Wonder if Sylvia and WP will be charged for sedition for such comments.
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Stallholders in row with Workers Party town council
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Wonder if Sylvia and WP will be charged for sedition for such comments.
Actually it is because this has spiraled out of control. While it might have been initially encouraged, it has gone way beyond what many are comfortable with. Most telling is that no PAP Minister/MP has commented on this. This is unlike the AIM/FHSS where the Ministers and MPs took turns to make coordinated statements.
The situation is similar to the last days before SMRT CEO Saw's resignation. Recall the large number of statements which she issued in such a way to suggest that these had the endorsement and support of the top PAP leadership.
Of course in this case, the NEA CEO is already leaving. If I were him, I wouldn't be so sure that whatever post they promised him after his "Advanced Management Diploma" will still be there when he finishes his course.
The situation is similar to the last days before SMRT CEO Saw's resignation. Recall the large number of statements which she issued in such a way to suggest that these had the endorsement and support of the top PAP leadership.
Of course in this case, the NEA CEO is already leaving. If I were him, I wouldn't be so sure that whatever post they promised him after his "Advanced Management Diploma" will still be there when he finishes his course.
This stubborn empty vessel will generously, kindly point you to the paragraph below
If you still dun get it then please ask me nicely
If it makes you feel better about yourself then feel free to repeat that every night before you sleep.
This time you need to generously, kindly point me to such acknowledgement from WP.
Please?
What about kukubird58?
What quotation?
The quotation from ATL to AHPETC? But that should be confidential between them..... now since you've been rejected by WP so that means you work for ATL?
Why the obsession with scaffolding? You selling/renting scaffolding or what?
I think A+ Sylvia/AHPETC has the last respond. At least for today.
http://www.ahpetc.sg/media-release-7-june-2013/
Media Release – 7 June 2013
AHPETC: NEA is Politically Motivated to Tarnish the Image of AHPETC
I find the conclusion of the NEA on 6 June 2013 that “AHPETC tried to get hawkers to pay extra cleaning costs, and when that failed it deflected the blame” puzzling and unprofessional as a government agency..........
hahaha....aurvandil, can you show us how the hawkers are heavily subsidized by the HDB residents???kukubird said:
is it 15cents or 20 cents per HDB unit or what?????
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hahaha...sgparent, how does the above paragraph shows that hawkers asked for additional cleaning beyond what was required by NEA.
Pse enlighten.
It's in the Annex.
The "big" cleaning where >2.5m area will be included for Blk 538 is planned in Oct. The Mar cleaning should only be a general cleaning, the bare minimal dictated by the NEA
hahaha....u are a joke...how does the Annex A proved that the hawkers requested additional cleaning above 2.5m???
The picture that emerged is as follows:
1. NEA sends email to TC in Feb 2013 containing so called ambiquities about the erection/dismantling of scaffolds.
2. TC conveniently exploited the situation and wanted to pass the costs to hawkers knowing fully that such costs are always borned by TC.
Proof....TC trying to push the blame to NEA based on the email although they know fully that they (TC) are responsible.
TC has never said that such confusion arose because hawlkers requested additional cleaning above 2.5m.
(now idiots comes up with own interpretation that the scaffolds were needed because hawkers asked for additional cleaning)
3. TC schedule is also wrong in the sense that such cleaning had to be done by June 2013 and not Oct 2013....another classic example of TC not knowing their basic responsibilities.
4. Fact is also that hawkers are begging no more unnecessary closure as it affects their livelihoods.
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Hahahahaha..our useless douchebag giving his halfwit's worth of salt to an already settled case...that NEA was at fault.
Always asking silly questions and digging up old graves when the answers are all there in the open...never come across anybody more retarded.
Can you point me to where it is stated that your father is married to your mother?
Always asking silly questions and digging up old graves when the answers are all there in the open...never come across anybody more retarded.
Can you point me to where it is stated that your father is married to your mother?
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These hawkers who petitioned the AHPETC are doing on the instigation of the Merchants Association Chairman and committee who are at the same directed by the PAP Mafia family. Merchant Associations in all constituency wards are under the mafiaship of the standing MP. The individual Chairman of these Merchant Associations is usually the figure head top dog who acts for the most powerful and richest guy whose business in the area is smooth out of all harassment by government agencies like NEA. You can bet this saga will never ever be born in Lee Hsien Loong's ward.
Check out Tampines GRC. See whose businesses is allowed to have stalls laid outside the HDB shophouse premises 24 hours a day without consequences in breach of rules laid out by Town Councils after the fatal Hougang fires?
Who do you think the standing MPs will turn to for sponsorships(money) to conduct social activities like carnivals, festive celebration dinners to draw the loyalty and votes from constituents?
This of course is perfectly LEEGAL under the PAP's rule. Lee Kuan Yew once termed his political doctrine as Gentleman Politics. Fucking oxymoronic fart!
Check out Tampines GRC. See whose businesses is allowed to have stalls laid outside the HDB shophouse premises 24 hours a day without consequences in breach of rules laid out by Town Councils after the fatal Hougang fires?
Who do you think the standing MPs will turn to for sponsorships(money) to conduct social activities like carnivals, festive celebration dinners to draw the loyalty and votes from constituents?
This of course is perfectly LEEGAL under the PAP's rule. Lee Kuan Yew once termed his political doctrine as Gentleman Politics. Fucking oxymoronic fart!
Your research is astounding ...without internet, no one knows the whole picture. PAP cho cho again. WP MPs should embarrass the PAP in Parliament on this.
NEA tried to blame WP and Sylvia Lim hantam back 
http://www.ahpetc.sg/media-release-7-june-2013/
AHPETC: NEA is Politically Motivated to Tarnish the Image of AHPETC
I find the conclusion of the NEA on 6 June 2013 that “AHPETC tried to get hawkers to pay extra cleaning costs, and when that failed it deflected the blame” puzzling and unprofessional as a government agency.
Has AHPETC Tried to Get Hawkers to Pay Extra?
The whole episode started with a Sunday Times report dated 26 May 2013 alluding that Aljunied-Hougang-Punggol East Town Council (AHPETC) is collecting money from stallholders for the cleaning of the market & hawker centre. Has any stallholder been approached by AHPETC staff or its contractors for the extra charges? If so, please make it public. AHPETC has investigated the claim and found the claim published in the press report to be baseless.
The latest attempt to substantiate this baseless claim was to show a quotation by the cleaning contractor ATL Maintenance Pte Ltd, who has clarified that it was in response to a separate request by the hawker association and not pursuant to its contractual obligation with the Town Council to do annual cleaning of the high areas at markets / hawker centres.
All cleaning contractors employed by AHPETC are well aware of its obligation under the contract to clean the high areas of all the markets under AHPETC management at least once a year. Anyone who is interested is welcome to inspect the contracts.
Why Town Council cleaning contactor did not clean the high areas of the market at Blk 538 Bedok North Street 3 in March 2013
NEA in its email dated 7 February 2013 categorically stated that “the Hawker Association will make the necessary arrangements with its contractors on the scaffold erection / dismantling during the spring cleaning from 4 – 8 March 2013”. It is ludicrous that a government agency would claim that its statement means anything else than what it says, and to change its position repeatedly.
AHPETC took the statement in good faith that NEA had arranged with the hawker association for the same. The scaffolding was not provided as indicated; hence the AHPETC cleaners were unable to carry out the work of the high areas.
AHPETC did not ask or impose any additional charges for cleaning.
The Scheduled Dates of Market Annual Cleaning
Based on the past experience of staff of our Managing Agent in managing the market in Hougang Constituency, annual cleaning of the market including ceiling and the high areas could be done without additional closure of the market and disruption of business to hawkers and customers. This can be done by taking advantage of the weekly one-day closures for markets and the hours when hawker stalls are closed.
AHPETC will set the date of annual cleaning and will inform stallholders nearer to the scheduled date and coordinate with the stallholders. AHPETC is prepared to consider any stallholders’ request on cleaning arrangements to ensure smooth operations and to minimize disruption to their business and inconvenience to customers.
Is NEA Playing Politics?
Being a responsible Town Council with the interest of residents and stallholders at heart, AHPETC is always prepared to work with the relevant government agencies for the benefit of the residents it serves. Even in cases where we may have disagreed with the approach of the agency, we are always prepared to compromise and to work together for common good, so long as the interest of residents is not jeopardised.
AHPETC positively responded to NEA’s advisory dated 31 May 2013 which was published by the press on 1 June 2013. AHPETC welcomed NEA’s clarification on the issue of hawker centre cleaning, and stated that “AHPETC is mindful of its responsibilities for the maintenance and cleanliness of common properties, including HDB-owned markets and hawker centres to safeguard public hygiene and safety. We will use our best endeavors to work with all stakeholders to bring any outstanding issues to an amicable resolution.”
NEA’s stance regrettable
Therefore, it is regrettable that our attempts to resolve the issue amicably have not been reciprocated, with the government taking the opportunity to point fingers at AHPETC, alleging that it was AHPETC which was “deflecting blame”. Who is really the party deflecting blame? I set out the facts above and I believe that the public can judge for itself.
SYLVIA LIM
CHAIRMAN
ALJUNIED-HOUGANG-PUNGGOL EAST TOWN COUNCIL
7 June 2013
http://www.ahpetc.sg/media-release-7-june-2013/
AHPETC: NEA is Politically Motivated to Tarnish the Image of AHPETC
I find the conclusion of the NEA on 6 June 2013 that “AHPETC tried to get hawkers to pay extra cleaning costs, and when that failed it deflected the blame” puzzling and unprofessional as a government agency.
Has AHPETC Tried to Get Hawkers to Pay Extra?
The whole episode started with a Sunday Times report dated 26 May 2013 alluding that Aljunied-Hougang-Punggol East Town Council (AHPETC) is collecting money from stallholders for the cleaning of the market & hawker centre. Has any stallholder been approached by AHPETC staff or its contractors for the extra charges? If so, please make it public. AHPETC has investigated the claim and found the claim published in the press report to be baseless.
The latest attempt to substantiate this baseless claim was to show a quotation by the cleaning contractor ATL Maintenance Pte Ltd, who has clarified that it was in response to a separate request by the hawker association and not pursuant to its contractual obligation with the Town Council to do annual cleaning of the high areas at markets / hawker centres.
All cleaning contractors employed by AHPETC are well aware of its obligation under the contract to clean the high areas of all the markets under AHPETC management at least once a year. Anyone who is interested is welcome to inspect the contracts.
Why Town Council cleaning contactor did not clean the high areas of the market at Blk 538 Bedok North Street 3 in March 2013
NEA in its email dated 7 February 2013 categorically stated that “the Hawker Association will make the necessary arrangements with its contractors on the scaffold erection / dismantling during the spring cleaning from 4 – 8 March 2013”. It is ludicrous that a government agency would claim that its statement means anything else than what it says, and to change its position repeatedly.
AHPETC took the statement in good faith that NEA had arranged with the hawker association for the same. The scaffolding was not provided as indicated; hence the AHPETC cleaners were unable to carry out the work of the high areas.
AHPETC did not ask or impose any additional charges for cleaning.
The Scheduled Dates of Market Annual Cleaning
Based on the past experience of staff of our Managing Agent in managing the market in Hougang Constituency, annual cleaning of the market including ceiling and the high areas could be done without additional closure of the market and disruption of business to hawkers and customers. This can be done by taking advantage of the weekly one-day closures for markets and the hours when hawker stalls are closed.
AHPETC will set the date of annual cleaning and will inform stallholders nearer to the scheduled date and coordinate with the stallholders. AHPETC is prepared to consider any stallholders’ request on cleaning arrangements to ensure smooth operations and to minimize disruption to their business and inconvenience to customers.
Is NEA Playing Politics?
Being a responsible Town Council with the interest of residents and stallholders at heart, AHPETC is always prepared to work with the relevant government agencies for the benefit of the residents it serves. Even in cases where we may have disagreed with the approach of the agency, we are always prepared to compromise and to work together for common good, so long as the interest of residents is not jeopardised.
AHPETC positively responded to NEA’s advisory dated 31 May 2013 which was published by the press on 1 June 2013. AHPETC welcomed NEA’s clarification on the issue of hawker centre cleaning, and stated that “AHPETC is mindful of its responsibilities for the maintenance and cleanliness of common properties, including HDB-owned markets and hawker centres to safeguard public hygiene and safety. We will use our best endeavors to work with all stakeholders to bring any outstanding issues to an amicable resolution.”
NEA’s stance regrettable
Therefore, it is regrettable that our attempts to resolve the issue amicably have not been reciprocated, with the government taking the opportunity to point fingers at AHPETC, alleging that it was AHPETC which was “deflecting blame”. Who is really the party deflecting blame? I set out the facts above and I believe that the public can judge for itself.
SYLVIA LIM
CHAIRMAN
ALJUNIED-HOUGANG-PUNGGOL EAST TOWN COUNCIL
7 June 2013
I don't see why should the statement be referring to 'to put up canvas sheet over the stalls' . It sounds weird in the context of correspond when it about cleaning of ceilings and exhaust ducts.
Moreover why the stalls need scaffolding 'to put up canvas sheet over the stalls' when a simple ladder will do the job? And isn't it going to obstruct the scaffolding for cleaning of ceilings and exhaust ducts ?
Moreover why the stalls need scaffolding 'to put up canvas sheet over the stalls' when a simple ladder will do the job? And isn't it going to obstruct the scaffolding for cleaning of ceilings and exhaust ducts ?
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