Both EDMWers Kumar & LemonTea got it wrong here when it comes to FGM specifically.
Banning FGM (preferably directly by Islamic authorities) is to protect Muslim girls from an erroneous belief (that has life-long devastating consequences) that Islam requires it, when it is actually a harmful tradition not required (and not encouraged) by Islam.
On EDMW : https://forums.fuckwarezone.com.sg/...ate-even-from-muslim-community.6572205/page-5
If the Quran decrees it, if Muslims belief in something that their Holy Book or God says, then good for them.
Let them observe their religion in the manner they want so long as it also conforms to the Law of the land.
They are perfectly entitled to believe and practise such things.
It's not for outsiders to question or worse ridicule or object.
They have a MUFTI, the have a religious body, let those decide the things that are acceptable in Singapore's context.
Of course we can have religious discussions but these things can easily go awry and lead to all sorts of societal problems and turn into hate. In our Singapore model, we accept certain things and even forgo certain liberties as far as religious tolerance goes. There's a lot of stuff I disagree with Shanmugam and the PAP but on these topics they have my almost complete agreement.
RK as a Muslim obviously can raise her concerns but in the end it's a matter for her and her Muslim community among themselves to settle not for us outsiders to enter the fray and start questioning.
Certain laws that seem anathema to Western societies like 377A still has some meaning and value to Singapore in order to maintain the social and hard won peace among races and religion. Once we go down the slippery slope of questioning each other's religious or racial beliefs, there's almost no chance of returning to where it currently is without paying a very heavy price for it.
In Singapore, there is a separate sets law for the muslims and non-muslim. We have sharia court to administer the Sharia Law for the muslim's marriage affair.
So, please don't stir shiat in this particular area.
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I do agree that Malay should enjoy the same set of law as with any other race. But for muslims, we must respect their practices and culture. The practices of a muslim is largely determine by the islamic scholar's interpretation of Quora. They have their way to decide which scholar is reputable enough to provide the authoritative interpretation. And the Sharia Court have their own legal process to decide how best to interpret and implement the Sharia Law.
We should respect that. Remember, the Malays are the indigenous people of Singapore, and we should respect as such. We shouldn't attempt to whitewash their culture, habits and way of life.
Banning FGM (preferably directly by Islamic authorities) is to protect Muslim girls from an erroneous belief (that has life-long devastating consequences) that Islam requires it, when it is actually a harmful tradition not required (and not encouraged) by Islam.
On EDMW : https://forums.fuckwarezone.com.sg/...ate-even-from-muslim-community.6572205/page-5
Kumar22 :
No. It's not for you, me or anyone else to question their edicts and beliefs.If the Quran decrees it, if Muslims belief in something that their Holy Book or God says, then good for them.
Let them observe their religion in the manner they want so long as it also conforms to the Law of the land.
They are perfectly entitled to believe and practise such things.
It's not for outsiders to question or worse ridicule or object.
They have a MUFTI, the have a religious body, let those decide the things that are acceptable in Singapore's context.
Of course we can have religious discussions but these things can easily go awry and lead to all sorts of societal problems and turn into hate. In our Singapore model, we accept certain things and even forgo certain liberties as far as religious tolerance goes. There's a lot of stuff I disagree with Shanmugam and the PAP but on these topics they have my almost complete agreement.
RK as a Muslim obviously can raise her concerns but in the end it's a matter for her and her Muslim community among themselves to settle not for us outsiders to enter the fray and start questioning.
Certain laws that seem anathema to Western societies like 377A still has some meaning and value to Singapore in order to maintain the social and hard won peace among races and religion. Once we go down the slippery slope of questioning each other's religious or racial beliefs, there's almost no chance of returning to where it currently is without paying a very heavy price for it.
Lemon_Tea :
It is written into our constitution that we recognised that the Malays are the indigenous people of Singapore. Furthermore, we also recognised the intricate relationship that Singapore Malays has with Islam. Hence, it is the responsibility of the government to safeguard the rights and privilege of Malays (and by extension Muslim practices), and to preserve their practice and way of life.In Singapore, there is a separate sets law for the muslims and non-muslim. We have sharia court to administer the Sharia Law for the muslim's marriage affair.
So, please don't stir shiat in this particular area.
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I do agree that Malay should enjoy the same set of law as with any other race. But for muslims, we must respect their practices and culture. The practices of a muslim is largely determine by the islamic scholar's interpretation of Quora. They have their way to decide which scholar is reputable enough to provide the authoritative interpretation. And the Sharia Court have their own legal process to decide how best to interpret and implement the Sharia Law.
We should respect that. Remember, the Malays are the indigenous people of Singapore, and we should respect as such. We shouldn't attempt to whitewash their culture, habits and way of life.
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