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All these hypersonic craft have been tested and developed by NASA during the Cold War with the Soviets. The PLA simply copied the blueprints and made models of them to rouse nationalistic spirits. They do not have a working model yet. Maybe in a few years time, they will copy a commercial one stolen from SpaceX or Sierra Nevada or other commercial companies. Current cuttinng edge planes are made by Lockheed's Skunk Works. And they include operational aircraft like the SR-72, the successor to the Blackbird SR-71, which still has not been matched by anything from the Russians or Chinese. The Americans still lead in the air. And space.

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美国为何突然寻求与我北斗合作?或担心被俄罗斯抢先

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2018年11月1日23时57分,我国在西昌卫星发射中心用长征三号乙运载火箭,成功发射第四十一颗北斗导航卫星。这颗卫星属于地球静止轨道卫星,是我国北斗三号系统第十七颗组网卫星,也是北斗三号系统首颗地球静止轨道卫星。(图片来源:中国军视网)


大家都知道,美国一直试图抑制中国的发展,喜欢玩卡脖子的招术,动不动就实施所谓制裁与封锁等政策,可惜往往发挥反作用。如今正在发生一个有趣的现象,那就是美国一边在航天领域严密的封锁中国,连正常的学术交流当中,也有拒绝中国科学家访美的行为出现;另一方面,竟然愿意与中国在卫星导航技术领域进行合作,早在2014年,中美就有中美民用卫星导航政府间合作机制,2017年底,又签署了《北斗与GPS信号兼容与互操作联合声明》,美国新一代的GPS已经完成有关的硬件准备工作,虽然仅限于民用领域,但是这也是非常值得注意的现象。
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原本美国在导航系统领域是严格封锁中国,在上世纪90年代时,中国曾经试图加入欧洲的伽利略系统,美国利用自己的优势来坑害中国,让中国被拒之门外,最后迫使中国自己开发北斗系统,这才有了今天的北斗系统成功,可以说美国人发挥了反作用,功不可没。
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美国对中国的围堵政策,没有放松的样子,相反还在变本加厉的在封锁中国,那么美方为何突然改变态度寻求与北斗合作?如果研究原因的话,我们发现事情很简单,美国再不动手就要被俄罗斯抢先,在此之前俄罗斯已经与中国研究,将俄罗斯格洛纳斯系统与中国北斗系统进行合作的问题,不是简单的讨论,而是签协议,中俄之间的导航合作开始时间不比中美早,但是进展非常快,已经成立中俄卫星导航重大战略合作项目委员会,且已连续数次进行工作会议,最终双方打算要建立一个联合的卫星导航体系。
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中俄一旦在导航领域联手,实际只是时间问题了,对全球卫星导航市场中的其它供应商,无论是GPS,还是伽利略系统来说,将是一个灾难性的后果,因为它将极具竞争力,中国本身就是最大的市场之一,再加上俄罗斯,在全球范围的影响将非常巨大。
如此局面已经让欧洲的同行开始叫苦,等于被抢占了生存空间,美方只能咬牙求合作,除此之外,美方实在没有更好的办法。不能对抗,那就只能合作,对于美国来说,这属于一个解决难题的基本思路了,绝对不是一条路吊死子自己。
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无论是合作,还是对抗,所求的目的都是追求自己的利益最大化,不可能为了制裁而制裁,如果能够通过与北斗的合作而获得更大的利益,他们美国人绝对不会拒绝,这才是美国人的商业式心态。
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美国的行为属于行事原则的体现,这种变化则中国进步的体现,我们已经可以用自身的实力,逼迫对手不得不改变政策了,这只能算一个例子了,类似的事实相当多的。可惜美国既便放下架子,找中国合作也改变不了什么,美国已经错过最好机会,北斗系统已经成熟了,全球组网工作已全面开始。即便与俄罗斯相比,美国也依然落后太多,俄方将导航合作视为与中国合作的开始,正在寻求更多的合作内容,美国压根就没法比了。
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无论是合作,还是遏制,美国无论怎么干都不可能阻止中国的发展,这是事实结果,而不是理论推导。(作者署名:麦田军事观察)





Why did the United States suddenly seek to cooperate with me? Or worry about being preempted by Russia
November 10, 2018 09:35 Sina Military
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At 2:57 on November 1, 2018, China successfully launched the forty-one Beidou navigation satellite with the Long March 3B carrier rocket at the Xichang Satellite Launch Center. This satellite belongs to the geostationary orbit satellite and is the 17th satellite of the Beidou 3 system in China. It is also the first geostationary orbit satellite of the Beidou III system. (Source: China Military Vision Network)

Everyone knows that the United States has been trying to curb China's development. It likes to play with the card neck. It does not move to implement policies such as sanctions and blockades. Unfortunately, it often plays a counter-productive role. An interesting phenomenon is happening now. That is, the United States has tightly blocked China in the aerospace field. Even in normal academic exchanges, there have been acts of refusing Chinese scientists to visit the United States. On the other hand, they are willing to cooperate with China in the field of satellite navigation technology. In cooperation, as early as 2014, China and the United States had a Sino-US civil satellite navigation intergovernmental cooperation mechanism. At the end of 2017, the "Beidou and GPS Signal Compatibility and Interoperability Joint Statement" was signed. The new generation of GPS in the United States has been completed. Hardware preparation, although limited to the civilian sector, is also a very noteworthy phenomenon.
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Originally, the United States strictly blocked China in the field of navigation systems. In the 1990s, China tried to join the Galileo system in Europe. The United States used its own advantages to punish China, let China be turned away, and finally forced China to develop its own Beidou. System, this is the success of today's Beidou system. It can be said that the Americans have played a counter-productive role.
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The United States’ policy on China’s containment has not relaxed. On the contrary, it is still intensifying its blockade of China. Why did the US suddenly change its attitude and seek cooperation with Beidou? If we study the reasons, we find that the matter is very simple. The United States will not be the first to be preempted by Russia. Before that, Russia has already studied with China and the cooperation between the Russian GLONASS system and the China Beidou system is not a simple discussion. Instead of signing the agreement, the navigation cooperation between China and Russia started no earlier than in China and the United States, but the progress is very fast. The China-Russia satellite navigation major strategic cooperation project committee has been established, and several working meetings have been held. A joint satellite navigation system.
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Once China and Russia join forces in the field of navigation, it is only a matter of time. It will be a disastrous consequence for other suppliers in the global satellite navigation market, whether it is GPS or Galileo system, because it will be highly competitive. China itself is one of the biggest markets, and with Russia, the impact on the global scale will be enormous.

This situation has already caused the European counterparts to start complaining. It is equal to being occupied by the living space. The United States can only bite its teeth and seek cooperation. In addition, the United States has no better way. If you can't fight, you can only cooperate. For the United States, this is a basic idea for solving problems. It is definitely not a way to hang himself.
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Whether it is cooperation or confrontation, the purpose of seeking is to pursue the maximization of their own interests, and it is impossible to impose sanctions for sanctions. If they can obtain greater benefits through cooperation with Beidou, they will never refuse. It is the American business mentality.
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The behavior of the United States is a manifestation of the principle of acting. This change is a manifestation of China's progress. We can already use our own strength to force our opponents to change their policies. This can only be regarded as an example. There are quite a few similar facts. Unfortunately, even if the United States puts down its shelves and finds cooperation with China, it can't change anything. The United States has missed the best opportunity. The Beidou system has matured and the global networking work has begun. Even compared with Russia, the United States still lags far behind. The Russian side regards navigation cooperation as the beginning of cooperation with China. It is seeking more cooperation content, and the United States has no way to compare it.
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Whether it is cooperation or containment, no matter how the United States does it, it is impossible to stop China's development. This is a factual result, not a theoretical deduction. (Author's signature: wheat field military observation)
 

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Remember the USA vetoed China from joining the International Space Station on the ground of espionage! They have openly declared that they want to contain China in every sphere of activity; whether military or otherwise!
 

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Remember the USA vetoed China from joining the International Space Station on the ground of espionage! They have openly declared that they want to contain China in every sphere of activity; whether military or otherwise!


Putin already stopped ISS cooperation with USA given 2020 notice, long ago.

US is broke and dead, Russia not going to fetch astronauts for NASA any more. US is weak and poor. NASA Space-X all fucked. Putin Sanction USA from getting Russian RD-180 rocket engine, USA is crippled. Only sucker Japan is helping USA.

China will dominate space. Putin is trying to JV China on new Chinese Space Station. Models of these are now showing at 珠海航展2018.












 

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首曝内置弹舱细节!我歼20战机四机编队献礼空军

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Very strictly and tactically, stealth jets like J-20 will NEVER OPEN AMMUNITION BAY especially the big center one until the very moment it is firing the missiles / smart bombs, and the pilots will immediately close when done. The reason is very simple, the Interior of Ammo Bay is NON-STEALTH. The whole plane becomes Exposed To Normal Radar Detection when opening the stealth covers. If you don't close as fast as possible, the enemy will have enough time to track you and send you missiles to kill you.

The moment you opened Ammo bay you will appear on enemy's radars visible. The moment you close you will vanish again from normal radar screens. This is a NOW YOU SEE ME - NOW YOU DON'T game, you played wrongly your death comes very quickly, so Lon Pray Pray!

PLA's J-20 is ace superior to F-22 due to better stealth SIDE AMMO BAY Design, as seen in this picture. Because only J-20 in whole world now, has this kind of CLOSABLE Side Ammo Bay, as seen in pics, that their stealth hatch doors can Open - Let the AA missile out- and CLOSE AGAIN, Leaving the Missile OUTSIDE. This minimized Radar exposure - only the missile is exposed, hence much smaller Radar reflection. The enemy radar can see a missile, (if missile itself is not stealth designed) When the speed of missile is like a jet fighter's speed, then it means the missile is not fired yet, but attached to fighter outside, meaning it is a stealth fighter there, with missile hanging outside. When fired the speed of missile is way faster then jets.

F-22 side ammo bay hatch can not close to leave a missile outside, it close either after missile is fired or retracted (withdrawn) back inside.

F-22 opening up all weapon bays, side ammo bay hatch must remain so widely opened - 2 flaps. J-20 side ammo bay only needs one flap, and can still be closed leaving the missile outside, ready to fire.
 

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It very clear that J-20 vs F-22 that Internal Central Ammo Bay is more spacious. The F-22 bay is CRAMPED and need to STAGGER missiles - one towards front another towards back. J-20 have space to neatly align missiles, and still look spacious, can have larger missiles in future.

F-35 is very lousy. Does not have any side ammo bay. Tiny 2 weapon bays left and right, separately, and not joint into a bigger space. And the bay are not aligned, due to entire plane (STEALTH CONSIDERATION) limitation.


 

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F-22 side ammo bay is also wired angled design, similar limitation like F-35, which means missiles are not aligned with flight. Due to Lousy LIMITATIONS.

When you fly with opened Ammo Bay hatch it is already a bad aerodynamic shape for the whole plane. You further make worse, for yourself when you missiles exposed are at WRONG AERODYNAMIC ANGLES, makes your airplane ALOT HARDER TO FLY & PERFORM.

Missile at angle to fuselage aerodynamic shape meaning it is partially flying side way. Every student can understand this, no need a PhD.
 

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All these hypersonic craft have been tested and developed by NASA during the Cold War with the Soviets. The PLA simply copied the blueprints and made models of them to rouse nationalistic spirits. They do not have a working model yet. Maybe in a few years time, they will copy a commercial one stolen from SpaceX or Sierra Nevada or other commercial companies. Current cuttinng edge planes are made by Lockheed's Skunk Works. And they include operational aircraft like the SR-72, the successor to the Blackbird SR-71, which still has not been matched by anything from the Russians or Chinese. The Americans still lead in the air. And space.

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Sucking ang moh lumpar shiok shiok?
Or bending over to let them tiew and kann your arsehole also shiok shiok?

You fucking pathetic piece of shit!
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It very clear that J-20 vs F-22 that Internal Central Ammo Bay is more spacious. The F-22 bay is CRAMPED and need to STAGGER missiles - one towards front another towards back. J-20 have space to neatly align missiles, and still look spacious, can have larger missiles in future.

F-35 is very lousy. Does not have any side ammo bay. Tiny 2 weapon bays left and right, separately, and not joint into a bigger space. And the bay are not aligned, due to entire plane (STEALTH CONSIDERATION) limitation.





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If you look vertically down from above the aircrafts, nose up, tail down. J-20 missiles are aligned straight forward identical with air frame aerodynamically.
Using letters to illustrate missiles.

J-20 missiles are like a line of big letters I : |||||

The F-22 missiles are like: \|||/

The F-35 missiles are like: //\\

When missiles are full and symmetrically loaded (not possible in real wars) that will look like the above. But you will fire away your missiles or smart bombs, meaning your aerodynamic will become: ..\\ or //..

dots .. represents empty position of spent missiles.

And your missiles will cause your plane to fly skewed to one side forcing your rudder and aileron to compensate and your engine suffer extra loading.


There is more than just Stealth Limitation reasons to this. During earlier USAF prototype experiments for stealth jet missiles, - from internal ammo bays, they found a problem that when 1st launched, the missiles got a very risky high chance of slamming against the fuselage of the planes, because the opened up ammo bay is a cavity and is lower air pressure area, the outside have higher air pressure - this got over effect from entire stealth air frame profile limitation also.

I saw videos of these that missiles head slap hard against the fuselage of stealth jets immediately after they ejected from pylon because the strong airflow pushed it that way. The angular mounting of missiles are the designers solution for F-22 to let the air flow push the missile out AWAY from Fuselage to avoid the missile head slapping fuselage.

Chinese designers studied the American problems and solutions, and devised their own solution. If I am not wrong the Chinese missile pylons are like spring loaded to push the missiles outward away from the fuselage, throwing missiles out away from fuselage.
 
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歼20挑战美空军有优势! 独特弹舱设计美国人想不到却有重大缺陷

2018-11-11 22:13 导弹 /中国 /歼20

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在“军火库飞机”概念中,高速隐形战斗机(包括F-22和F-35)将把武器隐藏在战机内部的武器舱中,以最大限度地发挥它们的隐蔽性,使雷达很难发现它们。 例如F-22战斗机机舱内的标准负载量是4枚空对空导弹以及两枚1000磅(约合454公斤)重的炸弹。与之相比,俄罗斯和中国的很多战斗机尽管不隐形,但是在它们的机身和机翼可携带导弹和炸弹的数量通常可达10枚或更多。

歼20是左右两箱体结构,要担心的还是挂弹高G机动时,机主梁承受不承受的住。一个隔板机体刚度下降很多。这又是一个矛盾设计,一方面弹舱强度较歼20下降很多,另一方面却强调多用途能力,可能装备较重的对地武器,需要更高的强度。一方面说不强调高速能力,另一方面则需要低空活动,低空大表速性能应该很重要。最终要看总体设计了,没有隔板有空间利用高的好处,但也有互相影响的不利之处:譬如F22弹舱可以只打开一边的门射弹,而单一弹舱恐怕这样做就有一定难度(不是做不到)。另外中间有隔板有利于结构强度,这样弹舱周边用于加强的结构就可以节省点重量,单一弹舱在这方面就会稍微吃亏,不过个人认为结构上重量增加不会太多。总之,用什么方式来做结构设计与总体要求有关,要看什么是主要矛盾。

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歼-20战机的导弹发射架与装备在美国F-22“猛禽”喷气式隐形战斗机上的完全不同。歼-20的武器舱门关闭后,导弹依然挂在发射架上。这样的设计有利于减小阻力和飞机的雷达标记。与美国F-22战斗机的武器舱设计相比,这种方式使它的导弹引导头视野更好,不必采用异常复杂的"发射后锁定"的方式来使用导弹。

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网友CG歼20带弹图片

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摄于2013年的歼20带模拟霹雳12的图片

歼-20的武器舱门似乎是专门设计了一个缺口以便该导弹尺寸巨大的尾翼通过。

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如果是使用锁定再发射的红外格斗弹,F22进入格斗状态时侧弹仓需要全程开启,以捕捉战机使得红外导引头锁定目标;而J20的侧弹仓盖可以关闭,虽然此时挂架、格斗弹外置仍然会破坏隐身性和气动外形,但相对于F22的全程开盖来说影响会小很多。这种情况下,毫无疑问,J20的侧弹仓设计完胜。

但在使用发射再锁定的红外格斗弹时,F22可以保持侧弹仓盖关闭进入缠斗状态,需要发射导弹时再打开仓盖,发射完毕后立刻关闭,从而把隐身性和气动外形的破坏时间降到最低。而从设计上来看,J20的侧弹仓很可能无法做到这一点。F22的侧弹仓盖是两片式,格斗弹挂架(导轨)是弹出式。无论是仓盖打开速度,还是挂架弹出就位的速度都要快于J20的单片盖、旋转挂架。从好孩子的视频上来看,J20格斗弹从开盖到转出就位,大致需要4秒钟时间。在近距格斗中,这个时间太长了,恐怕只能进入缠斗前就事先把导弹外挂。F22的侧弹仓设计中,格斗弹向下、向外倾斜,从而为导引头提供了更好的视界。而J20采取的挂弹方式,导引头多少受到鸭翼、边条遮挡,视界受限。

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图片为网友PS,可以看到军迷对国产四代机带弹数量的渴望

其实导弹的容量并不是武器的重要点, 容量多指的是可以对多个目标,最主要的而是于命中,歼20如果装备F22测试的导弹 同样可以容下6枚导弹, 但是歼20重点不是在于多个目标,而是从精, 大家都知道歼20机动性差于F22, 但机动性并不代表谁强谁弱, 而五代机最主要的特点就是隐形,先发制人。返回搜狐,查看更多

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导读:在央视近日的则报道中,歼-战斗机首次展示了地面武器挂载的画面,能看出其挂弹非常方便,尤其是侧面弹舱的设计更为巧妙,内部的导弹挂架伸出来后,弹舱盖还能关上,只把待发射的导弹露在外面,大大降低了对全机隐身及气动特性的影响。图注:打开状态的歼-侧弹舱纵观世界上已经服役的几款五代机,为保证隐身性能,基本都采用了内置弹舱。但在具体设计上又各有不同,如美国的-因为采用单发设计,不能利用两台发动机之间的机体空间来布置弹舱,只能在两侧进气道下部挤出空间作为主弹舱,没有空间布置侧弹舱;俄罗斯的苏-虽然是双发设计,




在央视近日的一则报道中,歼-20战斗机首次展示了地面武器挂载的画面,能看出其挂弹非常方便,尤其是侧面弹舱的设计更为巧妙,内部的导弹挂架伸出来后,弹舱盖还能关上,只把待发射的导弹露在外面,大大降低了对全机隐身及气动特性的影响。



图注:打开状态的歼-20侧弹舱
主弹舱+侧弹舱设计
纵观世界上已经服役的几款五代机,为保证隐身性能,基本都采用了内置弹舱。但在具体设计上又各有不同,如美国的F-35因为采用单发设计,不能利用两台发动机之间的机体空间来布置弹舱,只能在两侧进气道下部挤出空间作为主弹舱,没有空间布置侧弹舱;俄罗斯的苏-57虽然是双发设计,但由于机身过于扁平,所以俄罗斯干脆选择不设置侧弹舱,而是利用其两台发动机间距较大的特点,将整个腹部空间设计成弹舱,容积非常大,能挂载远程巡航导弹。

图注:苏-57由于机身太过扁平,难以布置侧弹舱,因而只在腹部设置了两个大型弹舱


只有F-22和歼-20采用了腹部主弹舱+机身两侧侧弹舱相结合的做法。其中,主弹舱容积较大,主要用来挂载一些体积较大、翼展较长的弹药,如远距、中距空空导弹、精确制导炸弹、反辐射导弹或空射巡航导弹等;侧弹舱容积较小,主要挂载近距格斗导弹。
这种设计非常合理,因为主弹舱内的挂架数量有限,如果用来挂载格斗导弹,就挂不了远距导弹或对地攻击武器,会直接影响整机的火力容量和载荷利用效率。而且主弹舱的舱门尺寸大,开合速度慢,对飞机的发射姿态和迎角限制比较多,不利于飞机在近距离格斗时争分夺秒的发射出格斗导弹。因此,在机身两侧各设计一个侧弹舱,专门挂载格斗弹就可以巧妙地解决这个问题。
歼-20侧弹舱比F-22的更加先进
虽然歼-20与F-22都有侧弹舱,但二者的设计是不一样的,对比来看,明显歼-20的更先进一些。
从结构上看,F-22侧弹舱的舱门是两片式设计,内部的导弹挂架上装有一个折叠机构,平时折叠收纳。发射时,上下两片舱门分别向上下开启,然后导弹挂架的折叠机构打开,将挂架伸出弹舱,导弹直接在挂架上发射。等导弹发射后,挂架收回,舱门关闭。



图注:F-22侧弹舱内的导弹挂架特写,能看出其是通过折叠结构进行收放
歼-20侧弹舱的舱门采用向上旋转的单片舱门,内部的导弹挂架采用翻转式设计,可通过铰链式作动机构向下反转。发射时,弹舱门向上打开,导弹挂架向下翻转到弹舱外部,然后舱门关闭,只把导弹和挂架露在外面,形成独特的"半外挂"设计。
也就是说,F-22在格斗时,侧弹舱必须一直开着,而歼-20却可以关闭舱门,只把导弹留在外面。明显歼-20的做法对隐身和气动性能的破坏最小,而且导弹整体突出于机身,更方便导弹导引头搜寻目标,导弹发射后也能更快远离载机,可以减小高温尾流对机身隐身涂层的伤害,比起F-22的设计,更为稳妥和科学。

图注:F-22在格斗时,侧弹舱要一直处于打开状态
从侧弹舱的这个细节可以看出,歼-20在设计上除了高大上的前沿科技,还非常注重实用性,也正是这样的设计理念才让歼-20成为五代机中的佼佼者。



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歼20 challenge the US Air Force has an advantage! Unique bomb cabin design Americans can not think of but have major defects

2018-11-11 22:13 missile / China / 歼 20




In the "Arsenal Aircraft" concept, high-speed stealth fighters (including the F-22 and F-35) will hide their weapons in the weapon bay inside the aircraft to maximize their concealment, making it difficult for radar to find them. . For example, the standard load in the F-22 fighter cabin is four air-to-air missiles and two 1000-pound bombs. In contrast, many fighters in Russia and China, although not invisible, typically carry 10 or more missiles and bombs in their fuselage and wings.


歼20 is the left and right two-box structure. The worry is that when the hoisting high G maneuver, the main beam of the machine can not withstand it. The stiffness of a diaphragm body is much lower. This is another contradictory design. On the one hand, the strength of the bomb bay is much lower than that of the 歼20. On the other hand, it emphasizes the multi-purpose ability. It may be equipped with heavier ground-to-ground weapons and requires higher strength. On the one hand, it does not emphasize high-speed capabilities, on the other hand, it requires low-altitude activities, and low-altitude and high-speed performance should be important. In the end, it depends on the overall design. There is no space for the use of partitions. However, there are also disadvantages of mutual influence: for example, the F22 bomb can only open the door projectile on one side, and it is difficult for a single bomb to do so. (Not impossible). In addition, there is a partition in the middle to facilitate the structural strength, so that the structure around the bullet chamber for reinforcement can save some weight. The single bomb chamber will suffer a little in this respect, but personally think that the structural weight increase will not be too much. In short, the way to do structural design is related to the overall requirements, depending on what is the main contradiction.




The missile launcher of the J-20 fighter is completely different from that of the F-22 Raptor jet stealth fighter. After the weapon door of the 歼-20 is closed, the missile is still hung on the launcher. This design is beneficial to reduce drag and radar marking of the aircraft. Compared with the weapon cabin design of the US F-22 fighter, this approach gives it a better view of the missile's pilot head and does not require the use of an unusually complex "post-launch lock" to use the missile.




Netizen CG歼20 with bomb pictures




Picture taken in 2013 with 霹雳20 with analog 霹雳12


The 歼-20's weapon hatch seems to have been specifically designed with a gap to allow the size of the missile to pass through.




If the infrared rebel is used to lock and re-emit, when the F22 enters the fighting state, the side magazine needs to be fully opened to capture the fighter so that the infrared seeker locks the target; while the J20 side cover can be closed, although the pylon, The external appearance of the fighting bomb will still destroy the stealth and aerodynamic shape, but the impact will be much smaller than the full opening of the F22. In this case, there is no doubt that the J20's side magazine design is over.


However, when using the infrared rebel bullet that is re-locked, the F22 can keep the side cover cover closed and enter the fighting state. When the missile needs to be fired, the cover will be opened again, and the cover will be closed immediately after the launch, thus destroying the stealth and aerodynamic shape. drop to lowest. From the design point of view, J20's side magazine is likely to be unable to do this. The side cover of the F22 is a two-piece type, and the fighting bullet pylon (rail) is pop-up. Whether it is the opening speed of the cover or the position of the hanger is faster than the J20's single-piece cover and rotating pylon. Judging from the video of the good boy, the J20 fighting bomb takes about 4 seconds from opening to closing. In the close combat, this time is too long, I am afraid that the missile can be externally attached before entering the fight. In the F22's side magazine design, the fighting bullets are tilted downwards and outwards, providing a better view of the seeker. The hanging method adopted by the J20, the seeker is somewhat blocked by the canard and the side strip, and the horizon is limited.




The picture is netizen PS, you can see the desire of military fans for the number of domestically produced four generations of machine bombs.


In fact, the capacity of the missile is not an important point of the weapon. The capacity refers to multiple targets, the most important one is the hit. 歼20 If the missile equipped with the F22 test can also accommodate 6 missiles, the focus is 20 It is not in multiple goals, but in precision. Everyone knows that 歼20 mobility is worse than F22, but mobility does not mean who is strong or weak, and the most important feature of the fifth generation is invisibility, preemptive. Go back to Sohu and see more

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A picture lets you figure out how advanced the 弹-20's side bomb bay is.







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In the recent CCTV report, the 歼-Fighter showed the ground-mounted weapon for the first time. It can be seen that the hanging bomb is very convenient, especially the design of the side bomb cabin is more subtle, and the internal missile pylon is extended. After that, the bullet cover can be closed, and only the missile to be launched is exposed, which greatly reduces the impact on the stealth and aerodynamic characteristics of the whole machine. Legend: The open side of the 歼-side bomb bay view of the five fifth-generation aircraft already in service in the world, in order to ensure stealth performance, basically use the built-in bomb bay. However, the specific design is different, such as the United States - because the single-engine design, the space between the two engines can not be used to arrange the bomb bay, only the space in the lower part of the intake duct can be squeezed out as the main bomb Cabin, no space to arrange the side bomb bay; Russian Su-although is a double-engine design,





A picture lets you figure out how advanced the 弹-20's side bomb bay is.

In a recent CCTV report, the J-20 fighter showed the ground-mounted weapon for the first time. It can be seen that the bullet is very convenient, especially the design of the side bomb is more subtle, and the internal missile pylon is extended. After that, the bullet cover can be closed, and only the missile to be launched is exposed, which greatly reduces the impact on the stealth and aerodynamic characteristics of the whole machine.


A picture lets you figure out how advanced the 弹-20's side bomb bay is.

Legend: 歼-20 side bomb bay in open state

Main bomb cabin + side bomb cabin design

Throughout the five generations of machines that have been in service in the world, in order to ensure stealth performance, the built-in bomb bay is basically adopted. However, the specific design is different. For example, the F-35 in the United States cannot use the space between the two engines to arrange the bomb room because of the single-engine design. The main bomb bay has no space to arrange the side bomb bay; although the Russian Su-57 is a double-engine design, because the fuselage is too flat, Russia simply chooses not to set the side bomb bay, but uses the two engines with larger spacing. Features, the entire abdomen space is designed into a bomb bay, the volume is very large, and can be used to mount long-range cruise missiles.

A picture lets you figure out how advanced the 弹-20's side bomb bay is.

Legend: Su-57 is too flat, it is difficult to arrange the side bomb compartment, so only two large bomb bays are set in the abdomen


Only the F-22 and the 歼-20 use a combination of the abdominal main bomb cabin + the side shells on both sides of the fuselage. Among them, the main bomb compartment has a large volume, and is mainly used to mount some large-volume, long-wing ammunition, such as long-range, medium-range air-to-air missiles, precision-guided bombs, anti-radiation missiles or air-launched cruise missiles; The bomb bay has a small volume and is mainly loaded with close-range combat missiles.

This design is very reasonable, because the number of pylons in the main bomb bay is limited. If it is used to mount a fighting missile, it cannot hang a long-range missile or a ground-attack weapon, which will directly affect the fire capacity and load utilization efficiency of the whole machine. Moreover, the size of the door of the main bomb cabin is large, and the opening and closing speed is slow. The launching attitude and angle of attack of the aircraft are more limited, which is not conducive to the aircraft launching a fighting missile in a close combat time. Therefore, designing a side bomb compartment on each side of the fuselage, specifically mounting a fighting bomb can skillfully solve this problem.

歼-20 side bomb cabin is more advanced than F-22

Although both the 歼-20 and F-22 have side bomb bays, the design of the two is different. In contrast, the 歼-20 is more advanced.

From the structural point of view, the door of the F-22 side bomb cabin is a two-piece design, and the internal missile pylon is equipped with a folding mechanism, which is usually folded and stored. When launching, the upper and lower hatches are opened up and down respectively, and then the folding mechanism of the missile pylon is opened, the pylon is extended out of the bomb bay, and the missile is directly launched on the pylon. After the missile is launched, the pylon is retracted and the hatch is closed.

A picture lets you figure out how advanced the 弹-20's side bomb bay is.


Legend: The close-up of the missile pylon in the F-22 side bomb compartment, it can be seen that it is retracted by folding structure

The door of the 歼-20 side bomb bay adopts an upwardly rotating single-piece door, and the internal missile pylon adopts a flip-type design, which can be reversed downward by a hinge-type actuating mechanism. When launching, the bomb door opens upwards, the missile pylon flips down to the outside of the bomb bay, and then the hatch is closed, leaving only the missile and the pylon exposed to form a unique "semi-external" design.

That is to say, when the F-22 is fighting, the side bomb compartment must be kept open, while the 歼-20 can close the hatch and leave the missile outside. Obviously, the practice of 歼-20 has the least damage to stealth and aerodynamic performance, and the missile as a whole protrudes from the fuselage, which is more convenient for the missile seeker to search for the target. The missile can also move away from the carrier faster after launching, which can reduce the high temperature wake pair. The damage of the body stealth coating is more secure and scientific than the design of the F-22.

A picture lets you figure out how advanced the 弹-20's side bomb bay is.

Legend: When the F-22 is fighting, the side bomb compartment must remain open.

From the details of the side bomb cabin, it can be seen that the design of the 歼-20 is very practical in addition to the cutting-edge technology of the tall, and it is this design concept that makes the 歼-20 a leader in the fifth generation.
 

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This is the difference between Winner vs Loser! When you open the zipper! Tua Kee or Soi Kee, when you open Ammo Bay to fire, win or lose, made at the design CAD system! 输赢在这里一打开!

F-22 exposed a BIG CAVITY when opened side ammo bay, all radars will see a very big target! Because interior of ammo bay is impossible to be anti-stealth!
 

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If you look vertically down from above the aircrafts, nose up, tail down. J-20 missiles are aligned straight forward identical with air frame aerodynamically.
Using letters to illustrate missiles.

J-20 missiles are like a line of big letters I : |||||

The F-22 missiles are like: \|||/

The F-34 missiles are like: \\//

When missiles are full and symmetrically loaded (not possible in real wars) that will look like the above. But you will fire away your missiles or smart bombs, meaning your aerodynamic will become: \\.. or ..//

dots .. represents empty position of spent missiles.

And your missiles will cause your plane to fly skewed to one side forcing your rudder and aileron to compensate and your engine suffer extra loading.


There is more than just Stealth Limitation reasons to this. During earlier USAF prototype experiments for stealth jet missiles, - from internal ammo bays, they found a problem that when 1st launched, the missiles got a very risky high chance of slamming against the fuselage of the planes, because the opened up ammo bay is a cavity and is lower air pressure area, the outside have higher air pressure - this got over effect from entire stealth air frame profile limitation also.

I saw videos of these that missiles head slap hard against the fuselage of stealth jets immediately after they ejected from pylon because the strong airflow pushed it that way. The angular mounting of missiles are the designers solution for F-22 to let the air flow push the missile out AWAY from Fuselage to avoid the missile head slapping fuselage.

Chinese designers studied the American problems and solutions, and devised their own solution. If I am not wrong the Chinese missile pylons are like spring loaded to push the missiles outward away from the fuselage, throwing missiles out away from fuselage.

You are so learned in missiles and fighter planes! :cool:
 

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http://www.xinhuanet.com/photo/2018-11/12/c_1123700876.htm

我国“人造太阳”EAST装置实现1亿摄氏度等离子体运行
2018年11月12日 15:43:26 | 来源: 新华网

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这是有“人造太阳”之称的全超导托卡马克大科学装置EAST(8月16日摄)。
记者从中科院合肥物质科学研究院获悉,有“人造太阳”之称的全超导托卡马克大科学装置EAST近期实现1亿摄氏度等离子体运行等多项重大突破,获得的实验参数接近未来聚变堆稳态运行模式所需要的物理条件,朝着未来聚变堆实验运行迈出了关键一步。
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我国“人造太阳”EAST装置实现1亿摄氏度等离子体运行
2018年11月12日 15:43:26 | 来源: 新华网

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这是2018年度EAST物理实验后,科研人员在进行EAST装置内部检查(8月29日摄)。
记者从中科院合肥物质科学研究院获悉,有“人造太阳”之称的全超导托卡马克大科学装置EAST近期实现1亿摄氏度等离子体运行等多项重大突破,获得的实验参数接近未来聚变堆稳态运行模式所需要的物理条件,朝着未来聚变堆实验运行迈出了关键一步。
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我国“人造太阳”EAST装置实现1亿摄氏度等离子体运行
2018年11月12日 15:43:26 | 来源: 新华网

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这是2018年度EAST物理实验后,科研人员在进行EAST装置内部检查(8月29日摄)。
记者从中科院合肥物质科学研究院获悉,有“人造太阳”之称的全超导托卡马克大科学装置EAST近期实现1亿摄氏度等离子体运行等多项重大突破,获得的实验参数接近未来聚变堆稳态运行模式所需要的物理条件,朝着未来聚变堆实验运行迈出了关键一步。
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China's "artificial sun" EAST device achieves 100 million degrees Celsius plasma operation
November 12, 2018 15:43:26 | Source: Xinhuanet




This is the full superconducting Tokamak scientific device EAST (photo taken on August 16th) known as the "artificial sun".
The reporter learned from the Hefei Institute of Material Science of the Chinese Academy of Sciences that there is a major breakthrough in the recent realization of the 100 million-degree Celsius plasma operation of the full-superconducting Tokamak large scientific device EAST, which is known as the "artificial sun". The experimental parameters obtained are close to the future fusion reactor. The physical conditions required for the steady-state operating mode are a critical step toward future fusion reactor experiments.
Xinhua News Agency (photo by Ma Qibing)

China's "artificial sun" EAST device achieves 100 million degrees Celsius plasma operation
November 12, 2018 15:43:26 | Source: Xinhuanet




This is the 2018 EAST physical experiment, the researchers are conducting an internal inspection of the EAST device (photo taken on August 29).
The reporter learned from the Hefei Institute of Material Science of the Chinese Academy of Sciences that there is a major breakthrough in the recent realization of the 100 million-degree Celsius plasma operation of the full-superconducting Tokamak large scientific device EAST, which is known as the "artificial sun". The experimental parameters obtained are close to the future fusion reactor. The physical conditions required for the steady-state operating mode are a critical step toward future fusion reactor experiments.
Xinhua News Agency (photo by Ma Qibing)

China's "artificial sun" EAST device achieves 100 million degrees Celsius plasma operation
November 12, 2018 15:43:26 | Source: Xinhuanet




This is the 2018 EAST physical experiment, the researchers are conducting an internal inspection of the EAST device (photo taken on August 29).
The reporter learned from the Hefei Institute of Material Science of the Chinese Academy of Sciences that there is a major breakthrough in the recent realization of the 100 million-degree Celsius plasma operation of the full-superconducting Tokamak large scientific device EAST, which is known as the "artificial sun". The experimental parameters obtained are close to the future fusion reactor. The physical conditions required for the steady-state operating mode are a critical step toward future fusion reactor experiments.
Xinhua News Agency (photo by Ma Qibing)






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This 1st of mankind to have PURE HYDROGEN FUSION NUKE POWER! No Uranium! No Plutonium! Safe and clean! Because the fuel is just hydrogen which is very light atomic weight and one of the SHORTEST HALF-LIVE Nuclear Fuel (ONLY 23 Seconds), radiation will quickly subside even if spilled. Uranium & Plutonium will remain radio active for century.
 

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This is the true power of nuke = PLASMA, when nuke weapon detonates, it is ultra ultra high energy plasma, anything it hits also instantly turn into plasma, the impact vibrates particles into Cosmic Ray + X-Ray + Visible Light + IR energies, Plasma hits air and air becomes plasma, the air turned plasma hits steel / concrete they will also turn into plasma, hit man also plasma. Only gradually decreased energy level of plasma along propagation path and expanding into a plasma fire ball. Radius of fireball in measured in Kilometers.
 

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The success is about creating the extremely strong physical environmental condition under which hydrogen fusion will begin without the Uranium / Plutonium Fission entirely. And the superconductor produce a strong magnetic field to contain the plasma within. When power plant reactor can get pure hydrogen fusion. They can also make bombs / warheads that can wipe a city clean and immediately occupy it after it cools down - no radiation there already.
 
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