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Sun Ho in police complex for 8 hours

Queen,

Of course members can give voluntarily - that's no crime.

But it is a crime to (discovery-in-progress) perform deception & frradulent account transfers.

Also conflict of interest & related party transactions may constitute corruption & cheating.

Court conviction is one element.

When the full facts are revealed upon completion of investigation, the public court of opinion matters as much since they are in the game of winning public opinion or in CHC lingo, to win the 'Marketplace'.

Pls spare Rams. He has sportingly shared his police general knowledge as best as he can, some more he is not CAD-trained. People here still ask him to print out details of statute wordings.... Sheesh... google & search yourself !

anyway, in town, people oredy said Orchard Flooding is sign of CHC flock's power of prayers .... their prayers show God unhappy with CAD's 'grilling' of Sun Ho.

No Sun, so rain! Can I hear Amen ?! ROFLOL !!! :eek::eek::eek:
 
the year of the tiger will not be good for horses. because this year they are only 马马虎虎 :D
 
anyway, in town, people oredy said Orchard Flooding is sign of CHC flock's power of prayers .... their prayers show God unhappy with CAD's 'grilling' of Sun Ho.

No Sun, so rain! Can I hear Amen ?! ROFLOL !!! :eek::eek::eek:

Could it be GOD unhappy because LKY forced people to drink Sewage Water and blocked dirty water flowing out of Marina?
 
The investigation has to be completed before the decision to prosecute can be made. Then the appropriate charges can be made.

Obviously it is serious for the Commissioner of Charities to call in the cops. Its even more serious that they did a simultaneous dawn rate. The fact that Kong Hee went into hiding is quite telling.

I don't think you will have wait long to find out about the charges.

I would not worry too much. If he is convicted, the usual approach is to blame satan and when he is released he would thank god from saving him and he will renew his faith. This is when he will ask for donations for the greater glory of god and you can do the usual.





So can you tell us which particular Act of Statutes the purported 'crimes' of KH would come under ?
 
CAD is damn lazy. They will not investigate from scratch simply on a complaint.

However, if they do bother to investigate, it probably means that someone had already fed them with some substantial evidence.

They uncovered the evidence long long time ago.
After the NKF saga...... audits turned up irregularities in the CHC accounting system.... but they decide to proceed with Botak's Renci first...... it was only a matter of time before they move on to CHC.

Inside info is they have more than enough to proceed with criminal charges but just tying up some loose ends..... typical kiasu mentality. :p
 
I haved stated this here before - that the investigation on CHC and pistor kong started a long way back.....

I kena hatam by his CHC brainwashed kids....
 
I haved stated this here before - that the investigation on CHC and pistor kong started a long way back.....

I kena hatam by his CHC brainwashed kids....

Where? let me throw holy water at them, see whether they will burn or not, hehehehe
 
They uncovered the evidence long long time ago.
After the NKF saga...... audits turned up irregularities in the CHC accounting system.... but they decide to proceed with Botak's Renci first...... it was only a matter of time before they move on to CHC.

Inside info is they have more than enough to proceed with criminal charges but just tying up some loose ends..... typical kiasu mentality. :p

Its not kiasu, CAD has only one chance to nail them (so they cannot fail) and has to make sure everything is water tight.
 
Its not kiasu, CAD has only one chance to nail them (so they cannot fail) and has to make sure everything is water tight.

Then they should get NCC also, NCC is covering their asses now :D:D
 
Then they should get NCC also, NCC is covering their asses now :D:D

They can work on both cases in the background but nail them one at a time. If they can nail CHC successfully, that will give them the confidence and experience to nail NCC. If they fail, that can also serve as an good experience for them to be better prepared in nailing NCC.

Remember that you can cover your ass, but there will be shit remnants that you cannot see or smell. Once they scrape it out, you will be in deep shit!
 
There have be previous complaints of abuse and these are common place for societies, clubs and organisations such as these. In fact they were all cleared and Kong Hee made it to the the ultimate position for the National Day Speech in terms of protocol - seated together with council of religious leaders for the 1st time for last ND speech. Previously it was with the general lot.

This was a recent development. This complaint to the Commissioner of Charities had details and chronology of the abuse and the proxies clearly identified. Thus the simulataneous raid in order that they do not have opportunity to collaborate. Note the number of people picked up. This would not be possible if someone in the lot did not give clear dates and details. Typically investigation commence with one or two people getting interviewed and interrogated and the net then widens. Not in this case. Except for Sun who was based overseas, the rest was here.

Cheating, CBT cases etc generally are not given remand orders by the courts and only police bail. You can't keep them incommunicado.

NKF and Renci too had string of previous complaints. Singapore Recreation Club probably has the most number of complaints, police reports lodged against it. One day, something might happen and I am sure your sources will tell you the same thing. Its the same with Tanglin Club, both the Swimming Clubs etc.

They uncovered the evidence long long time ago.
After the NKF saga...... audits turned up irregularities in the CHC accounting system.... but they decide to proceed with Botak's Renci first...... it was only a matter of time before they move on to CHC.

Inside info is they have more than enough to proceed with criminal charges but just tying up some loose ends..... typical kiasu mentality. :p
 
Not for profit organisations like NKF, Renci, Clubs, Churches are generally prone to abuse as societies act and various statutory laws recognises that members have the role to set direction for the these organisation and ensure its good conduct. All their financials are private.

If I had my way, I would legislate that any organisation including not for profit organisations that collect more than $100k from their members must declare their audited financials publicly on their website. It must have disclosure in terms of remuneration paid, and the amount expended and for what purposes.

What was previously volunteer based is now attractive to vultures and wolfs and there too many gullible sheep. The fastest growing pay scale is not the PAP. It is actually these charities and churches. When Vincent Lam left the Police Force as a Corporal to run Teen Challenge, the first day on the job, he pruchased a BMW. The vounteers paid for everything while he travelled on conferences. Look at Singapore Cricket Club. All local professionals but the Ang Mo they hired ended up hiring underqualified more underqualified ang mo who entertain their ang mo friend rather than do their work.

Even if the laws are not amended, I wish volunteer organisations publish their financials for public scrutiny for the sake of society.






They can work on both cases in the background but nail them one at a time. If they can nail CHC successfully, that will give them the confidence and experience to nail NCC. If they fail, that can also serve as an good experience for them to be better prepared in nailing NCC.

Remember that you can cover your ass, but there will be shit remnants that you cannot see or smell. Once they scrape it out, you will be in deep shit!
 
Its not kiasu, CAD has only one chance to nail them (so they cannot fail) and has to make sure everything is water tight.

They screwd the container so hard that, water burst at Orchard Rd yesterday...:D
 
What was previously volunteer based is now attractive to vultures and wolfs and there too many gullible sheep......

Even if the laws are not amended, I wish volunteer organisations publish their financials for public scrutiny for the sake of society.

It helps somewhat if there are the likes of dennis distant, narayana etc who are members of these golf/social clubs, societies etc. I've seen them ask probing questions on the financials at some agms.
 
Not for profit organisations like NKF, Renci, Clubs, Churches are generally prone to abuse as societies act and various statutory laws recognises that members have the role to set direction for the these organisation and ensure its good conduct. All their financials are private.

If I had my way, I would legislate that any organisation including not for profit organisations that collect more than $100k from their members must declare their audited financials publicly on their website. It must have disclosure in terms of remuneration paid, and the amount expended and for what purposes.

What was previously volunteer based is now attractive to vultures and wolfs and there too many gullible sheep. The fastest growing pay scale is not the PAP. It is actually these charities and churches. When Vincent Lam left the Police Force as a Corporal to run Teen Challenge, the first day on the job, he pruchased a BMW. The vounteers paid for everything while he travelled on conferences. Look at Singapore Cricket Club. All local professionals but the Ang Mo they hired ended up hiring underqualified more underqualified ang mo who entertain their ang mo friend rather than do their work.

Even if the laws are not amended, I wish volunteer organisations publish their financials for public scrutiny for the sake of society.

Vincent Lam says he's not like that other charity boss
By Jasmine Yin, TODAY | Posted: 13 February 2007 1032 hrs

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He says he flew economy class or on budget carriers — forget flying first-class or on Singapore Airlines.

And when he went overseas, he often stayed at inexpensive hostels.

Mr Vincent Lam (picture), the under-fire charity boss who stepped down after more than two decades of heading Youth Challenge, yesterday came out to refute the allegations against him.

The Commissioner of Charities recently raised concerns about Mr Lam's monthly $13,000 pay and weak internal controls at the charity he founded in 1985. Since the inquiry report was released around the time that the National Kidney Foundation's (NKF) civil suit against its former chief executive T T Durai and ex-board members was in full flow, some comparisons were drawn.

But Mr Lam said he ran his charity very differently from the way Mr Durai ran the NKF. "If people want to compare me with him and judge me, then I just let them be," said Mr Lam.

To underline his commitment to Youth Challenge, he told Today that in 1999, he had nominated the charity as the sole beneficiary of his Central Provident Fund savings, which amount to about $400,000. It was also the nominee, in the event of his death, of two insurance policies.

"It's as good as saying that whatever I got from Youth Challenge will go back to Youth Challenge. It's like I am working for free because I don't think any employee in Singapore will give everything he has back to his employer," Mr Lam, 45, said.

To criticism that he ran the charity as a one-man show, the former policeman said: "It's a 10-person job but with one-man pay. It's different."

Mr Lam said he was speaking out yesterday to correct "some wrong information reported".

Among these was that his salary in 2005 was more than half (56 per cent) of the charity's income. In fact, it was just about a third (34.75 per cent), said Mr Lam.

The Commissioner's report said that some $42,000 worth of pens to be sold to raise funds were not properly recorded and tracked. This figure, Mr Lam pointed out, should be less than $3,500. The unsold pens, which are still in the Youth Challenge's office, will be donated to orphans in Third World countries, as per "normal practice".

"I don't know where the figures (in the Commissioner's report) are from. My figures are from the audited statements of accounts by Ernst and Young, a top auditing firm. I am releasing the statement based on what I know," he said.

Mr Lam hopes to get "closure" after speaking out.

His starting salary was $2,200 and he "voluntarily gave up" three years of annual increments.

He said that his gratuity payout — given after every five years — had been introduced by a previous board to retain staff.

"In Youth Challenge, there is no structure for advancement and promotion. Also, because of the volume of work, employees often don't stay long. Many leave within two years," Mr Lam said in his statement.

He said that for about 15 years he did not take any leave.

Mr Lam reiterated that the Commissioner's inquiry "did not mention any case of fraud or misappropriation or mismanagement of funds". The investigating auditors Deloitte and Touche were extremely thorough, he said. "They even questioned me on how I disposed of a typewriter that Youth Challenge had purchased 20 years ago."

And he clarified that he did not resign because he found out that the new board had cut his pay by half — something he only learnt about through the media, he added.

Said Mr Lam: "If you want to reduce the pay for your staff, you cannot inform them through the newspaper. This change should also take time to take effect.

"Even when the Government decided to raise the Goods and Services Tax, they did not (abruptly) announce it and tomorrow when you wake up, it's 7 per cent." - TODAY/fa

(Haha...this guy sure can joke man. He take 1/3 of the entire charity's takings, then how much left to help the needy leh?)
 
How can someone with 32 ex boyfriends and already so old can be a pop idol

I dont understand
"pop" idol as in a sexperienced B-grade porn flick chick? asians inevitably look younger than most angmo women of the same age. maybe with the millions they collect, nobody knows how much is pumped into enhancing her assets to defy the signs of age.
 
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