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PAP’s quiet counter-insurgency

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The ruling party’s digital initiative is to defend itself or go on the offensive against online critics, which include Opposition representatives.

PAP’s quiet counter-insurgency
INSIGHT: DOWN SOUTH By SEAH CHIANG NEE
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MORE details have emerged from one of the world’s most unusual government operations which involve sending teams of agents into cyberspace to take on its critics.

It was launched by the People’s Action Party (PAP) five years ago under Defence Minister Ng Eng Hen and several top MPs to counter a rising tide of anti-establishment postings.

It formed a new media committee, which included what The Straits Times described in 2007 as “a quiet PAP counter-insurgency” group. It would send teams of members anonymously into various message boards to rebut anti-government criticisms.

A PAP activist was quoted then as saying that his job was to track popular blogs and forums to “see if there is anything we can clarify” on controversial issues such as the impending hike in the Goods and Services Tax.

Then on Oct 11, a blog threw more light on the operation allegedly with information supplied by a former agent. It also promised more reports. (Five days later the movement posted an offer to buy Internet user IDs from account holders, paying each a few hundred dollars or more. The longer they had been used, the higher the value.)

It said this group, My Compass, is led by four administrators (their names and photos were published), each leading a group of members.

Altogether the group has 260 operatives, which if accurate is not a small outfit, according to the new report.

Information of its size and modus operandi is said to have come from a former member named Kelly. It has not been confirmed by the government. So far it has not been denied.

It continued: “Access to this by invitation-only group, is via recommendations of existing trusted members.”

Four years or less separate the next election when the New Media will likely be important to determine whether the PAP can wrestle back lost votes or lose more seats.

More than three quarters of the Internet postings today are critical of the government or its policies.

This PAP digital initiative is aimed at defending itself or going into the offensive against online critics, which include Opposition representatives.

It is quite a fascinating subject and uniquely Singaporean. No other government in the world - democratic or dictatorial - is known to have operated such an outfit.

Elsewhere, cyberspace critics would either be tolerated as normal as in the West or banned or jailed and their sites banned in authoritarian societies.

The harsher steps would probably have fitted Singapore during the Lee Kuan Yew era. Here happily, they are not prevalent.

Instead, the authorities have structured the response to cyber critics by confronting them with a business-like organisation.

“The PAP could simply have depended on existing laws to control their excesses or let its own PAP supporters to engage them.

“However, it is done by people ... engaged in structured jobs,” said a young professional.

But he feels that - however unpopular and unethical the tactic is - it is better to have it than having the PAP resorting to its old knuckle duster days of censorship, banning or prosecution.”

Overall, the reaction is predictably widely against it.

In this informed economy, successful propaganda needs to be practised by experts, people skilled in subtly articulating issues. Most of the operatives today are none of these.

The first rule is that no one should actually know it is propaganda. Making it public destroys its ability to be effective.

I have been reading some of the postings and it has not been very difficult to spot an agent despite the anonymity.

A few of them even openly made clear their links by repeatedly declaring: “Long live PAP” or “Without the PAP, there won’t be a Singapore.” Are readers fools?

The use of expletives or crude language is sometimes used when referring to disliked anti-PAP posters, Opposition parties or their representatives, which again reveals a motive.

In politics in Singapore, there is a general rule: There should be no anger or hatred and no revenge, whether attacking the PAP or the Opposition.

But in the current Internet world, there is too much crude language and personal attacks emerging from the anti-PAP camp, and they should stop.

Now some of the members of the PAP group show they are no better than the people they want to correct.

There is a more important point. I would have thought that the biggest needs for the group are issues like immigration, inflation, healthcare, overcrowding, public housing, where the PAP has been charged with negligence.

Surprisingly, putting up a defence has not been seriously tried. In fact, these controversies rarely figured in their postings.

To me, it is like selecting a group of people, throwing them together and telling them: “You go out and do this and this” probably without real training.

If it is carefully implemented, having government teams to explain issues over the Net is a good idea. But it needs a systematic selection and training of agents. Maybe Singapore is not yet ready for such sophistication.

Describing the project as alarming, reader Ng Yi Shu said: “A group of seemingly one-minded people controlling public opinion and warping public perception certainly is troublesome for a society progressing towards the ideals of openness and free speech.”

Jeremy Chen, from Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT) suggested: “We have to civilise this PAP Internet Brigade. It is as yet not at a level of cultural sophistication that would allow it to engage a civil society.”
 
The PAP has no bloody clue on governing in a democracy. Counter-insurgency? The PAP still thinks that they are operating during The Emergency. Now, we know why they are so out of touch with the populace.
 
And the PAP has gone back to the suing strategy. If the ministers can't take the heat, then they should stay out of politics.

The government has the resources funded with taxpayer's dollars while critics are limited by their personal means. So, a gaffe happened. A mere correction would be sufficient. Instead, lawsuits were used. That's not the sign of a mature democracy. Which other developed countries have ministers suing critics?
 
I'm happy to see the PAP taking efforts to correct the misconceptions and outright lies that are perpetuated in cyberspace.

The drivel that is posted on a daily basis is usually entirely baseless and to make things worse, often involves personal attacks on the very people that should be shown the utmost respect.

Most PAP critics are idiots anyway so destroying their arguments doesn't take too much effort.

The claim that without the PAP, there would be no Singapore couldn't be more accurate. I'm glad the fact is being highlighted on a regular basis. I hope more people come to realise this before the 2016 election.

Thankfully, we have a host of new citizens who appreciate the PAP. They often come from countries where governments are corrupt, lazy and ineffective and are extremely thankful to have settled in a country where efficiency, honesty and strategic planning is the order of the day.
 
Then on Oct 11, a blog threw more light on the operation allegedly with information supplied by a former agent. It also promised more reports. (Five days later the movement posted an offer to buy Internet user IDs from account holders, paying each a few hundred dollars or more. The longer they had been used, the higher the value.
I think samleong probably sold his user ID to PAP. I'm am selling mine too. Pls pm me on offer. Starting bid $500.:D

Also appealing for more points so that PAP will pay more. I promise that I will donate half of what pap pays me to sbf.
 
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where to download application form? what is the requirement har?
 
the internet is really very anti-pap. pap ought to fight back.

btw the pap ib in this forum are really useless. sack them all and hire a better bunch.
 
I'm happy to see the PAP taking efforts to correct the misconceptions and outright lies that are perpetuated in cyberspace.

The drivel that is posted on a daily basis is usually entirely baseless and to make things worse, often involves personal attacks on the very people that should be shown the utmost respect.

Most PAP critics are idiots anyway so destroying their arguments doesn't take too much effort.

The claim that without the PAP, there would be no Singapore couldn't be more accurate. I'm glad the fact is being highlighted on a regular basis. I hope more people come to realise this before the 2016 election.

Thankfully, we have a host of new citizens who appreciate the PAP. They often come from countries where governments are corrupt, lazy and ineffective and are extremely thankful to have settled in a country where efficiency, honesty and strategic planning is the order of the day.

For the first time in more than 10 years, there appears to be a stronger pap presence than anti pap presence in this forum.

Perhaps it just shows what a roaring success it has been. Thank you Leongsam. :)
 
For the first time in more than 10 years, there appears to be a stronger pap presence than anti pap presence in this forum.

Perhaps it just shows what a roaring success it has been. Thank you Leongsam. :)


The article said the PAP IB offers to pay money to buy established accounts.

How many SBF accounts have been compromised?

Maybe I have been compromised? :-) :-)
 
The PAP has no bloody clue on governing in a democracy. Counter-insurgency? The PAP still thinks that they are operating during The Emergency. Now, we know why they are so out of touch with the populace.

Bro winnipegjets, thanks for this thread and for your comments in posts#2 and 3.

Perhaps this thread will make those who are here on "secret missions" or "covert operations" feel uncomfortable and stay away from it.
Then again perhaps not, hahahaha.............................

To those cyberspace pap operatives, I have this to say.
The problem is not so much that you support pap or are working for them. Perhaps you were brought up in that environment or you think there is some benefit to being their supporter or you need the money.
What is unconscionable is that you pretend to be unaware of the socials issues that have arisen and the daily problems faced by ordinary Singaporeans, as a result of a government not being focused on the objective of making their lives better.
This attitude and behavour makes you despicable.

And one more thing: it's not always about money ok? hahahahahaha.......................................
 
first of all, not sure if this report is true. i've been saying good things about the pap, and i've earned not a single cent from them. there are some who will support them without harboring ulterior motives. :p :eek: :D
 
I remember that most people on this portal supported TJS at the PE. Yet, he got just 25% of the votes, and was 3rd out of 4 candidates. Online media is important? I am yet to be persuaded.
 
The article said the PAP IB offers to pay money to buy established accounts.

How many SBF accounts have been compromised?

Maybe I have been compromised? :-) :-)

If your account has been compromised, the guy using it has got to be the worst pap operative ever. They'll be pulling the plug on him soon in view of all those negative comments made about how poorly the government has been performing, don't you worry, hahaha.

It may not always be the pap machinery backing the purchase of accounts. We all know how tight fisted they are with money and how important money is to them. Sometimes, rich pap supporters may also see it fit to purchase accounts to show how loyal they are to the cause.

The members' list arranged by reputation makes interesting reading these days I have to say. The number of new InfP accounts with funny nicknames is staggering.

Leongsam: "Thanks guys. Or guy. Or whatever." :D
 
I highly doubt the facts reported in the article are real. From what I've seen and heard of this group My Compass, it's basically made up of retards that mirrors the same retarded fanatics of the opposition gang. U know, the usual morons U find commenting on sites like TRE, TRS and TT. Well the My Compass group is PAP's version of those. If opposition with minority support have so many fanatical idiots, it's not surprising PAP has some of those as well

As for the speculated measures by PAP to counter random bullshit on the internet, they are using official channels like the Factually and Singapolitic sites to do it. Also there have been a host of MPs creating Facebook pages and blogs. Didn't exist before GE 2011.

Speaking of which anyone seen Ron Ron recently?
 
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A Singaporean writing sensationalist pieces for a M'sian publication. It has to be that way.
 
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