Seriously why do we have to count those Banglas as part of Sinkie Covid-19 stats??

[Leongsam]

When the Diamond Princess was moored in Yokohama port the number of cases and deaths was treated as a separate entity. They were not included in Japan's case count despite the fact that the ship was in Japan's sovereign territory.

https://epidemic-stats.com/coronavirus/diamond-princess.

So when reporting the stats this coolie workforce should be a separate count labeled "Bangla Dormitories" and excluded from the Singapore count.

This will then give a far better picture of how things are going for the actual residents of the Island.

Otherwise we'll end up in a situation where, a month from now, there could well be ZERO new cases among citizens and PRs etc but the lockdown can't be lifted just because the virus is still spreading in a bunch of foreign workers.

 

[nightsafari]

er.... because the banglas are resident in singapore??

and the people in the diamond princess were in transit??

 

[sam heng]

It is too early to separate the count, they scare people will criticise them. they will do it in due time.

 

[Leongsam]

er.... because they are resident in singapore??

and the people in the diamond princess were in transit??

They may not be in transit but they definitely are transient. They come, earn the money, fuck the maids and then go home to live a life of relative luxury back home.

In transit... transient... the only difference is the duration. Ultimately neither are an integral part of the society that is hosting them on a temporary basis.

I'm sure they aren't included when Singapore calculates per Capita GDP. They aren't included when Singapore compiles stats for "Life expectancy" or "fertility rate" and so on so why do they have the dubious privilege of sullying our Covid-19 count?

 

[sweetiepie]

When the Diamond Princess was moored in Yokohama port the number of cases and deaths was treated as a separate entity. They were not included in Japan's case count despite the fact that the ship was in Japan's sovereign territory.

https://epidemic-stats.com/coronavirus/diamond-princess.

So when reporting the stats this coolie workforce should be a separate count labeled "Bangla Dormitories" and excluded from the Singapore count.

This will then give a far better picture of how things are going for the actual residents of the Island.

Otherwise we'll end up in a situation where, a month from now, there could well be ZERO new cases among citizens and PRs etc but the lockdown can't be lifted just because the virus is still spreading in a bunch of foreign workers.


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KNN my uncle is totally with you on separating the dormitories count to have a more accurate community spread numbers KNN but same time the dormitories count should be archived and later when things are stabilized mom and pap head should roll for this incident with no debate KNN pap cannot sweep this under carpet with the leeson of "if I had known earlier" becas such statement only used by punters on soccer and horse betting with @ginfreely also singled out KNN

 

[nightsafari]

They may not be in transit but they definitely are transient. They come, earn the money, fuck the maids and then go home to live a life of relative luxury back home.

In transit... transient... the only difference is the duration. Ultimately neither are an integral part of the society that is hosting them on a temporary basis.

I'm sure they aren't included when Singapore calculates per Capita GDP. They aren't included when Singapore compiles stats for "Life expectancy" or "fertility rate" and so on so why do they have the dubious privilege of sullying our Covid-19 count?

well the duration's the killer isn't it?

they got a work pass so they get counted because they're part of the population that should be fed, sheltered and medicalled for the duration of pass. If the termination of said pass is likely to end at a date later than the peak of hospital bed demand this virus will create, it would be logical to include them in the count because they will place a direct strain on scarce resources that need to be marshalled for their needs.

I don't remember for sure how the diamond princess ended, but I'm pretty sure that all the time, the Japs were thinking : "Damn! how do we get rid of all these gaijins as quickly and expeditiously as possible back to their homelands without them setting foot on Nipponese soil!"

As to why they need to be here in the 1st place, that's not for me to answer But it's best known to people who issue the pass in the 1st place.

Well if they're here for 14 days and get counted, then yeah I'd be up in arms too.

 

[rocket]

Bangla part of the community in Singapore

 

[Leongsam]

well the duration's the killer isn't it?

they got a work pass so they get counted because they're part of the population that should be fed, sheltered and medicalled for the duration of pass. If the termination of said pass is likely to end at a date later than the peak of hospital bed demand this virus will create, it would be logical to include them in the count because they will place a direct strain on scarce resources that need to be marshalled for their needs.

I don't remember for sure how the diamond princess ended, but I'm pretty sure that all the time, the Japs were thinking : "Damn! how do we get rid of all these gaijins as quickly and expeditiously as possible back to their homelands without them setting foot on Nipponese soil!"

As to why they need to be here in the 1st place, that's not for me to answer But it's best known to people who issue the pass in the 1st place.

Well if they're here for 14 days and get counted, then yeah I'd be up in arms too.

There are two factors that justify why they should not be included.

1. As I already mentioned they are a transient workforce.

2. They are not part of Singapore society. They live in their own world of filth and squalor which is not representative of the high standards that Singapore provides to those who actually matter.

Just look at the way they are transported in Singapore. Isn't it obvious that they are an entirely different entity altogether? Would you put your loved ones in the back of a pickup truck??

 

[CPTMiller]

Boss sam is right.
We should just ignore the wp blangah indian Myanmar thai workers infection numbers.
Like this we feel better

 

[nightsafari]

There are two factors that justify why they should not be included.

1. As I already mentioned they are a transient workforce.

2. They are not part of Singapore society. They live in their own world of filth and squalor which is not representative of the high standards that Singapore provides to those who actually matter.

Just look at the way they are transported in Singapore. Isn't it obvious that they are an entirely different entity altogether? Would you put your loved ones in the back of a pickup truck??

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And however good your points are, the government still has to find adequate food supplies, housing space and hospital beds for them, otherwise they will :

1. riot because they're being cooped up in some hole they can't stand to be in
2. drop dead like flies with no medical attention
3. drop dead from lack of food without adequate supplies

especially with #2 and #3, country of origin of these people will be up in arms. I don't know what the ultimate result will be, but it's safe to assume that it's a situation that the government would wish to avoid. so it makes sense to factor these people in no matter how troglodytic they may appear, because you simply have to factor for their needs. in my mind it's as simple as that.

as for transporting loved ones in the back of a pickup truck, we should start another thread on that, because it's going to be a long one... but if you want to read about it instead of listening to me, check out this book 1st published in 1895 (no that's not a mistake). It's about a time machine.

but what I really, really want to know from john and you is why these people are in singapore in the 1st place if they're so undesirable? Makes no sense to let them in if you don't want them here. I am confused...

 

[myfoot123]

They may not be in transit but they definitely are transient. They come, earn the money, fuck the maids and then go home to live a life of relative luxury back home.

By your definition, Singapore population is only 3.5 millions and not 6.3 millions?

 

[Leongsam]

And however good your points are, the government still has to find adequate food supplies, housing space and hospital beds for them, otherwise they will :

1. riot because they're being cooped up in some hole they can't stand to be in
2. drop dead like flies with no medical attention
3. drop dead from lack of food without adequate supplies

especially with #2 and #3, country of origin of these people will be up in arms. I don't know what the ultimate result will be, but it's safe to assume that it's a situation that the government would wish to avoid. so it makes sense to factor these people in no matter how troglodytic they may appear, because you simply have to factor for their needs. in my mind it's as simple as that.

as for transporting loved ones in the back of a pickup truck, we should start another thread on that, because it's going to be a long one... but if you want to read about it instead of listening to me, check out this book 1st published in 1895 (no that's not a mistake). It's about a time machine.

but what I really, really want to know from john and you is why these people are in singapore in the 1st place if they're so undesirable? Makes no sense to let them in if you don't want them here. I am confused...

You're misunderstanding where I am coming from. I am not saying abandon them and let them rot although that is an option.

The government can still lavish care on them and ensure that they all get through this ordeal. All I'm saying is that there is enough justification not to include them in Singapore's covid-19 stats. They should be in separate category just as they are in our day to day lives.

 

[Leongsam]

By your definition, Singapore population is only 3.5 millions and not 6.3 millions?

You're splitting hairs. You can include whatever you want in the population count but that does not mean they everyone has equal rights and obligations.

EG for National Service only male citizens are included when it comes to eligibility. For minority groups they can only sell their flats to another minority group.

If we can create a sub category of the population that have additional obligations why can't we also create a sub category that are not part of the Covid-19 count?

 

[nightsafari]

You're misunderstanding where I am coming from. I am not saying abandon them and let them rot although that is an option.

The government can still lavish care on them and ensure that they all get through this ordeal. All I'm saying is that there is enough justification not to include them in Singapore's covid-19 stats. They should be in separate category just as they are in our day to day lives.

ok. so I'm a bit thick, but what does separating the stats achieve? I fail to see an obvious benefit or purpose.

Now I may be smoking something illegal and hallucinating, but I view them as integral to the functioning of this economy.

 

[dredd]

I agree. They should not be counted as they aren't Sinkeepoos. They have been rounded up and taken out of circulation. By continuing to count them in will make other countries misconstrue the actual number of infected real sinkees which have been going down. Yesterday's real number of infection is 16, which is a very good sign.

 

[myfoot123]

You're splitting hairs. You can include whatever you want in the population count but that does not mean they everyone has equal rights and obligations.

EG for National Service only male citizens are included when it comes to eligibility. For minority groups they can only sell their flats to another minority group.

If we can create a sub category of the population that have additional obligations why can't we also create a sub category that are not part of the Covid-19 count?

Because Convid-19 virus are blind to all sort of human category. When you set fire in a house, you don't count casualties by excluding those not closest to you in the house.

 

[Leongsam]

ok. so I'm a bit thick, but what does separating the stats achieve? I fail to see an obvious benefit or purpose.

Now I may be smoking something illegal and hallucinating, but I view them as integral to the functioning of this economy.

I already explained the reasons.

1. To make the stats better reflect the excellent achievements of the PAP in keeping Singaporeans safe.

2. To enable the lockdown to be lifted once the new cases within the Singapore community is reduced significantly.

If we don't separate the stats we'll all be stuck at home just because the virus is still spreading among some transient workers that have already been quarantined and roped off from the rest of us.

 

[Valium]

Obviously they are just modern slaves treated as such. Their only link is that they have all fucked our national chicken @ginfreely.

 

[Leongsam]

Because Convid-19 virus are blind to all sort of human category. When you set fire in a house, you don't count casualties by excluding those not closest to you in the house.

When a plane which is carrying 10 Singaporeans crashes the ST headlines will be "10 Singaporeans killed in plane crash". ST does not bother about the fact that 200 tiongs, 50 Ah Nehs, 22 Ethiopians, and 12 South Africans also died. The focus is on sinkies.

So same applies with Covid-19. Focus on those that are part of Singapore not some transient workers.

 

[laksaboy]

Because Singapore belongs to everyone, and they are the spice in the Singapore mix.