Red Card on race issues at Speakers' Corner

[one2unite]

Other channels like what useless EX MP Mr Ravindran ?

He and his ilk are the Samy Veloos of Singapore. To please their PAP masters they remain "diam, diam" and in return fatten their bank accounts.

 

[one2unite]

Race, language, religion, why cannot be discussed? PAP said so? But why?? Why is it those issues cannot discussed in an open forum??

Only the fascist PAP can raise these issues.

Only Lee Kuan Yew can say that Dhanabalan cannot become prime minister of Singapore.

Only the PAP govt can say that Malays cannot be deployed in sensitive areas of the armed forces.

Only Lee Kuan Yew can say that Singapore's population should be maintained at more than 75 per cent Chinese through importation of alien Chinese.

Only the PAP can say there should be a racial quota in HDB estates.

Others are not allowed to open their mouths, for such issues would lead to "racial and religious riots". Fascist PAP govt will let loose the ISA on those others wanting to speak on the open discrimination.

 

[myjohnson]

If I were to follow the line of some people, 21 July and 2 Sept 1964 in Singapore as well as 13 May 1969 is ancient history that should be consigned to archives to be read by future generations for amusement of the folly of their forebears. That in present day Singapore, the one nation, one people concept is a fact of life fully embraced by all races as evidenced by scenes of our daily lives. That there is no sense of insecurity on the part of the minorities. That Chinese, Malay and Indian chauvinism are words conjured up by the ruling junta for political expediency. Issues of race and religion should be a no holds barred example of democracy in it's full splendour. Yup, Singapore is now a matured and confident nation. While we are at it, in order to show that confidence, do the politically correct thing by having the four official language represented in all legal and official documents. Be prepared to include Tagalog too.

 

[one2unite]

If I were to follow the line of some people, 21 July and 2 Sept 1964 in Singapore as well as 13 May 1969 is ancient history that should be consigned to archives to be read by future generations for amusement of the folly of their forebears. That in present day Singapore, the one nation, one people concept is a fact of life fully embraced by all races as evidenced by scenes of our daily lives. That there is no sense of insecurity on the part of the minorities. That Chinese, Malay and Indian chauvinism are words conjured up by the ruling junta for political expediency. Issues of race and religion should be a no holds barred example of democracy in it's full splendour. Yup, Singapore is now a matured and confident nation. While we are at it, in order to show that confidence, do the politically correct thing by having the four official language represented in all legal and official documents. Be prepared to include Tagalog too.

The problem has arisen because the PAP govt has decided to exclude on its signages one of the four official languages Tamil. This is something that cannot be allowed to happen.

By the way, there is no agitation for Swahili to be included in signs!

 

[Ramseth]

In Changi Airport, the gate and carpet to Singapore, there're nowadays usually 3 languages used on signboards, English, Chinese and Japanese. It's not surprising that some of our Indian or even Malay compatriots felt disturbed or even slighted, that they're presumed to understand English and their languages needn't have a place.

In the old Payar Lebar Airport and Changi Airport in the early 80s, for those who have visited then and remember, English was the sole language on the signages.

I can understand and appreciate that the airport authority should make decisions based on practicality, not on politics. The volume of PRC, ROC, HK and Japanese visitors who cannot be presumed to understand English warranted the addition of Chinese and Japanese. Even US, European and Australian airports have added Japanese to their signages during the "yen boom" of the late 80s and early 90s.

Notice that Chinese signages were not there because of the local Chinese majority. They were up there for the PRC arrival boom from the late 90s to the 2000s. Singapore have been receiving many visitors from the Indian subcontinent too, but Tamil is not the language for most them. Tamil is the language of most of local Indians and those from Tamil Nadu. The rest of India, Pakistan, Bangladesh etc. don't speak Tamil. It's unlike the case of China and Chinese, who with whichever dialect, the written script is the same.

 

[char_jig_kar]

If I were to follow the line of some people, 21 July and 2 Sept 1964 in Singapore as well as 13 May 1969 is ancient history that should be consigned to archives to be read by future generations for amusement of the folly of their forebears. That in present day Singapore, the one nation, one people concept is a fact of life fully embraced by all races as evidenced by scenes of our daily lives. That there is no sense of insecurity on the part of the minorities. That Chinese, Malay and Indian chauvinism are words conjured up by the ruling junta for political expediency. Issues of race and religion should be a no holds barred example of democracy in it's full splendour. Yup, Singapore is now a matured and confident nation. While we are at it, in order to show that confidence, do the politically correct thing by having the four official language represented in all legal and official documents. Be prepared to include Tagalog too.

oh, so everything sweep under the carpet, that will help the country to mature in those areas such as language, race and religion? so when then can be discussed? when PAP govt green light it? when they nod their head?

PAP they had talk about racial issue publicly in many occasion. so racial, language topics cannot be discussed publicly by singaporeans 'cause singaporeans are immature? only the PAP are mature enuf to talk about those topics in the public?? wat kind of weird shit logic is that?

 

[myjohnson]

Is there any guarantee of restrain by one and all?

 

[Ramseth]

What is the PAP government concern over? Or rather the police? That such a language topic will lead to the spectators at Speakers' Corner getting into a fight? There is not fight leh, why is the police making it seem that they are banning a fight? Please lah...stop treating us like a kid who has not grown in maturity to be able to make independent judgement. Also, not everyone is like clinton whatever. It is a mistake to quote the extreme and use it to generalise.

Exactly. It's supposed to be Speakers' Corner. Any topics will do. If someone's immature enough to start a physical fight, then arrest that someone. If someone makes an erroneous statement, correct it. If someone asks a question, reply to it. If someone's malicious enough to slander, then sue. All these should be part and parcel of a vibrant society. To try to achieve "perfect tranquility" by banning this or that, will only lead to false calm at surface ripples but turbulence beneath the surface.

 

[char_jig_kar]

Is there any guarantee of restrain by one and all?

so when PAP wanna talk about racial issue in the public, they no need any assurance and guarantee. but when public wanna talk about racial issue, they need guarantee of restrain?

are u saying PAP is mature, but singaporeans are not mature?

 

[myjohnson]

Only the fascist PAP can raise these issues.

Only Lee Kuan Yew can say that Dhanabalan cannot become prime minister of Singapore.

Only the PAP govt can say that Malays cannot be deployed in sensitive areas of the armed forces.

Only Lee Kuan Yew can say that Singapore's population should be maintained at more than 75 per cent Chinese through importation of alien Chinese.

Only the PAP can say there should be a racial quota in HDB estates.

Others are not allowed to open their mouths, for such issues would lead to "racial and religious riots". Fascist PAP govt will let loose the ISA on those others wanting to speak on the open discrimination.

Any regards of the opinions of the silent majority? In a perfect world, a family should not be running a nation and it's not just S'POre.

 

[one2unite]

I can understand and appreciate that the airport authority should make decisions based on practicality, not on politics. The volume of PRC, ROC, HK and Japanese visitors who cannot be presumed to understand English warranted the addition of Chinese and Japanese. Even US, European and Australian airports have added Japanese to their signages during the "yen boom" of the late 80s and early 90s.

Notice that Chinese signages were not there because of the local Chinese majority. They were up there for the PRC arrival boom from the late 90s to the 2000s. Singapore have been receiving many visitors from the Indian subcontinent too, but Tamil is not the language for most them. Tamil is the language of most of local Indians and those from Tamil Nadu. The rest of India, Pakistan, Bangladesh etc. don't speak Tamil. It's unlike the case of China and Chinese, who with whichever dialect, the written script is the same.

The majority Indians visiting Singapore are from Tamil Nadu. This is evident from the large number of flights by various airlines heading towards and arriving from places in Tamil Nadu.

By the way, it is not the question of utilitarian, but it is one of equal treatment to all four official languages, Tamil being one of them. There is no quarrel over the use of Japanese or Swahili. But why exclude Tamil only while allowing all the other three languages, including Malay on the signages?

Singapore as an independent, sovereign nation came into existence purely because of geopolitical reality.

Also, why can't this Tamil language issue be raised at the liberalized speakers corner?

 

[myjohnson]

so when PAP wanna talk about racial issue in the public, they no need any assurance and guarantee. but when public wanna talk about racial issue, they need guarantee of restrain?

are u saying PAP is mature, but singaporeans are not mature?

How I wish there is computer game that simulates the day to day running of Spore where the player is the political leader. But I don't believe for a moment that technology can cover all the parameters, after all we are talking about dealing with human nature.

 

[one2unite]

Any regards of the opinions of the silent majority? In a perfect world, a family should not be running a nation and it's not just S'POre.

It looks like only fascist Lee Kuan Yew is allowed to raise the highly seditious and treasonable offence of re-merger with Malaysia.

 

[Ramseth]

Also, why can't this Tamil language issue be raised at the liberalized speakers corner?

I support the bringing up of this issue, as mentioned in my previous post. The authorities shouldn't avoid answering by banning questioning.

 

[myjohnson]

Don't we all possess cultural traits that are rather disruptive and in extreme cases even destructive?

 

[chinkangkor]

In Changi Airport, the gate and carpet to Singapore, there're nowadays usually 3 languages used on signboards, English, Chinese and Japanese. It's not surprising that some of our Indian or even Malay compatriots felt disturbed or even slighted, that they're presumed to understand English and their languages needn't have a place.

In the old Payar Lebar Airport and Changi Airport in the early 80s, for those who have visited then and remember, English was the sole language on the signages.

I can understand and appreciate that the airport authority should make decisions based on practicality, not on politics. The volume of PRC, ROC, HK and Japanese visitors who cannot be presumed to understand English warranted the addition of Chinese and Japanese. Even US, European and Australian airports have added Japanese to their signages during the "yen boom" of the late 80s and early 90s.

Notice that Chinese signages were not there because of the local Chinese majority. They were up there for the PRC arrival boom from the late 90s to the 2000s. Singapore have been receiving many visitors from the Indian subcontinent too, but Tamil is not the language for most them. Tamil is the language of most of local Indians and those from Tamil Nadu. The rest of India, Pakistan, Bangladesh etc. don't speak Tamil. It's unlike the case of China and Chinese, who with whichever dialect, the written script is the same.

What you've said is exactly my sentiments too. The signages are not symbols for official languages.

All govt letters to residents are in four official languages and the status of Tamil has not changed at all.

 

[myjohnson]

It looks like only fascist Lee Kuan Yew is allowed to raise the highly seditious and treasonable offence of re-merger with Malaysia.

Why discount that possibilty? Not that I'll break out the champagne to celebrate. For that matter why do business entities merge?

 

[Porfirio Rubirosa]

Police will shut him down asap.

maybe thamilselvan should hold placards and demonstrate rather than to apply to speak at speakers' corner.

 

[myjohnson]

Police will shut him down asap.

I am looking forward to hearing your views on this issue.

 

[one2unite]

I support the bringing up of this issue, as mentioned in my previous post. The authorities shouldn't avoid answering by banning questioning.

Only in a fascist state that a ban of this nature is forced down a section of the hapless masses.

There is no argument over the use of Japanese, Swahili or Inuit on signages. But why exclude Tamil only, one of the four official languages?