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PAP’s quiet counter-insurgency

Typical opposition supporting crowd. When It's not something serious that they can rally against PAP, they fight among themselves. Notice how opposition parties behave the same way as well. 2 biggest factions here are the Pro-WP and Pro-SDP(this group is easiest to spot, just find those hardcore anti-govt), both of whom can't stand each other. WP crowd finds SDP too leftist and extreme while SDP crowd thinks WP too passive and PAP-like. Since this is about PAP IB and not exactly touching on any particular policies that irk them, it's another excuse to get them to bash each other


I seriously don't know how WP-SDP comes into the picture. I don't see anything in this thread even remotely related to WP-SDP. If anything, all I see are PAP IBs panicking over nothing and starting to show their tails. The hall of shame blog must have rattled their cages and they're losing it. I have nothing against a group of people coming to defend their party, but they're doing it with taxpayer dollars and that's what irks the hell out of me. And still talk about country before party. PHUI!!

I have engaged pro SDPs here and tell them that if they want to be identified with SDP, they should be on better behaviour.

Methink is a prime example. He's getting the message but needs to be more polite and less confrontational. Pro WP'ers know he gets irked very easily and a couple of them have goaded him in the past. I wish that did not happen as well, as I think better of pro WP'ers. Let us all play it fair.
 
thats true...i had initially admired him when i first joined because my very first friend was Windsor ...and Windsor did look up to this guy

so in a way it rubbed off on me. ....and his posts were quite informative ( to me at least )

Now?.......YUCCCCKS !!!!

That friend of yours Windsor like many of us were easily taken in. I was mulling as to whether to put up another thread on the following but decided not to stroke his ego by dedicating a thread just about him. From this Sticky:

"http://singsupplies.com/showthread.php?51435-Discusssions-on-Race-Guide-Ropes

Discusssions on Race - Guide-Ropes

Folks

Though race and everything related to it are not off limits, please exercise care and articulate your viewpoints with sensitivity and have that dab of tolerance. "

He preaches sensitivity and tolerance and you all can see for yourself his own depth of sensitivity and tolerance. Now please tell me should anyone listen to this hypocrite?

Not only should we practise sensitivity and tolerance regarding racism, it also applies to maligning other members without evidence or if one has objections to certain actions of other members. There are other avenues like PM's, infracting the person or making a report aganst him/her. Calling others out and making accusations including personal insults is very unbecoming of one who should show a good example and who should know better since he is the author of that Sticky.

Furthermore Raiders has pointed out that he is also the Super Moderator of this forum. Can you believe it?:eek:
 
Just sending more people to get wack in cyberspace. If policies are good, no need to do such things. Majority will support.
 
i think char_azn gave an additional angle with which to view this situation.....he could be having mood swings. This individual does have basic personality issues for sure ... the like of which

even a personality transplant wont help and these swings could aggravate him resulting in such behaviour and posts.

My late mother in law also had such mood swings ( not caused by me :) ) and displayed similar characteristics with regards to unprovoked

aggression....but without the lies, bitterness, vindictiveness, judgemental and unforgiving heart bits.






That friend of yours Windsor like many of us were easily taken in. I was mulling as to whether to put up another thread on the following but decided not to stroke his ego by dedicating a thread just about him. From this Sticky:

. Can you believe it?:eek:
 
hyenas still have a place in the wilderness' pecking order, no matter how sniveling and disgustingly hideous they are. even predators respect the existence of other predators. only the megalomaniacal tyrant will snuff everyone else out
Hard biting piece. And what intrigue, and baggage ex Delphi. :p

If one is above the fray, minus bad conscience - don't really buy the conspiracy thingy :cool:
 
great! my pet snake is a pap IB agent!

http://thestar.com.my/columnists/st...ightdownsouth/12360876&sec=Insight+Down+South

Saturday November 24, 2012
PAP’s quiet counter-insurgency
INSIGHT: DOWN SOUTH By SEAH CHIANG NEE
[email protected]


The ruling party’s digital initiative is to defend itself or go on the offensive against online critics, which include Opposition representatives.

MORE details have emerged from one of the world’s most unusual government operations which involve sending teams of agents into cyberspace to take on its critics.

It was launched by the People’s Action Party (PAP) five years ago under Defence Minister Ng Eng Hen and several top MPs to counter a rising tide of anti-establishment postings.

It formed a new media committee, which included what The Straits Times described in 2007 as “a quiet PAP counter-insurgency” group. It would send teams of members anonymously into various message boards to rebut anti-government criticisms.

A PAP activist was quoted then as saying that his job was to track popular blogs and forums to “see if there is anything we can clarify” on controversial issues such as the impending hike in the Goods and Services Tax.

Then on Oct 11, a blog threw more light on the operation allegedly with information supplied by a former agent. It also promised more reports. (Five days later the movement posted an offer to buy Internet user IDs from account holders, paying each a few hundred dollars or more. The longer they had been used, the higher the value.)

It said this group, My Compass, is led by four administrators (their names and photos were published), each leading a group of members.

Altogether the group has 260 operatives, which if accurate is not a small outfit, according to the new report.

Information of its size and modus operandi is said to have come from a former member named Kelly. It has not been confirmed by the government. So far it has not been denied.

It continued: “Access to this by invitation-only group, is via recommendations of existing trusted members.”

Four years or less separate the next election when the New Media will likely be important to determine whether the PAP can wrestle back lost votes or lose more seats.

More than three quarters of the Internet postings today are critical of the government or its policies.

This PAP digital initiative is aimed at defending itself or going into the offensive against online critics, which include Opposition representatives.

It is quite a fascinating subject and uniquely Singaporean. No other government in the world - democratic or dictatorial - is known to have operated such an outfit.

Elsewhere, cyberspace critics would either be tolerated as normal as in the West or banned or jailed and their sites banned in authoritarian societies.

The harsher steps would probably have fitted Singapore during the Lee Kuan Yew era. Here happily, they are not prevalent.

Instead, the authorities have structured the response to cyber critics by confronting them with a business-like organisation.

“The PAP could simply have depended on existing laws to control their excesses or let its own PAP supporters to engage them.

“However, it is done by people ... engaged in structured jobs,” said a young professional.

But he feels that - however unpopular and unethical the tactic is - it is better to have it than having the PAP resorting to its old knuckle duster days of censorship, banning or prosecution.”

Overall, the reaction is predictably widely against it.

In this informed economy, successful propaganda needs to be practised by experts, people skilled in subtly articulating issues. Most of the operatives today are none of these.

The first rule is that no one should actually know it is propaganda. Making it public destroys its ability to be effective.

I have been reading some of the postings and it has not been very difficult to spot an agent despite the anonymity.

A few of them even openly made clear their links by repeatedly declaring: “Long live PAP” or “Without the PAP, there won’t be a Singapore.” Are readers fools?

The use of expletives or crude language is sometimes used when referring to disliked anti-PAP posters, Opposition parties or their representatives, which again reveals a motive.

In politics in Singapore, there is a general rule: There should be no anger or hatred and no revenge, whether attacking the PAP or the Opposition.

But in the current Internet world, there is too much crude language and personal attacks emerging from the anti-PAP camp, and they should stop.

Now some of the members of the PAP group show they are no better than the people they want to correct.

There is a more important point. I would have thought that the biggest needs for the group are issues like immigration, inflation, healthcare, overcrowding, public housing, where the PAP has been charged with negligence.

Surprisingly, putting up a defence has not been seriously tried. In fact, these controversies rarely figured in their postings.

To me, it is like selecting a group of people, throwing them together and telling them: “You go out and do this and this” probably without real training.

If it is carefully implemented, having government teams to explain issues over the Net is a good idea. But it needs a systematic selection and training of agents. Maybe Singapore is not yet ready for such sophistication.

Describing the project as alarming, reader Ng Yi Shu said: “A group of seemingly one-minded people controlling public opinion and warping public perception certainly is troublesome for a society progressing towards the ideals of openness and free speech.”

Jeremy Chen, from Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT) suggested: “We have to civilise this PAP Internet Brigade. It is as yet not at a level of cultural sophistication that would allow it to engage a civil society.”
 
You always get picked for for two reasons

1) talking about something with no clue what is going on. Just like the comments below. Completely off.
2) telling lies. That Sam agreed to hand over the details of a forummer that revealed your ID. Even your brother got dragged into it. You called your yourself an IT professional and you have no idea when and where to use your nick. And giving people the impressions that you are a PTI and when cornered, come out excuses. These are just 2.

Telling lies is one thing. Getting caught and still around is amazing. My eyes nearly popped out when you made that claim.

You remind me of RC grassroots leaders who are clueless but want to be a winning party. Either that or your parent is a grassroots leader and you need to defend the party. Just like how you calculate the costs of HDB yesterday.



Typical opposition supporting crowd. When It's not something serious that they can rally against PAP, they fight among themselves. Notice how opposition parties behave the same way as well. 2 biggest factions here are the Pro-WP and Pro-SDP(this group is easiest to spot, just find those hardcore anti-govt), both of whom can't stand each other. WP crowd finds SDP too leftist and extreme while SDP crowd thinks WP too passive and PAP-like. Since this is about PAP IB and not exactly touching on any particular policies that irk them, it's another excuse to get them to bash each other
 
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Char anz is confirm chop chop chicken chop a PAP internet brigade member.

Always making remarks in suppork of pap and always sowing discord in the oppo.
 
They must then be paying peanuts. His arguments is akin to pushing water uphill.

One day I revealed a comical on the fly major decision by old man that went against the cabinet decision to shelve the Changi airport project for funding reasons. Joe Conceicao, the former PAP MP and Ambassdor was campaigning somewher around Tanjong Rhu when old man rally speech was drowned by a Paya Lebar bound incoming airliner. Old man was fuming and he had to stop. When the noise died down, the first thing he mentioned to the crowd was that Changi Sirport will be built and they would not have the noise.

The next morning, the Minister of Communications and Transport, founding cabinet minister and brother in law of the old man and Minister responsible for the airport found out when he read the ST. He called Joe and Joe confirmed what was said.

Yong was so mad that he showed the old man the middle finger. Family crisis intervention team stepped in and a deal was struck. He left a year later. The project was transferred to Ministry of Finance and a young man with Tancho hairstyle working in the admin scheme with MOF was heavily involved in the airport. H is now the President.

Mr PAP, PTI then steps in says that it all lies and that Changi Airport. was the best decision. I am sure he still does not know what the story is all about. I am sure he still does not know why things are postponed, where funds comes actoss. Cabinet decisions, etc.

Char anz is confirm chop chop chicken chop a PAP internet brigade member.

Always making remarks in suppork of pap and always sowing discord in the oppo.
 
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Hard biting piece. And what intrigue, and baggage ex Delphi. :p

If one is above the fray, minus bad conscience - don't really buy the conspiracy thingy :cool:

Ya man why keep harping on the ex Delphi days? It's akin to the ruling regime's constantly reminding us of riots from yesteryears.

It's boring.
 
There is no counter insurgency, its just the people rising up against bigotry by opposition supporters. There's just too much lies and trash from these dogs.
 
Ya man why keep harping on the ex Delphi days? It's akin to the ruling regime's constantly reminding us of riots from yesteryears ...
oso akin 2 ze constant reminder of a fishy village from donkeys' ears ...
 
They must then be paying peanuts. His arguments is akin to pushing water uphill.

One day I revealed a comical on the fly major decision by old man that went against the cabinet decision to shelve the Changi airport project for funding reasons. Joe Conceicao, the former PAP MP and Ambassdor was campaigning somewher around Tanjong Rhu when old man rally speech was drowned by a Paya Lebar bound incoming airliner. Old man was fuming and he had to stop. When the noise died down, the first thing he mentioned to the crowd was that Changi Sirport will be built and they would not have the noise.

The next morning, the Minister of Communications and Transport, founding cabinet minister and brother in law of the old man and Minister responsible for the airport found out when he read the ST. He called Joe and Joe confirmed what was said.

Yong was so mad that he showed the old man the middle finger. Family crisis intervention team stepped in and a deal was struck. He left a year later. The project was transferred to Ministry of Finance and a young man with Tancho hairstyle working in the admin scheme with MOF was heavily involved in the airport. H is now the President. .

I won't bother arguing. Go check your own stupid article. The timeline is totally off. Planning was started way before the turn of events that U described and made it sound like LKY brain just got fried and make the decision impromptu. Unless U have never worked on a project before, any idiot would be able to tell U, planning takes a long time. Go look up your own stupid post and compare it to this.
http://infopedia.nl.sg/articles/SIP_574_2004-12-23.html

As for me lying about Sam exposing someone's ID. U must have shit your pants knowing it could happen to U with that overreaction. Go search for the post again. My exact words were Sam gave me the IP and I had a screenshot of it to prove it. Debating anything else with a someone who can spin bullshit out of thin air is going to be pointless.
 
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Mr char an, you obviously are clueless.

Yes planning take time. But this is lky u tokking abt.

Lky can just bulldoze a plan that was discussed for years.

Or force people to put up a plan in weeks that would normally take months to develop

You are correct to say changi was already on the drawing board for years.

But the whole plan was in cold storage due to the short sightedness of the fucked up cabinet.

Only lky outburst forced people to get the plan going.


http://infopedia.nl.sg/articles/SIP_574_2004-12-23.html

As for me lying about Sam exposing someone's ID. U must have shit your pants knowing it could happen to U with that overreaction. Go search for the post again. My exact words were Sam gave me the IP and I had a screenshot of it to prove it. Debating anything else with a someone who can spin bullshit out of thin air is going to be pointless.
 
I won't bother arguing.

Don't bother with him. His modus operandi is to attack then runs off.

"Discusssions on Race - Guide-Ropes (By Scroobal)

Though race and everything related to it are not off limits, please exercise care and articulate your viewpoints with sensitivity and have that dab of tolerance."

Actually I am a hypocrite as I have no sensitivity or tolerance for others and I like to malign forum members and has no credibility at all.
 
Hard biting piece. And what intrigue, and baggage ex Delphi. :p

If one is above the fray, minus bad conscience - don't really buy the conspiracy thingy :cool:

yup, history repeats itself and provides forecast of the future. :p

amazing how he appears with one of his clones to reply, then replies to his clone. the constant logging off and on must be tiresome. and sometimes, it leads to mistakes. :cool:
 
The frog is getting fucking booooooored can we move on pleeeeeeeeeease?
 
You are truly clueless. How to help you. Tell me you know the meaning of dynamic IP and timestamp? You are supposed to be a techy. So what happened, you got the particulars and the Police arrested the culprit ? You worse than Indian movie in terms of spinning story.

Nobody in the civil service or the Govt is going to admit and publish something that smacks of dictatorship. You provide a link to a govt source. What do you think the Govt source is going to write - that old man went against a cabinet decision to delay Changi Airport and that it was not a cabinet decision and the Minister in charge of the Airport had to find out from the Straits Times.

If for example a member of family went to prison for theft for one week and your neighbour ask you what happened to the chap. I am sure you are not going to provide a link to subcourts showing the trial details. You are going to say that he got ICT, went holiday etc.

I stopped arguing with you because you are really clueless. Its painful.



I won't bother arguing. Go check your own stupid article. The timeline is totally off. Planning was started way before the turn of events that U described and made it sound like LKY brain just got fried and make the decision impromptu. Unless U have never worked on a project before, any idiot would be able to tell U, planning takes a long time. Go look up your own stupid post and compare it to this.
http://infopedia.nl.sg/articles/SIP_574_2004-12-23.html

As for me lying about Sam exposing someone's ID. U must have shit your pants knowing it could happen to U with that overreaction. Go search for the post again. My exact words were Sam gave me the IP and I had a screenshot of it to prove it. Debating anything else with a someone who can spin bullshit out of thin air is going to be pointless.
 
You are truly clueless. How to help you. Tell me you know the meaning of dynamic IP and timestamp? You are supposed to be a techy. So what happened, you got the particulars and the Police arrested the culprit ? You worse than Indian movie in terms of spinning story.

Nobody in the civil service or the Govt is going to admit and publish something that smacks of dictatorship. You provide a link to a govt source. What do you think the Govt source is going to write - that old man went against a cabinet decision to delay Changi Airport and that it was not a cabinet decision and the Minister in charge of the Airport had to find out from the Straits Times.

If for example a member of family went to prison for theft for one week and your neighbour ask you what happened to the chap. I am sure you are not going to provide a link to subcourts showing the trial details. You are going to say that he got ICT, went holiday etc.

I stopped arguing with you because you are really clueless. Its painful.

Come on come on lets all show hand! That would be fun! Let's do it, do it, do it! This forum is so boring. Come on, come on. Threaten to blow the world up with a petaton nuclear bomb. Let us all get into it :D
 
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