at sea."
Environmental
Although an environmental impact assessment is still ongoing and expected to finish in September 2024, the project was still met with criticism surrounding environmental issues.
While other large shipping businesses and port operators are starting to become more environmentally friendly, Thailand's logistic ecosystem is reportedly still not meeting international standards.
Former opposition party Move Forward Party leader Pita Limjaroenrat criticised the study and claimed that heritage sites in the areas involved risk being harmed by possible land expropriation and oil leaks, reported The Nation.
He added that the report also failed to confirm the well-being of residents, especially those involved in fishery.
Fate unclear
The first phase of construction will supposedly begin in September 2025 and expected to be completed by September 2030.
However, it is not clear whether Srettha's government will be able to see through the project since the government has yet to tackle the underlying issues presented by its construction, including those found in earlier versions under past governments.
Top photo via Srettha Thavisin/X
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