'Revelations' from SDP EGM last night

[ray_of_hope]

hahaha....at least 1 CEC member (VW) has openly declared that he was disappointed that he was not chosen to take part....
go figure???

He could indeed have had ambitions to take part, simply because he is facing a lawsuit and maybe had hoped a strong vote for him could be interpreted as voters not agreeing with lawsuits. If that was the case, he is deluded on both counts.

 

[Fook Seng]

A deal could be struck: let CSJ, who's just been discharged from bankruptcy, lead the GE2016 team with the explicit understanding he and the old guard will step down after and hand over leadership to a new team in time for GE2021.

This is too slow a change for the rest of the Opposition. They want to capture one-third of the seats by 2016 and this requires practically all the major parties to achieve similar to WP's performance in GE 2011. SDP needs to up its target and this can be done only with a platform shift towards the middle.

 

[Fook Seng]

2 possibilities: 1. they wanted to contest while hoping to achieve a consensus with the other parties, but pulled out when that consensus could not be achieved; 2. it could be a ploy to convince supporters how SDP's call for unity will be rebuffed.

I am very astonished that you really believe these. It is very gullible of you. No mistakes made by the SDP leadership and the best harmless interpretations of their actions?

 

[Fook Seng]

He could indeed have had ambitions to take part, simply because he is facing a lawsuit and maybe had hoped a strong vote for him could be interpreted as voters not agreeing with lawsuits. If that was the case, he is deluded on both counts.

He is probably going through the very train of events in clashes with the PAP as CSJ did many years ago. I hope he does not turn into a CSF II 5 years down the road.

 

[cass888]

He should check his facts rather than listen to the MONGREL who bit his masters' hands LOUDHAILER chee soon juan.

He is probably going through the very train of events in clashes with the PAP as CSJ did many years ago. I hope he does not turn into a CSF II 5 years down the road.

 

[yellowarse]

I am very astonished that you really believe these. It is very gullible of you. No mistakes made by the SDP leadership and the best harmless interpretations of their actions?

On the contrary, publishing the e-mails and the offer to WP was a huge mistake on the part of the SDP leadership. That forced their hand.

 

[ray_of_hope]

He should check his facts rather than listen to the MONGREL who bit his masters' hands LOUDHAILER chee soon juan.

That's why VW appears to be a hardcore support of CSJ. Birds of a feather.
With such a crowd the party will never recover. It will only recover if a good
man, like Dr Paul Tambyah, comes to the fore and leads it. Otherwise, the
party is doomed.

 

[metalmickey]

Unless they can get more people like Dr Paul Tambyah. I looked at his Facebook for the first time yesterday and was quite amazed.

He puts up a link about SDP's contest. He puts up a link by a WP member welcoming multi-contests and says it's a good piece. He puts up a link about unified candidate and also says it's a good piece. He puts up a link from AYG welcoming SDP pulling out. Then he sends his wishes to LLL.

Despite his intelligence, he doesn't seem to have a political opinion. Or is he just a super-ultra nice guy.

Once such people join a party, they will stay put. The trick is for SDP to grab them first.

I saw him speaking at a few of the SDP rallies during GE 2011, and I was amazed. I remember thinking, "OK, this is so different from the SDP we used to know". Remember that Chee Soon Juan was kicked out of NUS for being SDP. Now this guy is another prof and he just keeps on blasting the PAP on health care and he don't give a shit. It was impressive.

 

[metalmickey]

CSJ did a lot of crazy things in the past and if you track his work, he was not the only one doing it, the whole party and even his sister followed his crazy foot steps. In fact this gimmick he pulled is already damn mild.

Are you an SDP member? Put it this way. There had been an upsurge in the popularity of the SDP for the last few years and a lot of it is down to the impression projected by the new guys that SDP is not interested in doing this sort of stuff anymore.

 

[metalmickey]

hahaha. I said you gave the impression and that is what you did. Simply an empty vessel, hence lots of noise emanates.

If I give you the impression of being a sexy female AV star, will you fuck me?

 

[metalmickey]

Maybe they wanted to contest but after his GRAND COMPROMISE they voted to pull out and wanted to whack him.

I'm pretty amazed that people in SDP thought that there was a possibility that WP would not be competing in Punggol East BE. They should have understood right from the beginning that there are only 2 scenarios:

1. SDP doesn't contest
2. SDP joines a multi-corner fight.

 

[cass888]

If he loves the MONGREL who bit his masters' hands LOUDHAILER chee soon juan so much, he should correct the MONGREL rather than accept his assertions as gospel truth!

That's why VW appears to be a hardcore support of CSJ. Birds of a feather.
With such a crowd the party will never recover. It will only recover if a good
man, like Dr Paul Tambyah, comes to the fore and leads it. Otherwise, the
party is doomed.

 

[metalmickey]

That's why VW appears to be a hardcore support of CSJ. Birds of a feather.
With such a crowd the party will never recover. It will only recover if a good
man, like Dr Paul Tambyah, comes to the fore and leads it. Otherwise, the
party is doomed.

Hope that VW is better than that. Unlike CSJ who's mainly famous for being a loudhailer and a street protestor, VW is a social worker and can actually say that he's done something useful with his life.

 

[denzuko1]

Are you an SDP member? Put it this way. There had been an upsurge in the popularity of the SDP for the last few years and a lot of it is down to the impression projected by the new guys that SDP is not interested in doing this sort of stuff anymore.

My answer is consistent "no."

SDP was not the only one with an up-surge in popularity since the last election. NSP for instance also has an up-surge. SDP was because of TJS & VW while NSP Nicole.

Like I said, I am merely observing. I think SDP's strategy well played. Pulling out on the last minute (even if it is due to the EGM) claiming that they withdraw because they listen to the voice of Singaporeans. Further more, message already sent and with RP and SDA jumping in, they can just sit back and relax.

Already you are seeing thank you notes on TREmeritus.com to SDP for the withdrawal.

 

[metalmickey]

Like I said, I am merely observing. I think SDP's strategy well played. Pulling out on the last minute (even if it is due to the EGM) claiming that they withdraw because they listen to the voice of Singaporeans. Further more, message already sent and with RP and SDA jumping in, they can just sit back and relax.

Well previiously you were egging SDP to get on with the multi corner fight.

 

[ray_of_hope]

SDP members would spin any story to make them look good,

 

[denzuko1]

Well previiously you were egging SDP to get on with the multi corner fight.

No, not egging, I was reading that they are going into a multi-corner fight and it will be good for the opposition unity.

If I am egging, I would have written to them directly. You think that the political parties take this forum seriously and will listen to the people here to derive their strategy?

 

[metalmickey]

No, not egging, I was reading that they are going into a multi-corner fight and it will be good for the opposition unity.

If I am egging, I would have written to them directly. You think that the political parties take this forum seriously and will listen to the people here to derive their strategy?

Actually I do. It is not the same as saying that what any one person does will influence anything. But they can gauge the general mood of things, reactions to what they say. One person, one voice, no. The general mood, yes.

I don't think this quarrel has been good for opposition unity. Even though it brings to the surface issues that had been simmering underneath previously, I don't think the way that the SDP - WP handled things is good. If Chee Soon Juan had instead phrased it more like how Tan Jee Say phrased it on his facebook note it would have been better.

 

[kukubird58]

Like I said, I am merely observing. I think SDP's strategy well played. Pulling out on the last minute (even if it is due to the EGM) claiming that they withdraw because they listen to the voice of Singaporeans. .

hahaha....preventing MCF is a tune that is repeated at every election...
so csj must be slumberland all this while (last 20yrs) and just woke up yesterday....
this is what happen when u try to dig yourself out of a hole.

 

[denzuko1]

Actually I do. It is not the same as saying that what any one person does will influence anything. But they can gauge the general mood of things, reactions to what they say. One person, one voice, no. The general mood, yes.

I don't think this quarrel has been good for opposition unity. Even though it brings to the surface issues that had been simmering underneath previously, I don't think the way that the SDP - WP handled things is good. If Chee Soon Juan had instead phrased it more like how Tan Jee Say phrased it on his facebook note it would have been better.

You should really try to write to them directly and see how they will react to your suggestions.

Trust me, they won't bother to even give an automatic response. And if they won't even bother with fans writing to them, you can forget about them taking suggestions from forumers. WP is especially particular about its members engaging public in forum discussion, you can check with goh Meng Seng.

Another thing about "politicians" in Singapore is that they are highly stubborn and would think that they know more than you. Your opinion won't be accepted unless yours is the same aas theirs.

Like I said before, there is no opposition unity in Singapore. How can there be when they won't even talk to each other?