Please help me out with these Straits Times HDB figures.

[Highfalutin]

The Straits Times
Friday, February 19 2010
Prime News
Page A8

Most are Happy with their HDB flats _ By Jessica Cheam

High satisfaction levels were seen across flat types, age groups, ethnicities, educational qualifications and household incomes, said the HDB, which did it's five-yearly survey via face to face interviews and online polls.

The survey showed more people living in public housing than ever before - and they are older, wealthier and better educated.

The HDB flat population increased by 2.7 per cent to 2.92 million between 2003 and 2008.

[Highfalutin___ Increase of 2.7 percent from what figure to 2.92 million? Why omit to show the figure? I did a backwards calculation and came out with
2,843,240 plus 2.7% = 2,920,007. So the actual increase in numbers is 2,920,007 - 2,843,240 = 76,767 new residents living in HDB flats in 5 years!
Less than 80,000 more residents out of the increase in population in the five years from 2003-2008. What is the increase in the population numbers? Where are the rest of the flood of immigrants, work permit and S-Pass workers staying? In condos and landed property?]

This represented about 60 per cent of Singapore's total population of 4.84 million people in 2008, according to the department of Statistics.

Out of this HDB population,
88 per cent were Singapore citizens,
08 per cent were permanent residents and
04 per cent were foreigners.

[Highfalutin___
60% of 4,840,000 = 2,904,000 HDB residents.
40% of 4,840,000 = 1,936,000 living in condo and private landed property and others.

2,904,000 HDB residents

88% Singaporean Citizens = 2,555,520 residents.
08% Permanent Residents = 0,232,320 residents.
04% Foreigners.............. = 0,116,160 residents.]

Does the above figures look right to you vis a vis the flood of foreigners we have to compete for space with?

 

[Cestbon]

Shifty Times/15xth and ministers think can easy con us by simple news. Peasant nowdays are not stupid.
For my survey.
Total citizen live in HDB are about 50%.
PR about 25% and anothers are FT(work permit/S-pass/students pass/visitor pass)
Maybe 154th and ministers never do a real survey. They shoulkd knock one by one HDB door to do survey. Many Peasant(50%) rent out the whole HDB/room so do the PR. At least 90% never declare that they rent out because need to pay levy/tax that included in income tax. So actual figure are wrong.
Don't believe me. Anyone can do a simple survey in thier own block. By just sitting in void deck and see for himself. How many PR and FT up the lift. Chances are 50% peasant and 50% FT. Some place even worst up to 70 % are FT.

 

[Conan the Barbarian]

Good work calculating all that. They probably have the figures, but downplay it as it will lead to more protest and unhappinese among the electorate.

 

[Highfalutin]

Read the Mah Bow Tan HDB figures again. It is outright lying. And George Yeo can't answer a simple IR casino question from KojakBt. If the PAP achieves another resounding victory in the next GE, I'm going to sit down and shut up for good. Singaporeans are just not worth it.

 

[myfoot123]

Read the Mah Bow Tan HDB figures again. It is outright lying. And George Yeo can't answer a simple IR casino question from KojakBt. If the PAP achieves another resounding victory in the next GE, I'm going to sit down and shut up for good. Singaporeans are just not worth it.

Let's do our best to save this country, it is the last chance and I also hope Singaporeans are not DAFT to vote for PAP again. Too many screwed up in the last couple of years especially when LHL became PM. We want all NS men, unemployed Singaporeans, fallen into the cracks souls, wealth dwindled Singaporeans, 33% and many more elightened 66% who voted for PAP by error to step forth with their eligible voters and make decisive change for the better of this country and especially for Singaporeans who build this land with our blood, money and time. Please urge every loyal fellow citizen to throw the overly paid, undeserving & Tai Chi PAP from their seats.

 

[Papsmearer]

Does the above figures look right to you vis a vis the flood of foreigners we have to compete for space with?

Highfalutin,

these numbers are essentially right, but the way the reporter has presented it, they are designed to be misleading or she is an idiot. Several things you should note.

1) This survey was done in 2008. That's 2 years ago, and is outdated. The methodology is stupid too, and a total waste of taxpayers money. basically, HDB paid their people to go to select flats and ask people these questions. Who would dare to tell their landlord that their flats suck? Also, they used online survey, again another sourced of potenially biased information. And they did this for 8000n households? Much cheaper for them to put a questionnaire in the mail, and have the tenants send it back by mail or drop off box somewhere. At least they will have more samples, and they would be truly unbiased.

2) The figure for 2.92 million residents is correct, but these are 2008 numbers and they are applicable only to Singapore residents. HDB definition of Singapore Residents are Citizens and PRs only. Non citizens, FTs, and tourists etc. are not included in this number. Jessica Cheam should have mentioned this.

3) If you assume the number of people in a singapore resident household is 4, than 2.92 million is equal to about 730,000 households. Since the HDB has about 970,000 units in 2008, than, about 240,000 households or 1 in 4 are occupied by FTs and non residents.

Hope this link helps.

http://www.hdb.gov.sg/fi10/fi10296p.nsf/PressReleases/C982024B92F84092482576CD0083862D?OpenDocument

 

[scroobal]

They have been doing this for decades. In the past opposition politicians tend to talk about abstract notions like freedom of speech, one party system etc. There was also the fear of being sued for calling a minister a liar and there was no independent authority to verify the figures. Note even Gomez despite his youth is from the old school where you talk about democracy the whole day and the Ah Soh struggling to make ends meet catch no ball.

Now days they can't use the threat of suing as there will be massive backlash from the more worldly younger votes.

Watch the SPH brothel prostitutes, they will either not seek clarification or harp on one figure that is accurate and blow it out of proportion.

GMS, Sylvia and even Alex despite his yet to mature public speaking skills have the ability to pick issues that resonate with Singaporeans.

Read the Mah Bow Tan HDB figures again. It is outright lying. And George Yeo can't answer a simple IR casino question from KojakBt. If the PAP achieves another resounding victory in the next GE, I'm going to sit down and shut up for good. Singaporeans are just not worth it.

 

[Watchman]

Take this as a guideline .

For every HDB block .

There are at least 15 - 20 FTs staying at each block at any one time .

You can choose to believe it or not . Just use your own observation .