Serious Prof Dennis Etler: Why is the West attacking China?

[superpower]

Professor Dennis Etler

American political analyst with a PhD in Anthropology from the University of California, Berkeley

My point of view:

Why is the West so concerned about China? The usual answer is that China's economic growth is challenging the global hegemony that the West has dominated for at least 250 years. The Chinese military has also reached a level comparable to that of the West, and is therefore no longer intimidated and bullied by the West. All of these are facts and reasons why the West wants to attack China and portray it as the source of all evil.

But there is another factor that must be considered. What scares the West is not just China's economic and military might, but China's success as a country versus the West's failures.

In addition, China has established a society of ethnic harmony, in sharp contrast to the systemic racism of Western society.

Western ruling elites and their media mouthpieces are unwilling to admit that China has eradicated extreme poverty while their own people are increasingly trapped in poverty. They are unwilling to admit that China has built 21st century infrastructure while they are lagging far behind. They are unwilling to face the fact that the Chinese people overwhelmingly support their government, while Western people have lost confidence in their governments; they are unwilling to accept that China has defeated the COVID-19 epidemic, but they have not; and finally, they do not Be willing to accept the fact that a non-white country is doing better than them and will continue to do so for the foreseeable future.

To divert attention from these facts, the West has concocted a series of lies and slanders that allow them to deny reality. The West slanders poverty alleviation as "genocide". Instead of acknowledging advances in high-speed rail, electric vehicles, alternative energy and e-commerce, they accuse China of "intellectual property theft" and instead of focusing on social and economic systems that serve the people, accuse China of forced labor and forced sterilization. They do not see China as defending its national sovereignty in the South China Sea, Hong Kong and Taiwan, but call it an aggressor.

All attacks on China serve multiple purposes, but one of the main ones is to ensure that Westerners don't hear or see the real China, because if they do, they might get what Western elites don't want them to have Ideas such as socialism is for the benefit of the 99% of the population, while capitalism is primarily for the enrichment of the 1%.

 

[Devil Within]

Another leftist communist retard hiding in University teaching how great is CCP China bullshit without taking into account of how they cheat and steal others.

 

[superpower]

Another leftist communist retard hiding in University teaching how great is CCP China bullshit without taking into account of how they cheat and steal others.

There are crooks in every country, even in the West. The 2008 financial crisis and Madoff (world's largest Ponzi scheme) come to mind.

And India has more crooks per capita than China. Why isn't the West attacking India?

 

[Devil Within]

There are crooks in every country, even in the West. The 2008 financial crisis and Madoff (world's largest Ponzi scheme) come to mind.

And India has more crooks per capita than China. Why isn't the West attacking India?

India never brainwash their citizens to hate the West. CCP China did. Also, CCP China think that Communist dictatorship is the best form of gov, just like Islamic cult think Sharia laws is above all gov laws.

 

[superpower]

India never brainwash their citizens to hate the West. CCP China did. Also, CCP China think that Communist dictatorship is the best form of gov, just like Islamic cult think Sharia laws is above all gov laws.

India sucks up to the West. This makes them the good guys?

CCP thinks that communism is best for China, not for the world. CCP does try to brainwash their citizens, but they don't brainwash other countries' citizens. And for all their domestic brainwashing, the majority of Chinese are too smart to fall for it. They just want peace, stability to get on with their lives and make money. They surf FB, YT, Instagram using VPN and know what's going in the rest of the world.

Unlike Islam, China doesn't go round committing terrorist acts in other countries to foist communism. No single nation has been converted to communism by China, while the US has been instigating coups, starting wars, deposing leaders all over the world in the name of 'democracy'. Just look at the mess in the Middle East and South America today. So who is really the bad guy?

Actually, the way I see it, China's msg to the West is: we have our communism, you have your democracy. Leave us alone, and we'll leave you alone.

 

[Devil Within]

India sucks up to the West. This makes them the good guys?

CCP thinks that communism is best for China, not for the world. CCP does try to brainwash their citizens, but they don't brainwash other countries' citizens. And for all their domestic brainwashing, the majority of Chinese are too smart to fall for it. They just want peace, stability to get on with their lives and make money. They surf FB, YT, Instagram using VPN and know what's going in the rest of the world.

Unlike Islam, China doesn't go round committing terrorist acts in other countries to foist communism. No single nation has been converted to communism by China, while the US has been instigating coups, starting wars, deposing leaders all over the world in the name of 'democracy'. Just look at the mess in the Middle East and South America today. So who is really the bad guy?

Actually, the way I see it, China's msg to the West is: we have our communism, you have your democracy. Leave us alone, and we'll leave you alone.

Nope, India didn't suck up to the west, in fact India suck up to USSR. That's why their fighter jets were from Russia.

Also, CCP did try to convert Asia to Communist. They spread from CCP China, to vietnam, cambodia and Malaysia, including Singapore. Know your history, kid.
Under emperor Xi, he is turning back to Mao's communist rule and ditching Deng's open economic drive as he don't want to lose control of financial and information industry. Xi want to world to follow his Mao's communist as the great example for the world to follow.

In fact, without the west helping CCP China, China would still be in the state of poverty like North korea and Cuba. CCP China has betray the West and took advantage of their generosity. It's time to kick communist crooks out.

 

[syed putra]

Another leftist communist retard hiding in University teaching how great is CCP China bullshit without taking into account of how they cheat and steal others.

The punishment for what you have just said is death by shooting.

 

[syed putra]

The US has fought and won all battles with superpowers. But lost when it comes to BRICS countries.

 

[superpower]

Also, CCP did try to convert Asia to Communist. They spread from CCP China, to vietnam, cambodia and Malaysia, including Singapore. Know your history, kid.
Under emperor Xi, he is turning back to Mao's communist rule and ditching Deng's open economic drive as he don't want to lose control of financial and information industry. Xi want to world to follow his Mao's communist as the great example for the world to follow.

You're showing your ignorance here. Go read up on your history.

Vietnamese communism started with Ho Chi Minh who adopted Marxist-Leninist philosophy and whose Youth League was financially supported by Russia, not China, to overthrow French colonialists (the CCP was a babe in the woods then)

The Khmer Rouge was founded with the help of Ho Chi Minh's Viet Minh, then later financially supported by both the CCP and Vietcong, but was eventually demolished, ironically, by the Vietcong.

As for the Malayan Communist Party, it met its demise 60 years ago with Operation Coldstore.

The Berlin Wall fell in 1989, capitalism won and communism lost. Russia turned into an oligarchy, and China's communism morphed into a authoritarian capitalist state. So who's advocating communism today (scratch head)?

So which country today, that is communist, was converted by China? Zilch, nada. I rest my case.

In fact, without the west helping CCP China, China would still be in the state of poverty like North korea and Cuba. CCP China has betray the West and took advantage of their generosity. It's time to kick communist crooks out.

The whole world knows that China arrived where it is today because of 3 factors:

1. Deng's reformative policies
2. The people's ingenuity and hard work
3. Western markets and technology.

But now that China has grown stronger and richer to almost depose the US as #1, suddenly all the guns and missiles are pointing at China. So it's ok for you to benefit from cheap labour and the world's factory but when this factory grew too big you have to hammer it down? You're only the good guy if you continue to kowtow to me and call me Master. Who's betraying whom?

 

[Devil Within]

The US has fought and won all battles with superpowers. But lost when it comes to BRICS countries.

We are lucky that US is the superpower and not CCP nor Russia or North Korea.

If US were to behave like the imperial Japan, CCP China, USSR or North Korea, they could easily wipe out Veitcons, North Korea, and CCP China. However, they were restrain by their believe in common decency and human rights. Imperial Japan, CCP China, USSR and North Korea murdered millions of their own people without feeling remorse.

 

[superpower]

If US were to behave like the imperial Japan, CCP China, USSR or North Korea, they could easily wipe out Veitcons, North Korea, and CCP China. However, they were restrain by their believe in common decency and human rights. Imperial Japan, CCP China, USSR and North Korea murdered millions of their own people without feeling remorse.

Don't be naive. The US has started and/or instigated more wars in the past century than all the wars on earth combined in the previous 1,000 years.

I'm not sure if Russia could better that if communism had won, but they sure are capable of it.

As for China, Middle Kingdom mentality will ensure that it will forever gaze at its own navel, use power to guard its borders and secure its resources, but never to export its own ideology. Colonialism was never China's cup of tea... vassalage yes, but not conquest and dominion (unlike the Monggols and Turks).

 

[Devil Within]

You're showing your ignorance here. Go read up on your history.

Vietnamese communism started with Ho Chi Minh who adopted Marxist-Leninist philosophy and whose Youth League was financially supported by Russia, not China, to overthrow French colonialists (the CCP was a babe in the woods then)

The Khmer Rouge was founded with the help of Ho Chi Minh's Viet Minh, then later financially supported by both the CCP and Vietcong, but was eventually demolished, ironically, by the Vietcong.

As for the Malayan Communist Party, it met its demise 60 years ago with Operation Coldstore.

The Berlin Wall fell in 1989, capitalism won and communism lost. Russia turned into an oligarchy, and China's communism morphed into a authoritarian capitalist state. So who's advocating communism today (scratch head)?

So which country today, that is communist, was converted by China? Zilch, nada. I rest my case.


The whole world knows that China arrived where it is today because of 3 factors:

1. Deng's reformative policies
2. The people's ingenuity and hard work
3. Western markets and technology.

But now that China has grown stronger and richer to almost depose the US as #1, suddenly all the guns and missiles are pointing at China. So it's ok for you to benefit from cheap labour and the world's factory but when this factory grew too big you have to hammer it down? Who's betraying whom?

CCP China supported Vietcons as well. Your history is fucked. Malaysia communist got backing from CCP China.
Without West allowing CCP into their trade organisation, CCP China will be like Iran, North Korea and Cuba.
CCP China have so many spies and commies to brainwash idiots like you thru their "confucius Institute" and whatnot.

 

[superpower]

CCP China supported Vietcons as well. Your history is fucked. Malaysia communist got backing from CCP China.
Without West allowing CCP into their trade organisation, CCP China will be like Iran, North Korea and Cuba.
CCP China have so many spies and commies to brainwash idiots like you thru their "confucius Institute" and whatnot.

Go check your facts again before your show yourself up to be the village idiot.

The founding of Ho Chi Minh's communist party and Viet communism in the 1920s was funded and supported by Russia, not China. The Chinese did supply weapons during the Vietnam War in the 60s but most of the money and weapons came from the Soviet Union (China at the time ravaged by the Great Leap Forward and Cultural Revolution).

MCP got backing from China - you're right on this - but it fizzled out 60 years ago.

So same question again: where is the communist threat from China today? Or is the West just using the defunct communist bogeyman to deny the rise of the first non-white superpower in modern history?

 

[glockman]

Why China’s Global Image Is Getting Worse​

By Joshua Kurlantzick, CFR Expert

January 24, 2022 2:05 pm (EST)

The upcoming Winter Olympics in Beijing has heightened international scrutiny of the Chinese government’s rights abuses. But even before the games, China’s global public image had taken an enormous beating.

China’s public image “remains broadly negative” in many countries, according to a study by Pew Research Center. In Australia, a place where the public held a positive image of China in the late 2010s, only about 20 percent of people have a positive image of it today. In Japan, just 10 percent of people have a favorable image of China. In addition, prominent opinion leaders in many nations are now implementing diplomatic boycotts of the Winter Olympics, and even some of Beijing’s most ardent past supporters, such as trade organizations, have increasingly expressed dissatisfaction and anger with China.

This decline in Beijing’s image has consequences for its influence abroad, but Chinese officials seem reluctant to do anything to fix it.

Why has the Chinese government’s public image worsened?​

Beijing’s global public image has deteriorated for several reasons. In some countries, there remains a reservoir of mistrust of Beijing over its cover-up of the initial COVID-19 outbreak. Also, some of China’s Belt and Road Initiative (BRI) projects have generated negative press, as countries amassed higher-than-expected debt. Beijing’s rising authoritarianism at home, particularly its strangling of Hong Kong’s freedoms and its crackdown in Xinjiang, has soured many foreign publics.

Activists in Manila, Philippines, protest against China’s actions in the South China Sea in 2019. Ted Aljibe/AFP/Getty Images

In recent years, China has adopted an increasingly coercive, belligerent style of diplomacy, called wolf warrior diplomacy, that has alienated countries in its neighborhood and as far away as Lithuania, which Beijing bullied for allowing Taiwan to open a representative office in its capital city of Vilnius. But rather than seeing results in its favor, Beijing’s increasingly aggressive approach has backfired in many countries. In the case of Lithuania, the country refused to stand down and European countries rallied behind it.

Where has Beijing’s image declined?​

China’s public image remains poorest in developed democracies in Asia, such as Japan and South Korea, North America, and Western Europe. Not only have publics in these countries developed intensely negative views of China, but many of their governments are shutting down important Chinese soft power initiatives, such as Confucius Institutes, which offer Chinese language and culture programs at colleges and universities around the world.

Its image has taken less of a hit in other parts of Asia and in Africa. Some Asian countries with close historic ties to China, such as Singapore, Thailand, and Pakistan, have responded more favorably to Chinese public diplomacy, and they’ve typically not faced the more coercive diplomacy. In some African countries, Beijing has funded needed infrastructure projects and hired local workers, winning goodwill that it hasn’t totally squandered.

How damaging has this been?

China’s declining image has caused geostrategic and economic pain. An investment agreement with the European Union has been put on hold, and many European countries that originally welcomed BRI projects have soured on them. The BRI is stalling in places beyond Europe as well, partly because of China’s wolf warrior diplomacy and fears that the BRI is linked to corruption and debt. The U.S.-China relationship is now at its lowest point in decades, endangering trade ties and heightening the risk of major-power conflict.

How is Beijing attempting to improve its image?

In a speech last year, Chinese leader Xi Jinping appeared to call for reining in wolf warrior diplomacy and promoting Beijing as a reliable and relatable partner. The country’s massive soft power campaign over the past decade has also included an expansion of its global state media outlets. But China’s state media has gotten only minimal market share in most countries.

During the pandemic, China has become a major international donor of vaccines, though it hasn’t donated as many as the United States. Yet, countries such as Malaysia are rejecting Chinese vaccines that do not appear as effective as others.

Meanwhile, some Chinese opinion leaders—perhaps even Xi, who continues to promote wolf warrior diplomats, including in posts in the United States—believe that China should not change its increasingly aggressive stance, even if it results in a negative image abroad. They argue that China, as a rising and assertive power, will always be resented by leading democracies that try to curtail it. This aggression also seems to please much of the Chinese public, which has become more and more nationalistic. Indeed, China has continued its coercive tactics not only with Lithuania but also with Australia and many others.

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How should the United States respond?​

Washington could let Beijing continue digging its hole and, meanwhile, rebuild U.S. ties with democratic partners. China’s coercive measures could ultimately alienate even more countries and benefit the United States.

However, the United States should remain vigilant about Chinese efforts that cross the line from soft power into so-called sharp power—efforts to covertly and often coercively influence public discourse. These could include directly wooing foreign politicians via backdoor channels and with bribes, using disinformation tactics online to promote Chinese government ideas, or having pro-China businesspeople buy up local press outlets and quietly alter their coverage to be more favorable toward Beijing.

https://www.cfr.org/in-brief/why-chinas-global-image-getting-worse

 

[glockman]

We have lots of daft sinkies comprising plenty of new citizens from the PRC.

 

[Devil Within]

Go check your facts again before your show yourself up to be the village idiot.

The founding of Ho Chi Minh's communist party and Viet communism in the 1920s was funded and supported by Russia, not China. The Chinese did supply weapons during the Vietnam War in the 60s but most of the money and weapons came from the Soviet Union (China at the time ravaged by the Great Leap Forward and Cultural Revolution).

MCP got backing from China - you're right on this - but it fizzled out 60 years ago.

So same question again: where is the communist threat from China today? Or is the West just using the defunct communist bogeyman to deny the rise of the first non-white superpower in modern history?

Like I've said, without CCP China supporting Vietcong, you think USSR can transport their weapons directly to Vietnam? I wonder who is the dumbfuck here. Also, CCP China provided people to Vietnam to help them fight as well. Just like how they supply human bodies to North Korea in their fight against US and South Korea.

Where is the communist threats today? Go ask Philippines about the south China sea. Also, Taiwan was never under CCP China.

 

[MaximiLian]

Professor Dennis Etler

American political analyst with a PhD in Anthropology from the University of California, Berkeley

My point of view:

Why is the West so concerned about China? The usual answer is that China's economic growth is challenging the global hegemony that the West has dominated for at least 250 years. The Chinese military has also reached a level comparable to that of the West, and is therefore no longer intimidated and bullied by the West. All of these are facts and reasons why the West wants to attack China and portray it as the source of all evil.

But there is another factor that must be considered. What scares the West is not just China's economic and military might, but China's success as a country versus the West's failures.

In addition, China has established a society of ethnic harmony, in sharp contrast to the systemic racism of Western society.

Western ruling elites and their media mouthpieces are unwilling to admit that China has eradicated extreme poverty while their own people are increasingly trapped in poverty. They are unwilling to admit that China has built 21st century infrastructure while they are lagging far behind. They are unwilling to face the fact that the Chinese people overwhelmingly support their government, while Western people have lost confidence in their governments; they are unwilling to accept that China has defeated the COVID-19 epidemic, but they have not; and finally, they do not Be willing to accept the fact that a non-white country is doing better than them and will continue to do so for the foreseeable future.

To divert attention from these facts, the West has concocted a series of lies and slanders that allow them to deny reality. The West slanders poverty alleviation as "genocide". Instead of acknowledging advances in high-speed rail, electric vehicles, alternative energy and e-commerce, they accuse China of "intellectual property theft" and instead of focusing on social and economic systems that serve the people, accuse China of forced labor and forced sterilization. They do not see China as defending its national sovereignty in the South China Sea, Hong Kong and Taiwan, but call it an aggressor.

All attacks on China serve multiple purposes, but one of the main ones is to ensure that Westerners don't hear or see the real China, because if they do, they might get what Western elites don't want them to have Ideas such as socialism is for the benefit of the 99% of the population, while capitalism is primarily for the enrichment of the 1%.

hi george

 

[Devil Within]

This is for the many commiecunt retards here supporting CCP China.


When the Kuomintang retreated to Taiwan, the Republic of China had a land area of more than 13 million square kilometers. In the hands of the Communist Party, the land area was only more than 9.6 million square kilometers. Who the hell is patriotic and who is traitorous? The United States has not occupied an inch of China's territory but you are shouting that you are anti-American every day. Russia has occupied more than 1.5 million square kilometers of China and you are shouting that you are an ally every day. How sick are you?

 

[superpower]

Like I've said, without CCP China supporting Vietcong, you think USSR can transport their weapons directly to Vietnam? I wonder who is the dumbfuck here. Also, CCP China provided people to Vietnam to help them fight as well. Just like how they supply human bodies to North Korea in their fight against US and South Korea.

We're talking about exporting communism, dumbass.

Supplying soldiers to Vietnam and North Korea was a historical fact. But that's a totally different thing from helping them found the communist state, which was the sole prerogative of Russia (later Soviet Union). Even to this day Vietnam distrusts China, but has strong ties to Russia because that's where their historical links lie.

Where is the communist threats today? Go ask Philippines about the south China sea. Also, Taiwan was never under CCP China.

You mean China is exporting communism to the Philippines? Trying to convert a Catholic democracy into an atheist Marxist state? Or simply establishing their presence in the South China Sea in their ongoing search for resources to support their economy?

Taiwan had been a part of Qing China since 1683 until Japan wrested it away. Any elementary student will tell you that (1) Taiwan was under the KMT after the civil war and mainland under CCP, and (2) Both the CCP and KMT recognised Taiwan as a province of China, to be reunited some time in the future under their respective parties.

You're letting your pro-American bias cloud your already dense mind. Please have it re-examined.

And please learn to differentiate nation/country from ruling party. You might as well say that now that the Qing are no more in power, China should revert to Yuan or even Sung borders. LOL

 

[superpower]

We have lots of daft sinkies comprising plenty of new citizens from the PRC.

Interesting. All the countries listed here are either Western countries or staunch Western allies. Their combined populations do not even come close to 1/5 of teh world's population.