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NSF gets 5 days DB

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NSF gets five days’ detention



Channel NewsAsia - Sunday, July 26

SINGAPORE: A full—time National Serviceman was summarily tried on Friday under the Singapore Armed Forces Act for conduct prejudicial to good discipline. He was sentenced to five days’ detention at the SAF Detention Barracks.

Private Madana Mohan Das, a trainee driver, was charged with misconduct because he did not comply "with his superior’s lawful orders to cut his hair in conformance to SAF’s requirements and for refusal to consume food provided by the SAF", said Colonel Darius Lim, director of public affairs at the Ministry of Defence.

The sentence was backdated to Monday, when Pte Madana was put under close arrest. He has since complied with the requirements and was released from detention on Friday afternoon and returned to his unit.

Before being charged, he was given "ample opportunities" to cut his hair and to eat the food provided by the SAF, and his "repeated acts of misconduct" were "undermining discipline in the SAF", said Col Lim in reply to media queries.

"All SAF servicemen are to abide by SAF rules and regulations on military turnout and bearing, military discipline and lawfully given orders. Pte Madana was treated in the same way as any other SAF serviceman," he said.

"The SAF cannot allow deviations from its rules and regulations for any serviceman as this will weaken military discipline, which could compromise the SAF’s operational effectiveness and the safety of SAF servicemen. Disciplinary action will be taken against any serviceman who refuses to comply with the SAF’s rules and regulations."

TODAY has learnt, though, that during his Basic Military Training in December, Pte Madana’s unit accommodated his requests to keep his tuft of long hair, which he wanted to maintain because he was a Brahmin priest at a temple here. The unit also allowed his request to have home—cooked food to be delivered to him daily.

But these "accommodations were a mistake due to a lapse of judgment by his previous unit", Col Lim told TODAY, and when Pte Madana was posted to the SAF Transport Hub in March, this was explained to him.

His and his father’s appeals were rejected and the NSF was ordered to conform to SAF regulations, which he did not, added Col Lim.

TODAY understands he brought in food from the temple when he booked out on Tuesday and Thursday evenings and on weekends, since he did not consume SAF food.

Singapore Brahmin Association president G Srinivasan told TODAY that Brahmin priests ordinarily eat only food cooked from their temple, "prepared according to tradition and with prayers".

But while he was "a bit" concerned to hear about Pte Madana’s case, he said that if this food is not available, "then food from outside is permissible as long as it is vegetarian from an acceptable source, like a vegetarian restaurant, house or temple".

He also said that while it would have been good if Pte Madana could have kept his hair, known as a sikha, the NSF would have to "follow the rule of the land" if there are no provisions for this.

Asked why exceptions are made for Sikhs serving NS, Col Lim said: "Sikhs serving in the SAF are allowed to wear turbans only because this is a carry—over from the past.

"This is a long—established practice going back decades to colonial times. We cannot allow further exceptions to be made today for other servicemen. Allowing further exceptions would undermine what we have achieved so far to make sure that our rules, regulations and standards are fair to all.

"This will be detrimental to not only the security needs of the nation, but will also weaken the strong national identity that NS forges amongst its servicemen." — TODAY/ra
 

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July 25, 2009
NSman drops protest
Teen punished for disobeying orders despite counselling
By Melissa Sim

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Mr Sundar Gopal Das said he and his son, as Hare Krishna temple priests, had to keep hair at the back of their heads and eat only food cooked at the temple. -- ST PHOTO: ALBERT SIM


A FULL-TIME national serviceman, who objected to having his hair cut and refused to eat camp food, claiming it was against his religious beliefs, was charged and sentenced to five days' detention.

In response to media queries, the Ministry of Defence (Mindef) confirmed that Private Madana Mohan Das, 18, a trainee driver, was tried on Friday for refusing orders to cut his hair according to SAF requirements and eat military food, despite being counselled and given ample opportunity to comply.

The sentence was backdated to Monday, when he was sent to the SAF Detention Barracks for repeated misconduct which undermined discipline in the SAF. He was released from detention on Friday afternoon and returned to his unit, after he complied with orders.

His father, Mr Sundar Gopal Das, described himself and his son as priests at the Sri Krishna Mandir, a Hare Krishna temple in Geylang Lorong 29.

He maintained that as priests, they could not cut all their hair and had to keep a tuft at the back of the head. As for meals, he said they could only eat food prepared at the temple as prayer offerings.

He said his son was initially allowed to keep his hair and have temple food delivered to him, but this was stopped later. While in detention Pte Madana ate only uncut fruit.

Mr Sundar said his son dropped his protest only after he found out that he could face three years in detention.

He said his son became a priest when he was 15 years old, after two years of training here. The temple is a registered society but does not come under the purview of the Hindu Endowment Board, which manages several Hindu temples and organises major Hindu festivals here.

Mr Sundar's views are also not shared by all Hindus. Mr Shriniwas Rai, the Hindu representative of the Inter-Religious Organisation in Singapore, said Hindu priests can eat food prepared outside a temple, as long as it is vegetarian. He added that priests should be trained in India, and not everyone can claim to be a priest.

Mindef said Pte Madana was treated like any other serviceman and all personnel had to follow orders and abide by rules on military turnout and bearing, and discipline. 'The SAF cannot allow deviations from its rules and regulations for any serviceman as this weakens military discipline which could compromise the SAF's operations effectiveness and safety of SAF servicemen.'
 

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>>>Asked why exceptions are made for Sikhs serving NS, Col Lim said: "Sikhs serving in the SAF are allowed to wear turbans only because this is a carry—over from the past.<<<

Last time no NS, why now got NS? Sporns need to serve NS, but why jobs and free scholarships are reserved for FTrash who donch?
 

makapaaa

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>>> The temple is a registered society but does not come under the purview of the Hindu Endowment Board, which manages several Hindu temples and organises major Hindu festivals here.<<<

So what if it does? What is the 154th trying to say? That the temple did not pay the Papayas protection fee?
 

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his keng fu not good enough. he must say he allergic to certain food and get specialist letter, then everything swee swee liao for him.
 

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If he say, I am from Muslim sect XXX, I can only shoot infidels cannot fight against Muslims (e.g. Indons and Melayu), SAF will say ok lah, you excuse everything, go behind relax one corner.

Too bad, this guy Hindu, don't have the world's kidnappers, pirates, suicide bombers and terrorists to support him.

Wonder what SAF would say if it was Muslim........
 

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NSF gets five days’ detention


"The SAF cannot allow deviations from its rules and regulations for any serviceman as this will weaken military discipline, which could compromise the SAF’s operational effectiveness and the safety of SAF servicemen. Disciplinary action will be taken against any serviceman who refuses to comply with the SAF’s rules and regulations."

Fuck SAF lah.

Go and tell this to LHL son ok? You mindef knows what LHL son did when he was doing his National Service. That fucker go and mass email to all over Mindef and to Teo Chee Hean complaining and leaking out confidential information about SAF, and what punishment were given to him?

NOTHING!!! No DB and not even confinement.

Fuck your SAF rules and regulations!!! Fucking Double Standard!!!
 

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U donch anyhow say! I punished my grandson by banishing off from my kingdom on PSC Overseas Scholarship! *chey*
 

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In don't know what BS this is. Unless u are in the field and have to eat rations, u don't have to eat the mess food in camp as far as I know. U can eat in the canteen. U just pay your own money. Anyway, things have becoome more relaxed for the Hare Krishnas. They were not even allowed to set up in S'pore before.
 

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>>>Asked why exceptions are made for Sikhs serving NS, Col Lim said: "Sikhs serving in the SAF are allowed to wear turbans only because this is a carry—over from the past.<<<

Last time no NS, why now got NS? Sporns need to serve NS, but why jobs and free scholarships are reserved for FTrash who donch?


In the past the SAF had Malays in all the senior positions - in fact, 1SIR and 2SIR were predominantly Malay. I guess they are selective about the past!
 

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U donch anyhow say! I punished my grandson by banishing off from my kingdom on PSC Overseas Scholarship! *chey*

this cock indian dunno how to keng..must make it like the AWARE saga get people to stand and protest....one lone hero sure die cock stand against PAP



btw fuck u old man go and DIE!!! :oIo:
 
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