[Singapore] - Former Methodist Bishop calls on National Council of Churches SG to disavow New Creation's Joseph Prince

[Hypocrite-The]

That was in response to spaniards and francs trying to conquer north africa.
Anyway the jews and non catholic christians followed the muslims out from spain because they did not want to live under the tyrannical inquisition.

Mudslimes invaded Christian territories 1st...

Guest column: Crusades were a reaction to Islamic militarism - Opinion - The Florida Times-Union
Posted Feb 10, 2015 at 5:19 PM
President Barack Obama’s comments at a National Prayer Breakfast caused controversy when he compared medieval crusaders with modern ISIS militants.

The president warned Christians against getting on their “high horse” by pointing out that religious violence is not unique to Islam as during the crusades (among other things) Christians “committed terrible deeds in the name of Christ.”

In the days following his speech, Christian commentators and conservative pundits expressed outrage at the comparison, arguing either that it was a false equivalency or irrelevant since the crusades took place centuries ago.

CRUSADE HISTORIANS COMMENT

But beyond these critics, another group also expressed concerns with the president’s comments - crusade historians.

Thomas Madden, a historian at St. Louis University, stated, “I don’t think the president knows very much about the crusades. ... He seems to be casting them as an example of a distortion of Christianity and trying to compare that to what he sees as a distortion of Islam in the actions of ISIS. ... The initial goal of the Crusades was to give back lands to Christians that had been conquered, due to Muslim conquests.”

Similarly, Paul Crawford, a historian at California University of Pennsylvania, has commented, “The comparison is unjustified by the sources of medieval history. ... There is no moral equivalence between the crusades and Islamic terrorism.”

Thomas Asbridge, a historian at the University of London, argued that to suggest a causal link between ISIS and the medieval crusades is “grounded in the manipulation and misrepresentation of historical evidence.”

WHAT SPURRED CRUSADES?

Regardless of such comments, I am certain that these leading crusade historians would agree with the president that terrible acts were sometimes committed in the name of Christ during the crusades.

I know of no serious historian of the Middle Ages who would claim otherwise. So then, what were they upset about?

There has been a significant, even dominant, view in crusades scholarship for decades that holds that the crusading movement began at least partly in response to Islamic violence directed toward medieval Christian societies.

Indeed, by the time of the calling of the First Crusade in 1095, Muslim armies had conquered two-thirds of the Christian world, including once Christian North Africa, Sicily, most of Spain and other areas.

MUSLIM ARMIES ON THE MARCH

Significantly, it was in large part because of a period of heightened threat to Christians in the East during the late 11th Century that the First Crusade was called, as Muslim armies had recently conquered much of once Christian Anatolia.

For more than 20 years, Byzantine emperors had been requesting (and sometimes pleading for) military aid from Western Christians until they finally received it in the form of the First Crusade as called by Pope Urban II in 1095.

As retired Cambridge University historian Jonathan Riley-Smith once noted, “The denigrators of the crusades stress their brutality and savagery, which cannot be denied; but they offer no explanation other than the stupidity, barbarism and intolerance of the crusaders, on whom it has become conventional to lay most blame. Yet the original justification for crusading was Muslim aggression...”

This brings us back to Obama’s comments. I found them problematic for reasons cited by Riley-Smith.

The president told critics of modern Islamic violence to get off their “high horse” by citing the crusades as an example of similar Christian violence. Paradoxically the crusades were largely the product of medieval Islamic violence.

While I appreciate the president’s noble intention of giving some degree of solace to the many Muslims who reject the barbarism of Islamist militants yet nevertheless find their faith under attack for actions they would never embrace, modern analogies that equate the Medieval crusaders with modern terrorists unfortunately do little to aid in our understanding of the challenges we face.

Andrew Holt is professor of history at Florida State College at Jacksonville.

 

[NanoRay]

So this Prince is another jiuhukia trying to stir problems in Singapore?

Father was a Sikh priest, and son a Christian pastor. They are endowed with the DNA of religious leaders.

Instead of labelling him as heretic and seeking to alienate him, these "orthodox" leaders should invite him to have a live debate on YouTube.

 

[Filloz]

Joseph Prince & The Hyflux Fiasco – By Rev George Ong
https://www.revgeorgeong.com/

Yesterday (22 July 2021), it was reported in The Straits Times that the High Court has approved the winding up of Hyflux.

This goes to show Joseph Prince’s claim that his grace doctrine was responsible for the success of Hyflux is now proven to be a scam.

When Hyflux was in its heydays, Joseph Prince trumpeted to the world that because the founder of Hyflux followed his prescribed grace doctrine of daring to ask big things from God, she succeeded. You can read the details in his book, ‘The Power Of Right Believing’, pages 274-282.

Because of space, I can only include two paragraphs of these pages.

In ‘The Power Of Right Believing’, Page 278, Joseph Prince wrote,

“She (Olivia Lum) shared with me (Joseph Prince) that when she walked out of the bank, she remembered a message that I had preached on being bold and asking God for big things. She said, “You told us not to insult God by asking only for small things. You said, ‘Ask God for big things, compliment Him, and have a positive, confident expectation of good.’” So she went home and before going to bed, she decided to step out in faith and ask God to do a big thing for her.”​

In ‘The Power Of Right Believing’, Page 282, Joseph Prince wrote,

“How does a young girl… go from weaving rattan bags for a nickel to building a billion-dollar, public-listed company? My friend, that is the power of right believing. Olivia’s story is an amazing one, which tells of the goodness, favor, grace, and power of our God. I pray that you will be encouraged to see that nothing is impossible when you believe right in the person of Jesus and in His love and goodness. Ask God for big things. He loves you, and He has a track record of doing exceedingly and abundantly above all that we can ask, think, or even imagine (see Eph. 3:20).”​

When Hyflux was doing well, Joseph Prince proclaimed loudly to the world that Hyflux succeeded financially because the founder believed and practised his grace doctrine.

But when it was reported in the Newspapers at the beginning of 2019 that Hyflux became embroiled with financial difficulties and later reports indicated that the founder of Hyflux and its directors were under criminal investigation for suspected false and misleading statements and corporate governance breaches, Joseph Prince kept absolutely quiet as a mouse about it.

One question that needs to be asked is – did Joseph Prince’s grace doctrine, which he claims in his book to have brought about Hyflux’s financial success, really work? If it did, why is Hyflux laden with financial problems? Why is it being placed under criminal investigation? Why is it in the final process of being wound up?

Friends, the truth is Joseph Prince trumpets only on the so-called successful cases, while hiding from you the many other cases of people who have floundered under his ministry. As the case of Hyflux may prove, even the so-called successful cases, may not be a true reflection of it after all.

Joseph Prince only knows how to claim credit for his success. That’s what he did when he held up the founder of Hyflux as the poster girl of his so-called successful grace doctrine.

But when they falter, as in the case Hyflux, he doesn’t want to have anything to do with it by keeping quiet about it. This is the kind of man you are dealing with.

When a believer tastes prosperity because he has so-called followed the hypergrace principles, Joseph Prince gets the credit. Such success will be shared over the pulpit in the weekly Sunday services. Joseph Prince’s name will always be mentioned as the reason for the person’s accomplishment.

But when a believer does not experience wealth or is not healthy or even sickly, the ‘blame’ is placed on that individual for not having enough faith or doesn’t have enough revelation to experience the wealth or health that he should have experienced.

Don’t be deceived by the many so-called testimonies that Joseph Prince frequently and anxiously belts out in his weekly worship services every Sunday to prove the efficacy of his grace doctrine.

Matthew 7:15-20 NASB

15 “Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves. 16 You will know them by their fruits. Grapes are not gathered from thorn bushes nor figs from thistles, are they? 17 So every good tree bears good fruit, but the bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot produce bad fruit, nor can a bad tree produce good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 So then, you will know them by their fruits.”​

Matthew 7:20 says, “… you will know them by their fruits.”

But the application of the fruit test is not entirely easy, simple or straightforward. You have to wait until the fruit has appeared. There is the danger of being too excited about the fruit prematurely once some semblance of it starts to appear, only to realise that the fruit is rotten.

You have to wait until you have the opportunity to examine the fruit closely and carefully. You cannot always recognise the tree or the fruit at a distance. Even when you examine it closely, you may not immediately see if the tree is diseased or if the fruit is rotten with maggots and worms crawling inside it. So what is needed is not a superficial but critical assessment of the fruit of the false teacher, such as Joseph Prince.

Don’t be deceived – just as true teachers can be counterfeited; the fruit of false teachers can be fabricated too. The great deception is that even the counterfeited fruit of false teachers can appear so genuine. The fruit of false teachers which appears so real at a distance could turn out to be fake on closer scrutiny.

Don’t judge fruit by the short term; the authenticity of fruit can only be established in the medium or long term. Fruit must be given time to prove its authenticity.

And Joseph Prince has capitalised on the initial and short-term success of Olivia Lum to mislead the people about the truth and efficacy of his grace doctrine.

Don’t be deceived – the short-term result that Joseph Prince frequently shares about the many testimonies that he belts out, does not necessarily equal to permanent success or genuine fruit.

Finally, instead of warning people that their desire for wealth and to be very rich, can choke them to their spiritual death, unbelievably, Joseph Prince encourages them to pursue the very thing that could result in their eternal ruin (1 Tim 6:8-10).

God’s true shepherds would never bring about your destruction, but only the devil’s wolf would.

Be warned that if you blindly follow after Joseph Prince’s ‘every-believer-must-be-very-rich’ false doctrine, you are allowing covetousness to gain a foothold in your life. And the sin of covetousness would lead, not just to your earthly ruin, but also to your eternal destruction (1 Tim 6:9-10).

Because Hyflux is now being wound up, The Straits Times dated 22 July 2021 (yesterday) reported that “the long-suffering 34,000 retail investors … will likely end up with nothing.”

In the same report in The Straits Times, Sias president and chief executive David Gerald said,

“I am saddened by the result, but the court was very patient and accommodative. I feel sorry for the (PnP investors) who may now end up getting nothing.​

“They put their trust in (founder) Olivia Lum and the board entirely. These are small investors and they have lost their investments.​

“Those responsible for bringing down Hyflux will have to live with their conscience.”​

If Joseph Prince has a conscience, he must repent from his Prosperity Gospel doctrine, as he was the one who encouraged the founder of Hyflux “… not to insult God by asking only for small things…” but to “… Ask God for big things…”

 

[dredd]

Just admit I'm right about mRNA too.
Or history will do it for you.

The mRNA subject is clearly beyond you. For that subject, let the big boys with real intelligence discuss.

Small bird brains like you better just stick to historical facts where you can glean from google and paste here. You'll do well.

 

[Loofydralb]

Guest column: Crusades were a reaction to Islamic militarism - Opinion - The Florida Times-Union
Posted Feb 10, 2015 at 5:19 PM
President Barack Obama’s comments at a National Prayer Breakfast caused controversy when he compared medieval crusaders with modern ISIS militants.

The president warned Christians against getting on their “high horse” by pointing out that religious violence is not unique to Islam as during the crusades (among other things) Christians “committed terrible deeds in the name of Christ.”

In the days following his speech, Christian commentators and conservative pundits expressed outrage at the comparison, arguing either that it was a false equivalency or irrelevant since the crusades took place centuries ago.

So you have to admit that terrorism started with the crusades. My point done.

 

[duluxe]

So you have to admit that terrorism started with the crusades. My point done.

Terrorism started with Prophet Muhammed, for 1400 years lot of caliphates, muslim fighters and sultans emulated him.

Modern days terrorism started in the mosques.

 

[Hypocrite-The]

So you have to admit that terrorism started with the crusades. My point done.

I never admitted that. Terrorism started from the mudslimes themselves... remember..they conquered and invaded Christian lands 1st.

 

[JohnTan]

So you have to admit that terrorism started with the crusades. My point done.

The Crusades were a delayed military response from Europe to the military invasions of the arabs, and later on, the seljuk turks, on Christian land. Historical fact.

Yes. The crusades were just attempts at land grab and colonisation. Just remember the crusades were led by english and french kings who lived thousands of miles away.

moslems did not feel the same way when turks from central asia, who lived very very far away, traveled to Asia Minor or India to invade, land grab and colonize other people's land.

moslems also did not feel colonisation was wrong when arabs crossed the Red Sea to steal black people's lands in Ethiopia, Sudan and Somalia. We even have modern day large scale massacres in Darfur, perpetrated by moslem arabs on victims who happened to be black. And some of the black victims were also fellow moslem. But hey, the murderers were the arabs, the master race of islam. So the m&d apologists like yourself keep quiet and resume cleaning the arabs' latrines like what the arabs think you are only fit to do.

 

[JohnTan]

So that means they did not serve NS...those that do not serve NS should not be allowed into pubic service or pubic office... singkieland for singkies

Pondicherry did serve NS later on in his adult life.

Among them is Dr Janil Puthucheary, Member of Parliament for Pasir Ris-Punggol GRC, who became a Singapore citizen at the age of 35.

The SVs will undergo two weeks of basic training – a continuous one where trainees stay and live inside the camp for two weeks. The third intake will also undergo continuous training.

The second intake, however, will undergo training from April 11 to June 14 in a “modular” fashion, where lessons are provided on weekends instead of weekdays. Trainees who opt for this usually do so because of work and family commitments.

Read more at https://www.todayonline.com/singapore/first-batch-volunteers-enlist-saf-volunteer-corps

 

[JohnTan]

British ruled bangladesh and started that label.
Bangla being bangla who are a people without pride don't even know their religion.

You're full of shit. Your reply is how you squirm like a cockroach when you get refuted for starting your arguments with statements like "no moslem will say this" or "no moslem will do that". You seriously do need to learn more about theology and your own mohameddan religion before pretending to be an expert in it.

 

[Loofydralb]

You're full of shit. Your reply is how you squirm like a cockroach when you get refuted for starting your arguments with statements like "no moslem will say this" or "no moslem will do that". You seriously do need to learn more about theology and your own mohameddan religion before pretending to be an expert in it.

The Visigothic were planning to raid north africa. But was slow to act. He was overthrown for trying to spread terrorism in arab lands just like what they are doing today.

 

[dredd]

The Visigothic were planning to raid north africa. But was slow to act. He was overthrown for trying to spread terrorism in arab lands just like what they are doing today.

I had wanted to support you on this, but seeing what an asshole you have been, I agree with John Tan. You are full of shit, you piece of turd!

 

[JohnTan]

The Visigothic were planning to raid north africa. But was slow to act. He was overthrown for trying to spread terrorism in arab lands just like what they are doing today.

What rubbish!

A more logical reason for moslem invasion and colonisation of Visigoth Spain would be for loot, plunder, new territory and even religious jihad after islam failed to conquer Constantinople during the 700 AD period.

Again, moslems like you seem to favour colonisation as long as the conquerors and land stealers share your moslem religion. We notice a common trend of moslem turning a blind eye to war crimes committed as long as the prepetrators share your moslem religion.

 

[JohnTan]

Father was a Sikh priest, and son a Christian pastor. They are endowed with the DNA of religious leaders.

Instead of labelling him as heretic and seeking to alienate him, these "orthodox" leaders should invite him to have a live debate on YouTube.

That would be entertaining. But shouldn't Singapore religious leaders have better things to do?

 

[Hypocrite-The]

Pondicherry did serve NS later on in his adult life.

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Among them is Dr Janil Puthucheary, Member of Parliament for Pasir Ris-Punggol GRC, who became a Singapore citizen at the age of 35.

The SVs will undergo two weeks of basic training – a continuous one where trainees stay and live inside the camp for two weeks. The third intake will also undergo continuous training.

The second intake, however, will undergo training from April 11 to June 14 in a “modular” fashion, where lessons are provided on weekends instead of weekdays. Trainees who opt for this usually do so because of work and family commitments.

Read more at https://www.todayonline.com/singapore/first-batch-volunteers-enlist-saf-volunteer-corps

2 weeks ns? U shitting me?

 

[Wunderfool]

It’s a red flag when someone calls himself a prince except when doves cry.

There is one whom most evangelical Christians call him the "Prince of Preachers ".

 

[tanwahtiu]

When ask what happen after THEY died....

1. That Indian ahneh Buddha says enlightenment though he has not die yet... just say only...

2. Then many moons later a Arabic man died first. Then his devotees say He came back 3 days later. Not sure wtf HE came back for.

3. Then many more moons later another Arabic man say you die first... there will be 72 virgins waiting for you. No mention they are male or female virgins and not sure who service whom.... die then you know.....

These 3 choose a backward places, no mass communication available, many poor people, with no hope in sight to sell their snake oil.... and what have they scarifice....uhhhh...

 

[steffychun]

Prince daughter

https://www.ntu.edu.sg/docs/librari...ass-dean's-list_ay19-20.pdf?sfvrsn=ba2a3aed_2

Jessica Shayna Prince

https://www.linkedin.com/in/jessicashaynaprince/

 

[Victory2016]

During the time of Jesus, there were a group of "holy" men called Pharisees who went about persecuting those who practiced their religion in a different way. Together with the High Priest, they even plotted the murder of their rival.
Looks like the Pharisees are still around today, plotting the character assassination of those who disagree with them in the name of religious orthodoxy.

 

[laksaboy]

During the time of Jesus, there were a group of "holy" men called Pharisees who went about persecuting those who practiced their religion in a different way. Together with the High Priest, they even plotted the murder of their rival.
Looks like the Pharisees are still around today, plotting the character assassination of those who disagree with them in the name of religious orthodoxy.

All organized religions are fucked.

For churches, any church which has a tax exempt status is a defiled church... in America that would be the 501c3 status.

Certain churches require members to be fully vaxxed before they're allowed to enter the church building.