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Property market still haywwiring.....

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prices still high...hot money still flowing....fTs still coming with their loads of cash to flush the market....


didnt the fucking pap government know that when you dont impose restrictions or enforce your money laundering laws, you cannot stem the haemorrhage?? maybe they just dont give a flying fuck....multiple rounds of cooling measures andnyet the smplest solutions are being ignored.....


FOREIGNERS CAN ONLY SELL TO SINGAPOREAN INDIVIDUALS,,

CAPITAL GAINS TAX FOR FOREIGNERS WHO SELL

NO MORE HDBS FOR PRs
 
only foreigners buying and playing in this fuckeroo market....

Thanks PAP for pushing all of us pink ics who work heard and sweat for our money..... out of this property market....fuck you!!
 
only foreigners buying and playing in this fuckeroo market....

Thanks PAP for pushing all of us pink ics who work heard and sweat for our money..... out of this property market....fuck you!!

Dont forget all the dumbfucks paying 1000psf for sub-urban condos...
 
is it very stressful to be a property agent? the other day i just saw my neighbour who is managing a real estate company smiling to himself and smoking at the same time.:eek:
 
is it very stressful to be a property agent? the other day i just saw my neighbour who is managing a real estate company smiling to himself and smoking at the same time.:eek:


Property agent, their life is the same as Used Car Dealer. Anytime can get Obliterated, reduced to dust and ashes, nobody even remember you existed. Government want you to boom, you will boom. Government want you dead, you are reduced to dust and ashes. A totally helpless and powerless existence.
 
is it very stressful to be a property agent?

most of the freehold properties around D15 priced over 1500psf :eek::eek::eek:
those small sized condos, most of them 800+ sqft, over a million bucks, property agents mana bo ho tarn?
 
most of the freehold properties around D15 priced over 1500psf :eek::eek::eek:
those small sized condos, most of them 800+ sqft, over a million bucks, property agents mana bo ho tarn?

Save enough then switch line to insurance agent aka now called financial planners/consulants, life planners or estate planners. Also, gahment want u to live live, want u to die die.
 
i know in the market out there, there are a specific group of agents who serve the needs of the superstars like jet li or jackie chan. so if you want a slice of the pie from sale of D10 or D15, you probably need to rub all your way from shoulders to i think your private parts...tsk...

Property agent, their life is the same as Used Car Dealer. Anytime can get Obliterated, reduced to dust and ashes, nobody even remember you existed. Government want you to boom, you will boom. Government want you dead, you are reduced to dust and ashes. A totally helpless and powerless existence.

Save enough then switch line to insurance agent aka now called financial planners/consulants, life planners or estate planners. Also, gahment want u to live live, want u to die die.

most of the freehold properties around D15 priced over 1500psf :eek::eek::eek:
those small sized condos, most of them 800+ sqft, over a million bucks, property agents mana bo ho tarn?
 
Property agent, their life is the same as Used Car Dealer. Anytime can get Obliterated, reduced to dust and ashes, nobody even remember you existed. Government want you to boom, you will boom. Government want you dead, you are reduced to dust and ashes. A totally helpless and powerless existence.

Well isn't it the same for most ppl living in singapore?

Example they want to bring in more fts to replace the PMETS those ppl holding those salaried jobs all get fired or pay get reduced. If you own a business they can increase the rental and you're going to die too. They bring in their own govt own comgolmerates or big companies like ntuc and small shop owners get killed. Unless you're connected to the miw don't most sinkies live some type of helpless and powerless existence?
 
is it very stressful to be a property agent? the other day i just saw my neighbour who is managing a real estate company smiling to himself and smoking at the same time.:eek:

If he's managing the company it means he's the owner or one of the directors? Actually the ones higher up are called directors themselves but if he's managing the company he should be pretty rich. He probably doesn't even need to do the work of securing the homes cos that is the work of the agents who need to pay his company i think 30% of their commission or something like that.
 
ya, just like insurance scheme...the higher up there cho bo lan...

If he's managing the company it means he's the owner or one of the directors? Actually the ones higher up are called directors themselves but if he's managing the company he should be pretty rich. He probably doesn't even need to do the work of securing the homes cos that is the work of the agents who need to pay his company i think 30% of their commission or something like that.
 
Local Sillyporeans will have to thank your good ex-MP MBT who until today still think that housing is affordable for those who wish to get married and get their own HDB flat follow by having kids.

Now it seems that young couples can't even have enough $$$ to own a house.
Furthermore with the price keep shooting up and wages kept low, how to get married in the first place?
That's the fundamental problem that causes our local population to drop drastically.
 
they don't know how serious the problem is...? just ask any schooling youth in tertiary, their dream is to settle down overseas like thailand, quoting unaffordable property prices as the main factor...
 
they don't know how serious the problem is...? just ask any schooling youth in tertiary, their dream is to settle down overseas like thailand, quoting unaffordable property prices as the main factor...



serious? Thailand? Not even a western country?
 
i know in the market out there, there are a specific group of agents who serve the needs of the superstars like jet li or jackie chan. so if you want a slice of the pie from sale of D10 or D15, you probably need to rub all your way from shoulders to i think your private parts...tsk...

moneylaundering is the best business bro!! and money laundering though real estate purchases direct from developers are the best conduit into sinkapore!!!

through all the brother developers of the PAPzis!!! Nobody will ask any question....it conflicts against their own interests understand?

if you are a developer trying to sell your 2000 psf condos..... and some fuckeroo myanmar or colombian "angmoh" or loud lowclass chinaman wants to buy 20 at one time....you wanna ask him wtf he got his money from blah blah blah and make it look like you gotta find out where every cent came from????

lanchiau understand.....these PAP crony developers will be falling over themselves to act blur that the money laundering rules actually apply to them understand???? everybody makes money ...so wtf really cares if we are all getting richer....and it serves the pap purposes!!!
 
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i know in the market out there, there are a specific group of agents who serve the needs of the superstars like jet li or jackie chan

thought these group of people go for Sentosa Cove lah, the Sail lah... do they go for mini-condo projects?
 
From Mr Mah to Mr Khaw, HDB policies & Pricing does a U-Turn [Finally?]

HDB policies have come a long way from the days when Mah Bow Tan was the Minister of National Development to now with the current Minister being Khaw Boon Wan.

Back in the days when Mr Mah was the Minister of National Development, he thought that HDB prices were very affordable to the public.

In Nov 2010 about 2.5 years ago, in an article published on TODAY [Link], Mr Mah said, “Ask most housing experts and observers, and they will say that HDB flats remain within reach of the majority of Singaporeans. After all, HDB builds and sells flats at heavily-subsidised prices to ensure affordability.”

However, he questioned why the people kept thinking HDB flats were not affordable.

He said, “With their (homeowners’) CPF contributions, few have to pay any cash for their mortgage payments. In total, more than 80 per cent of Singaporeans live in 900,000 HDB flats today. Yet, people still worry that HDB flats are not affordable. Why are there such sentiments?”

He explained how HDB ensured that the prices were affordable, “To ensure that first-time buyers have access to affordable housing, we do several things. First, HDB prices its new flats below market value, taking into account the income of homebuyers. Hence, first-timers enjoy a substantial subsidy when they buy new flats from HDB.”

He then talked about the different measures of housing affordability, “One is the housing price-to-income ratio (or HPI), which compares median house price to annual household income.”

“In a Straits Times article in February 2010, two NUS professors, Tu Yong and Yu Shi Ming, noted that Singapore’s HPI for resale flats in non-mature estates is 5.8, compared to Hong Kong’s 19.8 and London’s 7.1. That means Singaporeans generally need 5.8 times of their annual household income to buy a resale flat in non-mature estates, whereas a Hong Kong resident needs more than three times that amount.”

He added, “While the HPI is relatively easy to understand, it does not consider factors like loan availability and financing costs, which are important for many deciding to buy a flat. Therefore, another widely-accepted measure is the debt-service-ratio (DSR), which looks at the proportion of the monthly income used to pay mortgages.”

“The DSR for new HDB flats in non-mature estates, based on an industry norm of a 30-year loan, averaged 23 per cent this year. This is well within the 30-35 per cent international benchmark for affordable expenditure on housing.”

Mr Mah’s remarks invited rebuttals from Ms Hazel Poa, the current Secretary-General of NSP. She rebutted Mr Mah’s assertions on her blog [Link] in Nov 2010, shortly after Mr Mah’s article appeared on TODAY.

Ms Poa said, “From 1990 to 2009, median household income increased from $2,296 to $4,850 – an increase of 111%. Over the same period, resale flat prices increased by 342%. The affordability (i.e, via HPI measure) of HDB flats has certainly deteriorated very significantly over the past 19 years. It now takes a median income household more than double the time to pay for the flat.”

“Next, we consider the suitability of the debt-service-ratio (DSR) as a measure of affordability for national planning purposes. There are several shortcomings, the most serious being a pre-qualified sample – the DSR is calculated based on existing home owners. These are people who can afford to buy the flat. Those who cannot afford to buy a HDB flat would not have bought one and hence would not be captured by the DSR. The loan application process would also have weeded out those whose DSR would exceed the ‘30-35 per cent international benchmark for affordable expenditure on housing’.”

She concluded, “Under such circumstances, it would be quite difficult for an examination of the DSR to turn out with an ‘unaffordable’ rating, no matter what the price level. For example, if good-class bungalow owners use only 15% of their income to service their mortgages, can we conclude that good-class bungalows are very affordable (to the public)? The DSR is a reasonable measure to assess if a particular person/family can afford to buy a particular property, but to use that as a gauge of affordability for the general population leaves much to be desired.”

In the TODAY article, Mr Mah also talked about balancing homebuyers’ against taxpayers’ interests. He said, “HDB also regularly reviews its subsidies to ensure affordability. But I must caution that there are limits to how much we can increase subsidies, without compromising other interests.”

“In other words, we must also consider affordability from a national standpoint. If we increase housing subsidies, what would we have to give up? The quality of education for our children? Healthcare services for our parents? Or do we impose a higher tax burden on Singaporeans?”

Ms Poa then countered to offer some other options for Mr Mah’s consideration in her blog, “(1) cut defence budget; (2) reduce the payments made by HDB to SLA for the purchase of land to build HDB flats – to the best of our knowledge, these payments go eventually into the reserves which is not used to fund any public sector services or projects; and (3) cut ministerial salaries.”

Barely 6 months later, in May 2011 after Mr Mah wrote the TODAY article on the affordability of HDB flats, he was out of the Cabinet. In the May GE in 2011, he and his team garnered only 57.2% of the votes in Tampines GRC, a big drop from the results of 2006 GE.

Mr Mah said he accepted responsibility for the unhappiness over the sharp rises in housing prices, “Housing is always a very sensitive subject. And I guess to the extent that in the last couple of years, housing prices went up very sharply, coinciding with the very dramatic turnaround in the economy, I guess that resulted in quite a lot of unhappiness on the ground. And I accept responsibility for that.”

When asked if his decision was motivated by the polls outcome, he said it was one of the factors. “It indicated … that we needed fresh minds, fresh thinking, fresh ideas,” he said. “When the results came out, it was probably a clear signal that I should do so sooner rather than later into the term.”

In other words, in 6 months, this man changed his views dramatically from “people still worry that HDB flats are not affordable – why are there such sentiments?” to “I guess to the extent that in the last couple of years, housing prices went up very sharply”. It took considerable “unhappiness on the ground” to turn Mr Mah around in his thinking, it seemed.

HDB housing policy in 2013

The Minister who took over from Mr Mah now sings a different song. Mr Khaw now talks about making new HDB flats even cheaper for the public.

In Mar this year during a Parliamentary debate [Link], Mr Khaw said more will be done to reduce BTO flat prices relative to incomes, and to reduce the financial burden of housing on the young.

He said, “We have stopped BTO prices from rising by delinking them from resale prices. We can now pause and see what else we can do to bring BTO prices in non-mature estates to, say, around 4 years of (annual) salary as it was before the current property cycle started.”

“One thing is clear. We are committed to restoring and maintaining the affordability of new HDB flats to the vast majority of first-timer Singaporean households. Their Singapore Dream of owning their own flats, like their parents’, is safe. We will make sure of that.”

Notice Mr Khaw used the term to “restore” the affordability of New HDB flats. Also, notice that the Govt doesn’t talk about using the DSR as a measure of housing affordability any more. Interestingly, Mr Khaw also avoids talking about resale flat prices and prefers to focus on new BTO HDB flats these days.

And in the recent interview with ST [Link], DPM Tharman also said, “Over the longer term, I do think that we will be better off with housing prices being a smaller multiple of incomes for the average person especially.”

“For the low income group, we’ve got very substantial grants and subsidies. But for the average family, average young family, including those who are in the upper middle income group, and those who go for private condos included, we’ll be better off as a society and as an economy in having a more steady growth of property prices and the multiple of property prices to incomes being somewhat lower.”

“It’s important for us to keep prices in check so that younger families feel that housing is affordable and don’t have to put so much of their disposable income into servicing their loans. I think that’s the right long-term objective.”

Let’s take an example by looking at BTO flats launched last year, Choa Chu Kang’s Keat Hong Axis

Applicants’ median household income for 4-room: $4,000
4-room BTO at Keat Hong Axis after grants: $250,000
HPI = 5.2

If Mr Khaw had his way to offer BTO flats at HPI of 4 (i.e, 4 times of annual income), then a 4-rm flat price with applicants’ median household income of $4,000 would work out to be $192,000.

Comparing with the price of current ones at $250,000, can we expect a further drop of at least 23% in prices of BTO flats in future?

In summary, looking at how HDB policies evolve from Mah’s time to present time, the moral of the story is, your votes do count
 
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