Race a Taboo Subject? Lets discuss.

[scroobal]

Now might be the time to discuss race issues in Singapore in a mature and responsible way. I am delighted by Forummers SGMalay and Hossey for sharing their views and their challenges.

SG Malay - http://www.singsupplies.com/showpost.php?p=328884&postcount=1

Hossey - http://www.singsupplies.com/showpost.php?p=329606&postcount=79

Both are clearly sincere and like them, many are looking for answers to bridge gaps and reach an understanding.

There are couple of observations that I would like to make;
1) This government notion of harmony is divide and rule with heavy dose of laws to maintain order. As long as there are no racial incident, somehow that in their view means harmony.

2) Those who grew up in the early years will clearly recall the camaderie enjoyed between the 4 main racial groups.

3) Policies are now seem to be addressing issues along racial lines. Its started with the elections and parliamentary seats, then it went into housing, then education, now self help groups with even job placements along racial lines.

Let me start with the Malays. Will follow up with the Indians, the Eurasians and us Chinese.

 

[leetahbar]

the paps have been using that as an excuse to win votes and set racial goalposts GRCs.

are u some kind of enhancer to this issue?

singapore has already come so far. whatever race one belongs too, we are now collectively called SINGAPOREANS.

so stop comparing races unless u reveal what's behind the agenda of this thread.

 

[Equalisation]

...*pinch* ....bayee what color ??:o

 

[scroobal]

The Malays - my views

This is their land, a land that had been bountiful with little or no natural disasters with great climate and great soil. It has led them over centuries to have a sedentary and quiet life. Contented people. This then becomes heavily embedded over time and becomes a cultural trait. Competition was limited and competing was never a trait to be admired.

The world has progressed, Malaya saw migration, Singapore became an important port. The challenge for the malays is to get on the race track and compete. The challenge is also not to give up their status of being the indigenous people of this land but to ensure that they show leadership within ther community and outside. Fight to raise their standards, match the others and go for the top.

What they should not do at all cost is to withdraw, become insular and find excuses. There are others that would encourage the Malays to become detached to serve their own needs. They need to demand a seat at the table. They need to be politically savvy. They need to catch the communal social ills of their society that are pretty much stereotyped by the throat and not let it get any worse. They need to remember that the educational model to advance is not based on Chinese, Indian or Asian values but that of the west. Its a vehicle that they have to embrace and ride it as far they can go.

On the political front, they need to engage other parties and help drive agendas that serve the country's needs. On the social front, they need to get back to a position where they were renown previously for their hospitality and civic mindedness.

 

[Jah_rastafar_I]

Jesus Christ screwball at it again.


Nice write up on the malays. No shit sherlock, thanks for the hot tip. The grass is green and the sky is blue, we've all learnt something new.

 

[phouse3]

I petition the moderator to move this thread and all threads relating to religion and race to the trash folder.

This kind of thread will attract more similar threads. It is already happening. As Sinkies cannot hold mature discussion, name-calling is bound to happen.

 

[SIFU]

I petition the moderator to move this thread and all threads relating to religion and race to the trash folder.

This kind of thread will attract more similar threads. It is already happening. As Sinkies cannot hold mature discussion, name-calling is bound to happen.

name-calling

the moderator here is as guilty as anybody else..

 

[angie ll]

I petition the moderator to move this thread and all threads relating to religion and race to the trash folder.

This kind of thread will attract more similar threads. It is already happening. As Sinkies cannot hold mature discussion, name-calling is bound to happen.

well, in that case... i think you are a moron without wits!

 

[Pek Kim Lui]

Under all that racial harmony banner is actually a powder keg. All that is required is the right excuse and before you know it everyone will be at everyone else's throat.

Joke is unless you are of the race, you have no authority to comment on them and that any comments are racists. Thus any form of discussion is muted.

The important thing to remember is that end of the day it is the person that we are dealing with and not the race. That we sometimes forget. No one race on earth has a sole monopoly on being assholes and jerks.

 

[scroobal]

Let see how it goes. You can contribute by proving your views in a mature and responsible manner.

The threat of communal upheaval long projected by the PAP cannot go one forever.

Like any subject, do expect some people with little knowledge and having insecurities to chip in but treat it as noise.

It is already happening. As Sinkies cannot hold mature discussion, name-calling is bound to happen.

 

[scroobal]

That is exactly PAP's tack for last 50 years - no one has authority to comment on race.Treat society like your family. Feedback will only nuture values. Neglect and silence will only contribute to deliquency and the child growing up to be a social outcast. This applies to all races. If don't look at each other, no one else inside or outside country will do.

Have courage to give your views.

Agree with the last sentence.

Under all that racial harmony banner is actually a powder keg. All that is required is the right excuse and before you know it everyone will be at everyone else's throat.

Joke is unless you are of the race, you have no authority to comment on them and that any comments are racists. Thus any form of discussion is muted.

The important thing to remember is that end of the day it is the person that we are dealing with and not the race. That we sometimes forget. No one race on earth has a sole monopoly on being assholes and jerks.

 

[Ramseth]

Let see how it goes. You can contribute by proving your views in a mature and responsible manner.

The threat of communal upheaval long projected by the PAP cannot go one forever.

Like any subject, do expect some people with little knowledge and having insecurities to chip in but treat it as noise.

I agree, but the noise when systematically orchestrated and repeatedly piped through can have sublimal or even hypnotic effects on the masses.

 

[i_am_belle]

i learnt that ppl of other races find local chinese to be arrogant, insensitive, tactless, curt, brusque, & inconsiderate ... even PRC find this of local chinese ...

indians are smart enuff to put on a front & act as if nothing is wrong, malays on the other hand are - hypersensitive & easily offended & self-righteous - so try to fight back, leading to deteriorating relationship betw them & chinese in recent years ...

why i lurk around expat forum ? u think i SPG ar ? no, i want to see if there are conflicts due to culture clash betw ourselves & ppl from other countries ...

expat forum is quite peaceful these days, but in the past, there were lots of exchanges that went like this - (quite entertaining though) ...

western expat - i don't like to be called 'angmo' ...

local (presumably chinese) - its ok, harmless, angmo means 'red hair'

[actually angmo means 'red devil' as in manchester united, but alot of locals don't know this either]

western expat - still i don't like to be called by my physical characteristics, do u like to be called 'slant eye' ? ...

local - slant eye ? u r so rude ! angmo is nothing offensive, it means red hair, said with affection sometimes ...

western expat - stop calling me that ! stop highlighting race, oh u (chinese) are so racist ...

local - u r the ones who are racist and act superior, go to changi airport and take the first plane out ...

western expat - u have no right to tell me to leave ...

... and so on and so forth until board admin comes in to blow the whistle ...

sometimes its good to know what other races think of us local chinese ...

 

[Jah_rastafar_I]

i learnt that ppl of other races find local chinese to be arrogant, insensitive, tactless, curt, brusque, & inconsiderate ... even PRC find this of local chinese ...

indians are smart enuff to put on a front & act as if nothing is wrong, malays on the other hand are - hypersensitive & easily offended & self-righteous - so try to fight back, leading to deteriorating relationship betw them & chinese in recent years .) - its ok, harmless, angmo means 'red hair'

[actually angmo means 'red devil' as in manchester united, but alot of locals don't know this either]

western expat - still i don't
.....

Ok belle since when did you become chinese? Remember how you always hated chinese in the old forum? You have jews too but that's another story.
The pt is chinese are not as racist as red devils. Ang moh is ok cos there's no ill intent behind it but slant eyes do. That's the difference

 

[SGMalay]

Hi all,

First, I would like to address Hossay - Forummer commented about "Malay employee" in his company and supervision.

He mentioned, how he treated the malay employee with sincere and took extra effort to "educate" how to manage his personal life even to the extend he brought some grocery for his family in his own expensed. (I'm sorry, seriously, I do have doubt.)

In the end, Hossay gave up and lost trust with (any) malay to work for him.

Here I would like to counter his "challenge" being a great nice chinese employer towards the malay employee but not any longer.

As we have noticed, it has been always the chinese race commit crime in criminal breach of trust "CBT", even appeared in the straits times paper.

What I do not understand is, why do chinese employer continue to employ chinese but not letting other race to prove their worthy.

The most sensitive position such as Accountant or Financial Controller, Purchasing, Warehousing are the easy prey for fraudalent activity.

If we to compare more seriousness issue, which should be the case in the employment mistrust?

Unfortunately, more often chinese race still get the job without taking serious consideration, as long as the applicant is chinese.

To comment for the case of malay employee who has a working attitude problem is nothing more serious than Criminal Breach Of Trust committed often by capable chinese person.

Correct me if I'm wrong in some way.

Thank you.

 

[Jah_rastafar_I]

Hi all,

First, I would like to address Hossay - Forummer commented about "Malay employee" in his company and supervision.

He mentioned, how he treated the malay employee with sincere and took extra effort to "educate" how to manage his personal life even to the extend he brought some grocery for his family in his own expensed. (I'm sorry, seriously, I do have doubt.)

In the end, Hossay gave up and lost trust with (any) malay to work for him.

Here I would like to counter his "challenge" being a great nice chinese employer towards the malay employee but not any longer.

As we have noticed, it has been always the chinese race commit crime in criminal breach of trust "CBT", even appeared in the straits times paper.

What I do not understand is, why do chinese employer continue to employ chinese but not letting other race to prove their worthy?

The most sensitive position such as Accountant or Financial Controller, Purchasing, Warehousing are the easy prey for fraudalent activity?

If we to compare more seriousness issue, which should be the case in the employment mistrust?

Unfortunately, more often chinese race still get the job without taking serious consideration, as long as the applicant is chinese.

To comment for the case of malay employee who has a working attitude problem is nothing more serious than Criminal Breach Of Trust committed often by capable chinese person.

Correct me if I'm wrong in some way.

Thank you.

Your arguments don't make sense here. Firstly it's out of topic with what hossey had written. Btw what makes you so sure that it's only chinese that commits criminal breach of trust?


Are u sure that there are no malays in Accountanting or Financial Controller, Purchasing, Warehousing? You are making racist remarks yourself. Here you are insinuating that malays are more honest than chinese. Are you not?


Btw why did you change the topic? Why did you not address Hossey? You told me that you were willing to work out the differences. This is my point that i have been stating all along. Whenever you people do something wrong you just try and push it under the carpet or u ignore it or you blame it on chinese people. This is a perfect example. You see how many bad incidents of malays at work not only by Hossey but by a few others. You choose to ignore it and then focus on something else.

You decide hey let me use this from another racial slant. Yeah i always see or perhaps only selectively remember chinese ppl committing criminal breach of trust ignoring the fact that there are more chinese in SG of course logically speaking there would probably be more incidents of chinese comitting such crimes. Now u totally ignore all the bad experiences ppl like Hossey have written and made a stereotype about chinese that they are dishonest.

You go and re read other posts on the racial issue made by chinese people. They are very fair. They will say hey chinese people are selfish, obviously showing that chinese ppl are willing to look at their flaws and try and improve them.

Re-read Hossey's post again. Even with all the bad experiences he had with malays he does not insinuate that malays are like those malay employees, he writes that in SG everyone has to work hard to prove themselves. He has done his part to help his employees, not practice racial discrmination but his employees whom are malays have not been of help at all.

Do some self reflection on what i have written and what your mentality is.

 

[SGMalay]

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I have re-read most of your posting, your honesty is questionable.

I commented accordingly to what "Hossay" has posted.
By citing another example, it does not mean to create diversion.

It is about trust from one race to many.

If you dislike, you can choose to turn-off this thread or any other means, while I have to put a aside for others to debate or take side with you.

Thank you for your interest.

 

[Jah_rastafar_I]

I have re-read most of your posting, your honesty is questionable.

I commented accordingly to what "Hossay" has posted.
By citing another example, it does not mean to create diversion.

It is about trust from one race to many.

If you dislike, you can choose to turn-off this thread or any other means, while I have to put a aside for others to debate or take side with you.

Thank you for your interest.

Pray tell how have u commented to Hossey's postings? You did not even give an opinion on his own personal experiences.

In this case there's no room for any discussion at all. Take note you have not given any personal experiences but have chosen to select it from newspaper reports and made your own assumptions about chinese people.


I see this will not bode well. Accusations will fly again.

 

[SamuelStalin]

Chinese should treat Koreans as dogs with no emotion or remorse whatsoever. Those low-value inferior peoples of an inferior race just like the Japanese. Even the Japs despite being subhuman, possess a bit more of a civilization than these gook fucks.

 

[SGMalay]

Pray tell how have u commented to Hossey's postings? You did not even give an opinion on his own personal experiences.

In this case there's no room for any discussion at all. Take note you have not given any personal experiences but have chosen to select it from newspaper reports and made your own assumptions about chinese people.


I see this will not bode well. Accusations will fly again.

To clear your doubt, like many malay, I was in the Police force for 2 1/2 years and until today I am still serving for reservist duty, and this is how I know cases like Criminal Breach of trust are commonly committed by the capable mostly singaporean chinese but there are small numbers committed by malaysian chinese.

Straits times is another media release for public to know that government take seriously for offenders like this.

Count yourself lucky chinese still clean from criminal record.

Do stay away and be good citizen.