Non serving NS girl think NS should be long

[laogoh]

I recalled my first day in BMT....the section commander made the platoon place 11Bs (old type laminated green ID card) in our shorts. Then made us stand and squat.....more than 20 times. Straight after tekan session, he inspected our 11B.
The standing and squatting caused the 11B to be bent with a line across the laminated card. Then he blasted us for not taking good care of our 11B. I still remember that moron CPL Imran. I happened to be the first guy standing in the line. He looked at me....and insulted my late mother by scolding me in the face kanni na bei chow chee bye fucking mother. I almost punched him in the face in anger. But I swallowed the anger cos' otherwise I would have spent the next 3 months in detention barracks. But I told myself....this is how SAF works. My beloved Singapore wanted me to serve...but insulted my mother in my first day in army. I told myself I will switch off for the rest of my NS days until I ORD. I did the minimum for everything. Siam as much as possible. Prior to that, like my peers, I had aspirations to give my best to become an officer. After that incident, I changed my mind completely. I have never regretted for switching off, cos I realised I'll have a better life if I bor chap.

lucky you din hate all the malay. or there will be a racial war

 

[patrickv]

NS is not only about defending SG

It is also there to plant the seeds of obedience in those peasant offspring so that in future, they will have a natural inclination to bent over to get fucked by a superior being

I wonder how many % of Singaporeans DSTA, ST and MINDEF Hire in total?

20%?

Want a boost in GDP?

Just increase defense spending

Simple trick by Sinkies

CCB ivebert dog,

talk so much cock for fuck. can summarise as 'ivebert sucks pap cock for a living':oIo::oIo:

u faster go under the table and suck your pap masters' cocks, swallow their cum

fuck u.
:oIo::oIo:

 

[karmabear]

I remember distinctly during BMT I told my CSM if war really comes, I am going play dead at the first gunshot. Needless to say, did not go OCS or even make it as a specialist. Managed to get downgraded and had plenty of medical leave totaling at least > 3 months excluding time off for physiotherapy. Even then I hated every single minute of it except with my NS buddies who competed to see who can get more time off. Some even went to remove sweat glands on their armpits because of sweaty palms... These fellows have done relatively well in life due to their native intelligence and creativity.

SAF is a terrible place to send young developing males to because the main lessons you learn is (i) dun be a hero, (ii) avoid arrows, (iii) cover your ass, (iv) tekan your NSF... Over the years I have wondered why is SAF so fucked up or at least how we can improve it. The regulars especially those with no real technical vocations, example those CSM, RSM, captains and majors who are in the farmer category, essentially do jackshit or just wayang to score points. NSFs deployed to fill goody bags for NDP is quite honestly the most insulting thing to ask of a "volunteer" force.... It is a two way thing, I do not respect SAF and SAF does not do anything respectable.

My view is that all/most SAF regulars must see action. Deployed into the UN forces, IRAQ, afganistan, Africa, Papau New Guinea. And these roles must experience combat. Then and only then, do you have a decent army that hav gone the the trial of fire and worthy to be feared and respected. The pay and benefits will significantly be increased on the variable portion that is linked to actual combat assignments. Do away with the entire volunteer force. To expect much from the NSF or reservists, is a lot of mental PCC. Real life examples would be the SAS in australia. They are generally well conditioned and I would not want to get into a one on one situation with them.

 

[sleaguepunter]

can leadership be taught? i really dunno. i had 3 platoon commanders from BMT to MR. The PC in tekong really CMI, cause one of the recruit to be hospitalise yet he was not punish, in fact the whole thing was sweep under the carpet. The PC in NSF had very good fighting abilities but zero man management skill and zero leadership as we the men bully him. The PC in reservist is the best, while sometime can holland in topo, not good in tactic but he wont order us do anything that he wont do himself. he shield us from OC wrath because we chao keng and really integrated with the men in the platoon as he join us in the bunk to tok cock instead of carry OC ball in the coyline office like other PCs. Now that a leader the men will follow in the time of conflict. Too bad, such a leader is rare, as with no ambition, he MR too at the ripe old age of 34yo as he was not slated for KAH.

 

[Papsmearer]

I disagree. We can pay millions to minister and we cannot train good leader?
They need to re-design the training for leadership in army. You do not need to send every ocs cadets but a FEW GOOD MEN to learn from the best and be the trainers if they make the grade.
From the day I stepped into army I was disappointed that 'Leadership by example' stopped at NCO. The officers always excuse themselves on platoon training. They lead when come to makan.

Paying miillions to minister has nothing to do with training good leaders. Singapore, both in civilian and the military have no record of training and developing good leaders. Potentially good leaders are whacked down and made to conform to the norm and be subservient to the PAP or army. Good leaders are viewed as a threat if they are not PAP sanctioned. Do you want to know where all the singapore born good leaders are? They are in the UK, AUtralia, canada, etc. And they aren't coming back.

The cost to set up a SAndhurst clone to train just a couple hundred regular officer cadets is prohibitive. And the quality of this training is suspect, given the army's lack of combat experience and real results in developing leaders. Its much more cost efficient for the SAF to send its regular officer cadets to the real deal at Sandhurst or West Point wherethey can learn from the best of the best. Whether they will be allowed to blossom in singapore after they come back is another question.

 

[Papsmearer]

It's too radical to end NS OCS immediately or end NS as a result. Already people are laughing at how short SG's officer training course is--the minimum is four years in all other countries. Either you built super robots with lasers to defend or you get a reformed defence force.

why is it too radical to end NS?

 

[lianbeng]

lianbeng would like to vote for ladies/girls to serve the nation too. length of service to be advised.

 

[Papsmearer]

NS is not only about defending SG

It is also there to plant the seeds of obedience in those peasant offspring so that in future, they will have a natural inclination to bent over to get fucked by a superior being

I wonder how many % of Singaporeans DSTA, ST and MINDEF Hire in total?

20%?

Want a boost in GDP?

Just increase defense spending

Simple trick by Sinkies

Yes, I agree. NS is a 2 year program to mentally castrate all sinkie males, and turn them into mental eunuchs.

 

[Papsmearer]

lianbeng would like to vote for ladies/girls to serve the nation too. length of service to be advised.

AT the very least, they can be comfort women. Plus they will be needed to do area maintenance, make the bunkbeds, wash the uniform, etc.

 

[lianbeng]

AT the very least, they can be comfort women. Plus they will be needed to do area maintenance, make the bunkbeds, wash the uniform, etc.

"maintenance/housekeeping unit?" lianbeng asks.

 

[Conqueror]

NS Is Actually Slavery For PAP

Yours is the typical singapore bullshit thinking, totally lacking in logical thought and filled with paranoia thoughts that u have swallowed hook line and sinker from the PAP. So, what u are saying is the nations that have no NS do not have a sense of belonging, esprit de corp, etc.? Are u saying Australian, American, Brits, Chinese, etc. lack this? Don't tell them that to their face, or they will whack you. A sense of belonging is created by many factors, and national service might be one, or it might not be. Many of the older generations like my father have never served NS, however, they do have a sense of belonging to singapore for sure. What about women? They have never done NS. Does your mother or sister not have a sense of belonging to singapore? I am sure they do. Also, since all these countries that I mentioned do not have NS, does that mean all their men are actually still boys? See how stupid your statement is now?

I agree with you. Serve ? It depends on how you want to see it. It's still fascism no matter how you see it. It's cheap labour as described by the late Goh Keng Swee. It's a human wall designed by Saddam. It's a mirage created by PAP ?

 

[steffychun]

Re: NS Is Actually Slavery For PAP

My friend's S1s (Manpower officer) were all terrible officers who were S1s because they weren't cut to be PCs. Even worse as S1s--except one of them.

 

[Conqueror]

I remember distinctly during BMT I told my CSM if war really comes, I am going play dead at the first gunshot.

SAF is a terrible place to send young developing males to because the main lessons you learn is (i) dun be a hero, (ii) avoid arrows, (iii) cover your ass, (iv) tekan your NSF... Over the years I have wondered why is SAF so fucked up or at least how we can improve it. The regulars especially those with no real technical vocations, example those CSM, RSM, captains and majors who are in the farmer category, essentially do jackshit or just wayang to score points. NSFs deployed to fill goody bags for NDP is quite honestly the most insulting thing to ask of a "volunteer" force.... It is a two way thing, I do not respect SAF and SAF does not do anything respectable.

My view is that all/most SAF regulars must see action. Deployed into the UN forces, IRAQ, afganistan, Africa, Papau New Guinea. And these roles must experience combat. Then and only then, do you have a decent army that hav gone the the trial of fire and worthy to be feared and respected.

Well said. So far, I'm beginning to see who are the ones who are the real democrats. But, there are some of you who are already brainwashed. Some of you just simply fail to leap out of that encirclement and trapped in that cycle of the PAP's successful propaganda. They have successfully educated or brainwashed you to think that way.

I'm not saying Chee is right about his version of 'removal' of NS. I'm a 兵家 (military thinker) and I will not support let's-be-friends-no-war policy because I'm a person who write my own "Art Of War" and my own "Tanaka Memoir" for another country.

My point is NS is actually MS or Military Service or conscription or drafting. It is a fascist thing. If you want to embrace Freedom + Rights = Democracy then you have to change your stubborn mindset. You must be free from it (fascism).

No SAF does NOT mean no defence.

 

[Conqueror]

Ivebert You're Not Dumb

You all can disagree all you want

But is there a way to build collective disagreement and legal opposition in Singapore

NO

Get real

You can see what I see. I agree. Fake ! Shit ! We have only got 6 out of ...

Liberte ! Liberte ! Cherie !

 

[steffychun]

Well said. So far, I'm beginning to see who are the ones who are the real democrats. But, there are some of you who are already brainwashed. Some of you just simply fail to leap out of that encirclement and trapped in that cycle of the PAP's successful propaganda. They have successfully educated or brainwashed you to think that way.

I'm not saying Chee is right about his version of 'removal' of NS. I'm a 兵家 (military thinker) and I will not support let's-be-friends-no-war policy because I'm a person who write my own "Art Of War" and my own "Tanaka Memoir" for another country.

My point is NS is actually MS or Military Service or conscription or drafting. It is a fascist thing. If you want to embrace Freedom + Rights = Democracy then you have to change your stubborn mindset. You must be free from it (fascism).

No SAF does NOT mean no defence.

Chee lives in a fairytale world. Cut defence by making friendly relations? Which nation of earth has friendly relations?

 

[Sperminator]

Chee lives in a fairytale world. Cut defence by making friendly relations? Which nation of earth has friendly relations?

My view stands... for Singapore to remain independent... SAF is necessary. We must have a deterrent force, that have the abilities to inflict collateral damage to the aggressor...

 

[steffychun]

My view stands... for Singapore to remain independent... SAF is necessary. We must have a deterrent force, that have the abilities to inflict collateral damage to the aggressor...

Yes but how big

See my earlier post on a better defence policy

http://www.sammyboy.com/showthread....h-through-parliament&highlight=defence+policy