the Ming dynasty had more important and pressing issues like the barbarians from outside the pass were still a significant military threat therefore they chose to divert whatever available troops, money and resources to defend against the barbarians. those ships building and voyages which required lots of money, manpower and resources have to be ended. later the Ming's sea ban was to contend against the Japanese pirates whom were seriously threatening the peoples' safety and livelihood in the coastal provinces. anyway the rest of the world was just inferior barbarians to the mighty Ming dynasty therefore they probably lost interest in those sea voyage explorations as time passed.
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Tea is another Hokkiens’ contribution to the world
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the Ming dynasty had more important and pressing issues like the barbarians from outside the pass were still a significant military threat therefore they chose to divert whatever available troops, money and resources to defend against the barbarians. those ships building and voyages which required lots of money, manpower and resources have to be ended. later the Ming's sea ban was to contend against the Japanese pirates whom were seriously threatening the peoples' safety and livelihood in the coastal provinces. anyway the rest of the world was just inferior barbarians to the mighty Ming dynasty therefore they probably lost interest in those sea voyage explorations as time passed.
yeah. some Hokkien and Japanese words pronunciation are quite similar. i don't know Cantonese so can't say about Cantonese - Japanese similarity. after you finished learning Japanese, try Korean. it is said it is easy to learn Korean if you know Japanese, they are quite similar languages.
if ming china were to retain and grow their naval power through to 1592, they would have deterred the japs from invading korea and laying waste to the cuntry. after all, hideyoshi's objective (after sengoku jidai) was to conquer china and install himself as emperor of a combined china, korea, Japan. if ming were not fighting mongols and manchus in the north, they would be fighting japs. by the time ming committed huge navies and armies to korea in the 2nd jap invasion during imjinwaeren in 1597, the koreans had figured out how to contain and defeat the japs. the presence of ming troops and sailors in korea were a nuisance to the best korean generals and admiral yi sun shin. in fact, yi sun shin not only singlehandedly contained the japs by sea but he had nothing good to say about the ming navy. ming ships were slapstick river boats and junks and not designed and built to fight even jap pirates. the korean navy then under yi was the most feared with small outnumbered fleets capable of inflicting destruction and despair on any of the two massive navies. the use of cannons in the north against mongols and manchus by able ming generals were able to contain any major invasions. defeat and fall of ming were mainly due to internal strifes and rebellion, and intense court battles between eunuchs and officials. if there was no korean navy and admiral yi, japs would have invaded ming china with new sengoku jidai tactics using mass peasant infantry with arquebus and yari. and they would easily defeat both mongols and manchus combined. it would not have been a qing china but a toyotomi china. this is why the prc today is adamant about going all out and building a superlative superpower navy. no powerful navy, no china.
China historically can't be conquered from the south or the seas, only conquered from north to south with few exceptions. from the 16th century, maritime dominance was important, a strong navy will protect your shores proximity and also the economically vital sea lanes. it is regrettable that the later Ming and the subsequent Qing dynasties did not understand the navy's importance and lucrative sea trades in the changing world when European powers came by the sea to trade and later its powerful navies to colonize Asia.
the japs under hideyoshi weren't trying to conquer china by sea. they were using korea as a land bridge to stage massive armies and invade china. in fact, hideyoshi first sent envoys to the korean king to allow his army passage through korea. korea refused and did ming a favor, but ming was too much caught up with her northern border incursions and the defense of the great wall. they should have learned from emperor wu of han during the han-xiongnu war. best defense is offense. destroy and subjugate the nomadic habitats north and their populations, and they would not rise (again) for another hundred years.
Wow..History lessons for me here by The Right Honourable @eatshitndie 
Ya there were chinese traitor dogs in Song Dynasty helping to train up the mongol and that’s why they won. But they were not hokkiens. One was an Arab descendant and the other was from Jin side. I talked about this in Song Dynasty thread before.
When did I claim to be expert in Chinese or world history? I never studied China or world history in school and only read up after I left school. I am just sharing my insights on hokkien contributions to the world from tea to ketchup to sea ban which are ALL proven FACTS ok?
And hokkien province was the centre for ship building and trading in Song Dynasty is another fact isn’t it @eatshitndie? If there is no 200 year ban from 13xx to 15xx, wouldn’t the hokkien superb ship building skills have progressed and Hokkiens could have travelled and discovered America?
Hey psychopath eunuch those chinese traitor dogs that I said helped trained up Mongol navy was not from Hokkien province but Jin side ok. The other one was Arab descendant with Chinese name.
Does this mean that at least some of the beloved ancestors of @ginfreely were "Chinese traitor dogs 走狗汉奸":
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Hokkiens discover America...
Must as well say IF You aren't Greedy and didn't buy property in Johore, you would be a happier person today. At least that's more realistic.
Come to think of it @musashi eunuch exactly fit to a T the description of evil 东厂西厂eunuch in Ming dynasty. LOL
In other words, if there is no sea ban, hokkien province would continue to flourish just like it did in Tang and Song Dynasty isn’t it? Hokkien was ship building center, did well in trading and produced many scholars then. All are facts ok.
If there is no sea ban Hokkiens need to become smugglers to do trading? and how to expect improvement in hokkien ship building skills under such harsh conditions of fighting stupid sea ban for 200 years?
Your blame others but yourself mentality is showing....Just like if PAP had allowed you to buy BTO, you wouldn't buy JB property and get stuck in this shit state type of argument and mindset
Lol ... Always blaming others, never your own self is your trademark.
Ya I read about those that claimed the sea ban was due to Japanese piracy but that was just an excuse. How can treat a disease on the arm by chopping off the arm right? It’s the evil Ming emperor that wanted to close the country to cut off all financial support of insurgent against himself. You see everything jives from the way he set up massive spying network and preventing social movements and physical movements of people within one mile of home etc.
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