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frenchbriefs

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I actually don't see the need for a a circuit breaker because the numbers show that infections rates a flattening out and Singapore is well on the way to recovery.

Perhaps they are trying to speed up the process somewhat but in my opinion that would be a mistake as it denies many of the chance of gaining immunity.

My main concern is that all these measures taken to prevent the spread of the virus will come back to bite us if the virus mutates and returns in a more lethal form. It will mean that the death toll will be a lot higher come round 2.

Herd immunity is still the best way to go. The problem is that it has become politically unacceptable to do what is logical.

A slight drop in numbers over a couple of days is not recovery,u are projecting too much......now the cases reported just spiked by 120.

Honestly this covid is starting to become a nuisance,I mean a partial drop in human traffic is great but this reaction is really annoying.
 

Leongsam

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A slight drop in numbers over a couple of days is not recovery,u are projecting too much......now the cases reported just spiked by 120.

Honestly this covid is starting to become a nuisance,I mean a partial drop in human traffic is great but this reaction is really annoying.

I'm just looking at the graphs in both linear and log scale and the stats tell the story. Of course things can change and if that happens the stats will reveal just how significant the change is.

The biggest change in my opinion is the ramp up of testing rather than an increase in infections. Without data showing the test capability ramp up there is no way of telling. That is why everyone is trying to draw conclusions without being able to see the big picture.
 

nayr69sg

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I'm just looking at the graphs in both linear and log scale and the stats tell the story. Of course things can change and if that happens the stats will reveal just how significant the change is.

The biggest change in my opinion is the ramp up of testing rather than an increase in infections. Without data showing the test capability ramp up there is no way of telling. That is why everyone is trying to draw conclusions without being able to see the big picture.
100% agree with you Sam.

Number of new cases detected is actually totally irrelevant if you do not also report how many tests were done in that 24h period.

There shoudl be reporting of delta change in new cases with delta change in number of tests conducted.

If the delta for cases is way more than the delta for tests conducted then you can say Yup definitely there is more spread.
 

frenchbriefs

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I'm just looking at the graphs in both linear and log scale and the stats tell the story. Of course things can change and if that happens the stats will reveal just how significant the change is.

The biggest change in my opinion is the ramp up of testing rather than an increase in infections. Without data showing the test capability ramp up there is no way of telling. That is why everyone is trying to draw conclusions without being able to see the big picture.

Yeah still I think the problem is the sample size is too small,ur looking at the graph whether linear or log over a couple of days or weeks.......kinda reminds me of the stock market and trading....u look at the chart of a stock over the last few weeks and think hey things seems to be looking better,turning around....from what I can tell from this graph

But then when u zoom out over the span of a couple of years,u realise it's just irelevant noise or movement in the span of the long run.
 

Leongsam

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Yeah still I think the problem is the sample size is too small,ur looking at the graph whether linear or log over a couple of days or weeks.......kinda reminds me of the stock market and trading....u look at the chart of a stock over the last few weeks and think hey things seems to be looking better,turning around....from what I can tell from this graph

But then when u zoom out over the span of a couple of years,u realise it's just irelevant noise or movement in the span of the long run.

My gut feel is that when we look back in history a couple of years down the road the stats will show just how insignificant Covid-19 was in the overall mortality rates worldwide.

However the economic stats will tell a different story. It will show just what a huge hole mankind dug itself into over such a minor issue.

As for all these Covid-19 tracker reports they all make no sense. I still keep referring back to Vietnam. Huge population, packed like sardines in Hanoi, HCM city etc total population almost 100 million almost 1/3 the population of the USA.

Their stats is 241 cases and ZERO deaths! Something is just not right. Are people dying like flies but everything is swept under the carpet? I don't think so because I have friends in HCM, in Baoloc and in Hanoi. They have access to facebook, whatsapp, telegram etc. There is no giant firewall at all. It's a pretty open society. There are no horror stories, no body bags, no people dying on the streets. The government has imposed 2 week lockdowns here and there regionally and are pretty good at contact tracing but I don't believe they are any better than Singapore. There are loads of homeless people, the poor are cramped 20 to a small house, the nursing homes are not a pretty site.

Only 241 cases?? Is it something in the water? their diet? their immune systems, agent orange??? Even if the actual number is 2410 it is still mind boggling.
 

nayr69sg

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My gut feel is that when we look back in history a couple of years down the road the stats will show just how insignificant Covid-19 was in the overall mortality rates worldwide.

However the economic stats will tell a different story. It will show just what a huge hole mankind dug itself into over such a minor issue.

As for all these Covid-19 tracker reports they all make no sense. I still keep referring back to Vietnam. Huge population, packed like sardines in Hanoi, HCM city etc total population almost 100 million almost 1/3 the population of the USA.

Their stats is 241 cases and ZERO deaths! Something is just not right. Are people dying like flies but everything is swept under the carpet? I don't think so because I have friends in HCM, in Baoloc and in Hanoi. They have access to facebook, whatsapp, telegram etc. There is no giant firewall at all. It's a pretty open society. There are no horror stories, no body bags, no people dying on the streets. The government has imposed 2 week lockdowns here and there regionally and are pretty good at contact tracing but I don't believe they are any better than Singapore. There are loads of homeless people, the poor are cramped 20 to a small house, the nursing homes are not a pretty site.

Only 241 cases?? Is it something in the water? their diet? their immune systems, agent orange??? Even if the actual number is 2410 it is still mind boggling.
How many tests are being done in Vietnam?

I do think that the economic recovery will be quite swift actually. In fact it is a good time for infrastructure building and all the things that we wanted to do but could not because of environmentalists.

So perhaps this is a mastermind plan from right wingers.
 

Leongsam

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How many tests are being done in Vietnam?

I do think that the economic recovery will be quite swift actually. In fact it is a good time for infrastructure building and all the things that we wanted to do but could not because of environmentalists.

So perhaps this is a mastermind plan from right wingers.

I have no idea what Vietnam's testing capacity is but if they were not testing while people were dying en masse we would have ghastly images being broadcast on facebook, telegram etc from their hospitals (like from Italy). I can't find any. When I sent a telegram message to my friends there they said all's good.
 

frenchbriefs

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My gut feel is that when we look back in history a couple of years down the road the stats will show just how insignificant Covid-19 was in the overall mortality rates worldwide.

However the economic stats will tell a different story. It will show just what a huge hole mankind dug itself into over such a minor issue.

As for all these Covid-19 tracker reports they all make no sense. I still keep referring back to Vietnam. Huge population, packed like sardines in Hanoi, HCM city etc total population almost 100 million almost 1/3 the population of the USA.

Their stats is 241 cases and ZERO deaths! Something is just not right. Are people dying like flies but everything is swept under the carpet? I don't think so because I have friends in HCM, in Baoloc and in Hanoi. They have access to facebook, whatsapp, telegram etc. There is no giant firewall at all. It's a pretty open society. There are no horror stories, no body bags, no people dying on the streets. The government has imposed 2 week lockdowns here and there regionally and are pretty good at contact tracing but I don't believe they are any better than Singapore. There are loads of homeless people, the poor are cramped 20 to a small house, the nursing homes are not a pretty site.

Only 241 cases?? Is it something in the water? their diet? their immune systems, agent orange??? Even if the actual number is 2410 it is still mind boggling.

I wouldn't call 50,000 dead in a couple of weeks insignificant.....it's already surpassed SARS I believe which had a mortality rate of 11%......also covid is not as contagious as measles or small pox otherwise we would be seeing rampant epidemics.

Also America is now at 330,000 cases,4 times higher than China ever reported,thats tons of potential right there.

The economics part will be interesting.....I doubt we will all end up in the poorhouse from the economy collapse,it's more like everything is put on hold.i guess when we finally hit the wall and people start running out of money,they will come back out to work ccovid or not....it's kinda weird cause we see today's economy as some massive indecipherable enigma,compared to 1000 years ago.....but the fundamentals are probably the same,once people run out of food and resources they will start going out to
 

Leongsam

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I wouldn't call 50,000 dead in a couple of weeks insignificant.....i

There is a big difference between 50,000 people dead vs 50,000 MORE people dead. This is the crucial difference that is conveniently being swept under the carpet.

No figure can ever be taken in isolation. It needs to presented in the correct perspective.


Understanding the Global Death Rate: How Many Die Each Day and More Facts


Understanding The Global Death Rate How Many Die Each Day And More Facts

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According to the World Mortality 2017 report published by the United Nations, the number of deaths in 2015 was 56.567 million. This means that an average of 155,224 human deaths occur each day. This also translates to nearly 6,500 deaths per hour, 107 deaths per minute, and about two deaths per second. Based on the same report, approximately 30.97 million deaths occurred in Asia, 10.59 million in Africa, 8.1 million in Europe, 3.7 million in Latin America and the Caribbean, 2.9 million in North America, and 265,000 in Oceania. Updated numbers can be found here.


Leading Causes of Death

In another study published in 2017, the number of deaths was nearly identical to the UN’s report at 56 million deaths. The leading causes of death are cardiovascular diseases, cancer, and respiratory diseases.

Cardiovascular diseases ranked first, causing the death of some 17.79 million people worldwide. Far behind at second is cancer with 9.56 million deaths, and respiratory diseases at third with 3.91 million deaths.

Rounding up the top 10 killers in the world are lower respiratory infections, dementia, digestive diseases, neonatal disorders, diarrheal diseases, diabetes, and liver diseases. Interestingly, deaths due to road accidents worldwide are nearly as high as liver diseases, which is at 1.2 and 1.3 million, respectively.

Deaths by Age

Both the UN’s report and the Global Burden of Disease study indicate that fewer people died before the age of 65. In the UN report, 55% of the 56 million deaths were of people aged 65 and above, while those aged 25 to 65 made up only 29% of the deaths. Deaths by people aged five to 25 comprised only 5%. Children aged five and under account for final 11% of the deaths.

The Global Burden of Disease study on the other hand, found that 49% of the 56 million deaths in 2017 were of people over the age of 70. An estimated 27% of the deaths were of people between 50 to 69 years old, 14% were people between 15 to 49 years old, 1% died between ages five and 14, while some 14% of the deaths were children aged 5 years old and below.

How Many Die Each Day in the US

The CDC reports that there were 2,813,503 registered deaths in the US in 2017. This averages out to around 7,700 deaths per day, 321 per hour, and five deaths per minute. Of this 2.8 million deaths, approximately one million were non-Hispanic black males, while 885,000 were non-Hispanic white males. More deaths were also recorded for non-Hispanic black females at 728,000 followed by non-Hispanic white females at 642,000.

Leading Causes of Death in the US

The top two leading killers in the US for 2017, according to the CDC, are cardiovascular diseases and cancer. Unlike the UN report, however, the numbers are much closer. Deaths due to cardiovascular diseases in 2017 were 165,000, while cancer killed some 155,000 Americans in the same year. Unintentional injuries were the third leading cause of death in the US with 49,000. Other top causes of death in the country are lower respiratory diseases, stroke, Alzheimer’s disease, diabetes, pneumonia, kidney disease, and suicide.

Life Expectancy in the US

According to the CDC, life expectancy at birth for the entire US population was 78.6 years in 2017. Males have a life expectancy of 76.1 years, while the life expectancy for females is 81.1.
 

frenchbriefs

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There is a big difference between 50,000 people dead vs 50,000 MORE people dead. This is the crucial difference that is conveniently being swept under the carpet.

No figure can ever be taken in isolation. It needs to presented in the correct perspective.


Understanding the Global Death Rate: How Many Die Each Day and More Facts



Understanding The Global Death Rate How Many Die Each Day And More Facts

Credit: [Pixabay/Pexels]

According to the World Mortality 2017 report published by the United Nations, the number of deaths in 2015 was 56.567 million. This means that an average of 155,224 human deaths occur each day. This also translates to nearly 6,500 deaths per hour, 107 deaths per minute, and about two deaths per second. Based on the same report, approximately 30.97 million deaths occurred in Asia, 10.59 million in Africa, 8.1 million in Europe, 3.7 million in Latin America and the Caribbean, 2.9 million in North America, and 265,000 in Oceania. Updated numbers can be found here.


Leading Causes of Death

In another study published in 2017, the number of deaths was nearly identical to the UN’s report at 56 million deaths. The leading causes of death are cardiovascular diseases, cancer, and respiratory diseases.

Cardiovascular diseases ranked first, causing the death of some 17.79 million people worldwide. Far behind at second is cancer with 9.56 million deaths, and respiratory diseases at third with 3.91 million deaths.

Rounding up the top 10 killers in the world are lower respiratory infections, dementia, digestive diseases, neonatal disorders, diarrheal diseases, diabetes, and liver diseases. Interestingly, deaths due to road accidents worldwide are nearly as high as liver diseases, which is at 1.2 and 1.3 million, respectively.

Deaths by Age

Both the UN’s report and the Global Burden of Disease study indicate that fewer people died before the age of 65. In the UN report, 55% of the 56 million deaths were of people aged 65 and above, while those aged 25 to 65 made up only 29% of the deaths. Deaths by people aged five to 25 comprised only 5%. Children aged five and under account for final 11% of the deaths.

The Global Burden of Disease study on the other hand, found that 49% of the 56 million deaths in 2017 were of people over the age of 70. An estimated 27% of the deaths were of people between 50 to 69 years old, 14% were people between 15 to 49 years old, 1% died between ages five and 14, while some 14% of the deaths were children aged 5 years old and below.

How Many Die Each Day in the US

The CDC reports that there were 2,813,503 registered deaths in the US in 2017. This averages out to around 7,700 deaths per day, 321 per hour, and five deaths per minute. Of this 2.8 million deaths, approximately one million were non-Hispanic black males, while 885,000 were non-Hispanic white males. More deaths were also recorded for non-Hispanic black females at 728,000 followed by non-Hispanic white females at 642,000.

Leading Causes of Death in the US

The top two leading killers in the US for 2017, according to the CDC, are cardiovascular diseases and cancer. Unlike the UN report, however, the numbers are much closer. Deaths due to cardiovascular diseases in 2017 were 165,000, while cancer killed some 155,000 Americans in the same year. Unintentional injuries were the third leading cause of death in the US with 49,000. Other top causes of death in the country are lower respiratory diseases, stroke, Alzheimer’s disease, diabetes, pneumonia, kidney disease, and suicide.

Life Expectancy in the US

According to the CDC, life expectancy at birth for the entire US population was 78.6 years in 2017. Males have a life expectancy of 76.1 years, while the life expectancy for females is 81.1.

There's no point comparing the deaths of everything to covid which is a single cause....what's the logic in that....
 

Leongsam

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There's no point comparing the deaths of everything to covid which is a single cause....what's the logic in that....

Because there is no such thing as a single cause of death in old age. What is happening is that in the majority of cases covid-19 is not changing how many people die each day all it is doing is reclassifying the cause of death.
 

CPTMiller

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Exactly right....we are on a "need-to-know" basis and we did not need to know then.

Circuit breaker...kam lan !!!!
What's the point they release full figure to you. What can we do?? Other then cursing and scolding. The full authority in their hand and they can implement this and that. We just follow order only.
 

SBFNews

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I’ll put my finger on the 250-300 mark.
Pent up numbers for the last few days... wouldn't be surprised... must as well released and lump all one shot on eve of Circuit Breaker lockdown. Then futire numbers look better.
 
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