Seriously why do we have to count those Banglas as part of Sinkie Covid-19 stats??

[myfoot123]

When a plane which is carrying 10 Singaporeans crashes the ST headlines will be "10 Singaporeans killed in plane crash". ST does not bother about the fact that 200 tiongs, 50 Ah Nehs, 22 Ethiopians, and 12 South Africans also died. The focus is on sinkies.

So same applies with Covid-19. Focus on those that are part of Singapore not some transient workers.

That not how a professional news is written. They will report the total number of casualties on the plane and the fate of different nationalities are the same. Nobody is going to single out which nationalities is more special than the others. When Singapore government send condolensces, they don't just send it to the Sinkies family but everyone families on the plane. You are trying hard to twist my point. Live with it, Singapore has more than 8000 infected cases on WHO record now. I rest my case.

 

[Valium]

Because Singapore belongs to everyone, and they are the spice in the Singapore mix.

I love how this spice is staining Lanjiao Loong's cheebye face.

 

[Leongsam]

That not how a professional news is written. They will report the total number of casualties on the plane and the fate of different nationalities are the same. Nobody is going to single out which nationalities is more special than the others. When Singapore government send condolensces, they don't just send it to the Sinkies family but everyone families on the plane. You are trying hard to twist my point. Live with it, Singapore has more than 8000 infected cases on WHO record now. I rest my case.

I'm merely suggesting that a precedent has been set for treating different categories in a different manner so I'm offering helpful advice to the Singapore authorities regarding how to regain Singapore's gold standard crown.

I'm not in charge. I can only suggest and assist if necessary. It's up to the PAP whether they want to adopt what I have put forth. However as an ardent supporter of the ruling party I am always trying to do my best for Singapore.

 

[Semaj2357]

I agree. They should not be counted as they aren't Sinkeepoos. They have been rounded up and taken out of circulation. By continuing to count them in will make other countries misconstrue the actual number of infected real sinkees which have been going down. Yesterday's real number of infection is 16, which is a very good sign.

might be too late, as others have made light (and a mockery) of our highly-paid ministars here, which is over and above their containment of covid in their countries

Now I may be smoking something illegal and hallucinating, but I view them as integral to the functioning of this economy.

hanor, they even up (and in) our maids to the point of being intimately integral and inclusive to our families - when the maids return home

 

[nightsafari]

I already explained the reasons.

1. To make the stats better reflect the excellent achievements of the PAP in keeping Singaporeans safe.

2. To enable the lockdown to be lifted once the new cases within the Singapore community is reduced significantly.

If we don't separate the stats we'll all be stuck at home just because the virus is still spreading among some transient workers that have already been quarantined and roped off from the rest of us.

ah.... that makes much more sense. well I can see that if the numbers change, the people's opinion will change accordingly. so yes that makes sense, but I think with how Xi tried to fudge the initial Wuhan numbers and the ensuing backlash, nobody here has the political will to do so and risk the wrath of an angry populace.

nice attempt, but you can't fight the tsunami of public popular opinion without a charismatic leader in charge. and I don't see one anywhere near the job for running the island. so I'm afraid that for now you and I are both stuck at home longer than we'd like to be.

 

[Leongsam]

ah.... that makes much more sense. well I can see that if the numbers change, the people's opinion will change accordingly. so yes that makes sense,

https://www.sammyboy.com/threads/se...of-sinkie-covid-19-stats.284199/#post-3100026

I don't know what you mean by makes MORE sense. I mentioned these two points in my opening statement.

"So when reporting the stats this coolie workforce should be a separate count labeled "Bangla Dormitories" and excluded from the Singapore count.

This will then give a far better picture of how things are going for the actual residents of the Island.

Otherwise we'll end up in a situation where, a month from now, there could well be ZERO new cases among citizens and PRs etc but the lockdown can't be lifted just because the virus is still spreading in a bunch of foreign workers."

 

[myfoot123]

However as an ardent supporter of the ruling party I am always trying to do my best for Singapore.

You will be dissappointed to find out that PAP is as confusing as you. Taking a leaf out of Chan Chun Sing's word: What is the motive behind your question of breaking down data between Singaporeans and foreigns residences?

 

[nightsafari]

I don't know what you mean by makes MORE sense. I mentioned these two points in my opening statement.

"So when reporting the stats this coolie workforce should be a separate count labeled "Bangla Dormitories" and excluded from the Singapore count.



Otherwise we'll end up in a situation where, a month from now, there could well be ZERO new cases among citizens and PRs etc but the lockdown can't be lifted just because the virus is still spreading in a bunch of foreign workers."

because I disagreed with your initial statement and stopped reading after.

"This will then give a far better picture of how things are going for the actual residents of the Island."

as far as I can see they are actual residents of the island and stripping them out is fudging the data for your own purposes. no?

 

[Leongsam]

What is the motive behind your question of breaking down data between Singaporeans and foreigns residences?

You're another twit. I already mentioned the motive in the opening post of this thread. Do you actually want to be stuck at home longer than is necessary????

https://www.sammyboy.com/threads/se...of-sinkie-covid-19-stats.284199/#post-3100026

"So when reporting the stats this coolie workforce should be a separate count labeled "Bangla Dormitories" and excluded from the Singapore count.

This will then give a far better picture of how things are going for the actual residents of the Island.

Otherwise we'll end up in a situation where, a month from now, there could well be ZERO new cases among citizens and PRs etc but the lockdown can't be lifted just because the virus is still spreading in a bunch of foreign workers."

 

[myfoot123]

You're another twit. I already mentioned the motive in the opening post of this thread. Do you actually want to be stuck at home longer than is necessary????

https://www.sammyboy.com/threads/se...of-sinkie-covid-19-stats.284199/#post-3100026

"So when reporting the stats this coolie workforce should be a separate count labeled "Bangla Dormitories" and excluded from the Singapore count.

This will then give a far better picture of how things are going for the actual residents of the Island.

Otherwise we'll end up in a situation where, a month from now, there could well be ZERO new cases among citizens and PRs etc but the lockdown can't be lifted just because the virus is still spreading in a bunch of foreign workers."

I am simply throwing your idolised PAP master's question back at you. It is not my question, you twit!

 

[Leongsam]

because I disagreed with your initial statement and stopped reading after.

"This will then give a far better picture of how things are going for the actual residents of the Island."

In the old days at school there was a section in the exams called "reading and comprehension". It taught me to read a paragraph and understand it before commenting. Failure to do so cost me an A in my preliminary O levels.

 

[glockman]

They may not be in transit but they definitely are transient. They come, earn the money, fuck the maids and then go home to live a life of relative luxury back home.

In transit... transient... the only difference is the duration. Ultimately neither are an integral part of the society that is hosting them on a temporary basis.

I'm sure they aren't included when Singapore calculates per Capita GDP. They aren't included when Singapore compiles stats for "Life expectancy" or "fertility rate" and so on so why do they have the dubious privilege of sullying our Covid-19 count?

There are two factors that justify why they should not be included.

1. As I already mentioned they are a transient workforce.

2. They are not part of Singapore society. They live in their own world of filth and squalor which is not representative of the high standards that Singapore provides to those who actually matter.

Just look at the way they are transported in Singapore. Isn't it obvious that they are an entirely different entity altogether? Would you put your loved ones in the back of a pickup truck??

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Your love and loyalty to our country is clear for all to see. You care so much for the very country that wants to prosecute you. You make us oppies feel ashamed, and unworthy.

Can john tan put in a good word for you? And yes, they should separate the numbers like with the Diamond Princess. So we don't look so bad. It is very xia suay for us sinkies!

 

[nightsafari]

In the old days at school there was a section in the exams called "reading and comprehension". It taught me to read a paragraph and understand it before commenting. Failure to do so cost me an A in my preliminary O levels.

luckily, I am not in an exam, but having a coffee shop discussion over the net.

your first point was about the diamond princess and how they were not included in case count. you then compared it to banglas and why they should be excluded because they are not actual residents of the island. I reproduce it below.

When the Diamond Princess was moored in Yokohama port the number of cases and deaths was treated as a separate entity. They were not included in Japan's case count despite the fact that the ship was in Japan's sovereign territory.

https://epidemic-stats.com/coronavirus/diamond-princess.

So when reporting the stats this coolie workforce should be a separate count labeled "Bangla Dormitories" and excluded from the Singapore count.

This will then give a far better picture of how things are going for the actual residents of the Island.

at this point I gave up reading because you sound like you're arbitrarily deciding on residency to suit your agenda. not a concrete argument so I starting switching off if coffeeshop talk turns into fudge territory.

Otherwise we'll end up in a situation where, a month from now, there could well be ZERO new cases among citizens and PRs etc but the lockdown can't be lifted just because the virus is still spreading in a bunch of foreign workers.

I think the problem is that whilst your proposition is credible, your supporting arguments seem arbitrarily picked and you chose to lead with those instead. You should have just started with your proposition first and mentioned that the banglas are quarantined and sequestered and pose no further threat or risk to the general populace. It would have been more credible that way.

edit : oh and sorry to hear about you missing out on an A. We all do things like that from time to time.

 

[Leongsam]

luckily, I am not in an exam, but having a coffee shop discussion over the net.

your first point was about the diamond princess and how they were not included in case count. you then compared it to banglas and why they should be excluded because they are not actual residents of the island. I reproduce it below.



at this point I gave up reading because you sound like you're arbitrarily deciding on residency to suit your agenda. not a concrete argument so I starting switching off if coffeeshop talk turns into fudge territory.



I think the problem is that whilst your proposition is credible, your supporting arguments seem arbitrarily picked and you chose to lead with those instead. You should have just started with your proposition first and mentioned that the banglas are quarantined and sequestered and pose no further threat or risk to the general populace. It would have been more credible that way.

edit : oh and sorry to hear about you missing out on an A. We all do things like that from time to time.

I was also thrown out of the school debating team because I tended to preach rather than present my case.

 

[nightsafari]

I was also thrown out of the school debating team because I tended to preach rather than present my case.

so nothing has changed!!

 

[A Singaporean]

Typical PAP running dog. Always find ways to push the responsibility to someone else. The cruise ship was in the ocean when the virus started and not under the jurisdiction of the Japanese gahmen. The Blangas are infected on Singapore land. Stupid.

 

[bobby]

If all these foreign workers were banished to their dorms and only travel from worksites to dorms everyday, day in day out, then yes, we should seperate their numbers from our own people’s. But these workers are the ones that shared the same transportation networks, food centres and even recreational areas with people like you & I.

 

[garlic]

Let's not focus too much on infections, even though it's depressing.

1) Prolonged shutdown of the counry is impossible.. in fact no country can afford to do that
2) Vaccine is at least a year away if there is to be any, most countries will reopen before vaccine is available and infections rate will climb
3) Deaths are inevitable in a global pandemic, if the death numbers are below or near the flu's level, as hard as it is, one can argue it is acceptable (in SG, 600+ ppl die of flu) Not a perfect scenario, but perfect scenario is vaccine or cure, which is at least a year away, if any.
4) Do whatever it takes to protect the elderly and frail, the good thing so far is that the virus is predictable in it's killing (so far)... anomalies arise, but they are just that, anomalies. Take steps to semi-isolate patients in seniorcare, take extra precautions when in close proximity to elderlies, whatever.
5) Case for herd immunity is showing signs that it is feasible, there is no perfect scenario, there will be pain... but increased healthcare capacity with increased mitigation for vulnerable people seems more and more a plan.
6) Cabin fever is a real thing

Even if we do not agree, countries will reopen without a vaccine, clinical trials take that long, covid19 will be endemic and live with us. 11 people have died, yet billions have been spent, reserves utilized and tens of thousands are on furlough or made redundant. Gradual reopen will happen, infections will rise in tandem... focus on keeping deaths low.

 

[nightsafari]

Let's not focus too much on infections, even though it's depressing.

1) Prolonged shutdown of the counry is impossible.. in fact no country can afford to do that
2) Vaccine is at least a year away if there is to be any, most countries will reopen before vaccine is available and infections rate will climb
3) Deaths are inevitable in a global pandemic, if the death numbers are below or near the flu's level, as hard as it is, one can argue it is acceptable (in SG, 600+ ppl die of flu) Not a perfect scenario, but perfect scenario is vaccine or cure, which is at least a year away, if any.
4) Do whatever it takes to protect the elderly and frail, the good thing so far is that the virus is predictable in it's killing (so far)... anomalies arise, but they are just that, anomalies. Take steps to semi-isolate patients in seniorcare, take extra precautions when in close proximity to elderlies, whatever.
5) Case for herd immunity is showing signs that it is feasible, there is no perfect scenario, there will be pain... but increased healthcare capacity with increased mitigation for vulnerable people seems more and more a plan.
6) Cabin fever is a real thing

Even if we do not agree, countries will reopen without a vaccine, clinical trials take that long, covid19 will be endemic and live with us. 11 people have died, yet billions have been spent, reserves utilized and tens of thousands are on furlough or made redundant. Gradual reopen will happen, infections will rise in tandem... focus on keeping deaths low.

sensible.

 

[jw5]

I don't count these banglas as part of Sinkie Covid-19 stats. I count these banglas as Josephine Teo's Covid-19 stats.