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PAP Spin - Minimum sum is a good deal

winnipegjets

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Jonathan Kwok
The Straits Times
Tuesday, Jun 03, 2014

There was quite a reaction from my friends after the Central Provident Fund (CPF) recently raised its Minimum Sum yet again.

We may still be decades away from retirement, but there was still some irritation over the idea that part of our money will be parked in some account that we can access only after various conditions are met.

The latest change announced last month raised the Minimum Sum to $155,000 from July 1, up from $148,000. This is the amount that has to be left in our account at age 55, so it means we can withdraw less.

I was the voice of moderation, as I pointed out the rationale behind the change.

The Minimum Sum has had to go up often in recent years for two reasons, I explained: People are living longer and things are getting more expensive.

No escaping from these realities.

The Minimum Sum is used to buy an annuity, called the CPF Life, which provides monthly payouts from retirement until you die. A higher Minimum Sum means CPF Life payouts can increase to keep pace with inflation.

In fact, my concern is almost opposite from that of some of my peers who worry about money being locked away in the CPF account.

I am less angsty about not being able to use my money whenever I want to. Rather, I tell people that we should be worrying that the payouts from CPF Life will be too low for us to maintain our current lifestyles after we retire.

This system is meant to meet the needs of a lower-middle income retiree. So you will need to save and invest separately if you aspire to live a better life, taking an occasional holiday and eating at restaurants, for example.

I did some back-of-the-envelope calculations to get a quick gauge of how much a couple will need for their retirement. It turns out, you and your partner may need about $500,000 to $800,000 in stocks to provide enough dividends to supplement CPF Life payouts.

Savings and Investment Plan

First and foremost, we need to find out how much an above-average income family spends.

I took data from the Statistics Department's most recent household expenditure survey, which was released in December 2009. The top-earning 20 to 40 per cent of households spent $4,532 per month, the report said.

I'll assume that our hypothetical go-getting couple fall in this range and do not want their living standards to drop after retirement.

But these figures presumably capture households at a time when they are raising children, who would have grown up by the time the couple retire.

So I assumed expenditure could be cut by one-quarter to $3,399.

How much of this can be covered by CPF Life?

A Singaporean man who turns 55 this year and has the CPF Minimum Sum of $155,000 will get a monthly payout ranging between $1,200 and $1,350 if he opts for the standard plan, said the CPF Life Payout estimator.

A woman's monthly payout will roughly vary from $1,100 to $1,250 as she is expected to live longer. The payouts will start when they turn 65. Taking the lower sums, a husband-and-wife team will get only $2,300 per month from CPF Life, leaving them with a $1,099 deficit from their $3,399 expenditure. That works out to a shortfall of $13,188 per year.

If our hypothetical couple fail to make up the shortfall, they will need to cancel their hotel high teas and forget about travelling further than Johor Baru.

But surely our couple deserve better after slogging for decades in the rat race?

Fear not, a solution is present if they start saving and investing early in life.

I centred my calculations on using shares to meet retirement needs, though you can probably achieve the goal via an investment property. Assuming a dividend yield of 4 per cent, a $329,700 portfolio of stocks will be able to generate dividends of $13,188 per year. This amount will be able to meet our couple's shortfall.

Inflation with no drawdown

This simple calculation discounts inflation, however. As time goes by, things will surely get more expensive and you will need more money to maintain your lifestyle.

A 3 per cent inflation rate over 30 years will lead to annual combined expenditures eventually ballooning to $99,003 for our couple. If CPF Life payouts go up in line with inflation, this would eventually come to $66,992 per year for our couple.

But the shortfall for the couple's desired lifestyle would also have widened, and they would need a combined portfolio of a whopping $800,269 to generate enough dividends for that.

Inflation with drawdown


The previous scenario assumed that the couple would use only dividends from their shares and leave the entire capital to their beneficiaries after they die.

But one way to reduce the required amount is if they are willing to draw down on their stock capital after retirement. So their yearly payouts will consist of both dividends and a drawdown on capital.

After 25 years of retirement, they will have zero shares left but they would have needed a smaller amount to start their retirement with - $520,082.

The lesson from all these calculations is that it makes good financial sense to start preparing for retirement early. Without top-ups from your own investments, CPF Life will be able to provide only a basic lifestyle.
 

winnipegjets

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If the CPF money was invested in the S&P for 30 years, a $10k annual contribution over the period would lead to $1.3 million at withdrawal time whereas the current return would only lead to $450k.

With the former, there is NO need for minimum sum requirement. In fact, if given the choice to keep some or all money there, the respectable return would entice many to leave some of their money to grow.
 

frenchbriefs

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i dont need cpf or minimum sum to live,all i need is love.....

[video=youtube;1bG_zk6FwU0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1bG_zk6FwU0&feature=kp[/video]
 

virus

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Nevermind their cb throw in for free fark deal. I can find a better cb free deal x 5 with my money. Just return back to me and stfu.
 

makapaaa

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Since the 154th Leeporter likes his FAP master to hold back his money, he can carry on with it. But let those who do not want to be held stranglehold by the FAP to withdraw all of their CPF. Will the 154th Leeporter stick to his gun if he is given a choice or is he just talking cock to please his FAP master only?
 

AsiaOne

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If the CPF minimum sum and CPF Life scheme is as good as the writer says then there is no need to make it compulsory. People will voluntarily jumped into it.
 

halsey02

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I don't bloody care what they can sing & sing & sing..all I want is my hard earn money NOW, when I retire, not, 10 years later, give me some now thing. I want to keep some with them, give me a choice...or GIVE THEM ALL TO ME, NOW!.
 

Leongsam

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It's good to see there is someone who understands the benefits of the minimum sum scheme and has come out to support the policy.
 

halsey02

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cpf is the best saving scheme in the world.

why all the garbages and all the rumours.

Look, you work 3 decades of your life, with your BLOOD SWEAT & TEARS, you trust people with your money that much?? these are not garbages & rumours....I do not trust any government holding onto my money for so long.

If they are sincere & want credibility back, amend CPF to give the account holders, the choice to withdraw everything at the stipulated retirement age & what the f$#$^^$^$^ they do with their money is their business, if they trust the government, leave a MIN SUM behind & withdraw in stages...

That is what people want....it is our our hard earn money...no government must set rules to prolong its withdrawal, whether the intention is good or not...no need to explain the benefits etc..& sing song, till the "cows come home"!!...we are educated enough to know about investments etc... this is 2014 not 1964...

I WANT MY MONEY AT RETIREMENT .PERIOD. :mad:
 

Lionheart

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savings is good
cpf is savings
no need to gamble all away

government is doing every singaporean a big favour
the best saving scheme in the world

singaporeans are not matured enough to manage their own money
 

halsey02

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savings is good
cpf is savings
no need to gamble all away

government is doing every singaporean a big favour
the best saving scheme in the world

singaporeans are not matured enough to manage their own money

What rubbish are you talking about??....is the PAP mature enough to manage my CPF MONEY..the answer is NO!..one can not trust any politicians holding on your money...any money, must be GIVEN BACK AT RETIREMENT...no need all the bull shit, if I can't manage my own money, that is my business...

The more sing song there is to hold the money...the more suspicious it gets...even the intention is good...it will be wise for all SINgaporeans to look, long & hard at their BLOOD SWEAT & TEARS money...& do not wake up, one day, maybe now or somewhere in the future....to find out that, all their Hard Earn Money was mismanaged for decades by people, who is no longer around & where are they going BANG THEIR HEADS...

In view of world conditions & experiences with other politicians holding & squandering pension money....this is not a far fetch fear!

WHEN WE RETIRE, WE WANT OUR MONEY....I take it & squander it... that is my business, after all I work 3 decades the least saving this up...
 

Lionheart

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a compassionate government takes good care of its people
a compassionate government can adopt tyrannical measures for the good of its people
a compassionate government can adopt unpopular measures for the long term good of the country

and this is what the pap government is doing
for the love of its people
pap is prepared to adopt unpopular and harsh measures

a good emperor will think of its people in the long term
many singaporeans will live beyond 80 and even more
if they have no money to sustain that long
they will become destitute and restless and depressed

the pap government is right to save for the people
we singaporeans should be grateful we have such a compassionate and loving government
a government who takes care of its people

look around and see the peace and the prosperity
we should allo kowtow to our world class government and our first world leaders
with foresight, with courage and with great humility

our government is the only government in the world who work unpopularly for its people
majulah singapura!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

winnipegjets

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a compassionate government takes good care of its people
a compassionate government can adopt tyrannical measures for the good of its people
a compassionate government can adopt unpopular measures for the long term good of the country

and this is what the pap government is doing
for the love of its people
pap is prepared to adopt unpopular and harsh measures

a good emperor will think of its people in the long term
many singaporeans will live beyond 80 and even more
if they have no money to sustain that long
they will become destitute and restless and depressed

the pap government is right to save for the people
we singaporeans should be grateful we have such a compassionate and loving government
a government who takes care of its people

look around and see the peace and the prosperity
we should allo kowtow to our world class government and our first world leaders
with foresight, with courage and with great humility

our government is the only government in the world who work unpopularly for its people
majulah singapura!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Kopiuncle, you forgot your meds again?
 

oli9

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I, for one, would like all my CPF money withdrawn on my retirement age & go for a big smorgasbord of orgy with PRC/thai bu. Im entitled to my own little fantasy. After which I'll die away satisfied & peacefully. I don't need no 30 something minister telling me whats good for me or not. He is not my son & Im not his father. So he can go fark off.
 

halsey02

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He forgot to keep his head below waterline of unflushed public toilet singing muckjewla stinkapura to the turds and tissue there

The turds & tissues plus the sanitary pads, must have complained to VIVIEN of NEA & he got ejected!
 
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