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Non serving NS girl think NS should be long

wrcboi

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How about OCS? Already we have the shortest OCS course amongst all countries.

ocs and sispec positions should be for full timers..people who wan to serve full time in the military

those NSF that qualify for sispec or ocs and wish to serve longer....can serve 15 mths and 18/20 mths(the extra ocs serving time) respectively..they will be compensated by higher remuneration...
 
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steffychun

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ocs and sispec positions should be for full timers..people who wan to serve full time in the military

those NSF that qualify for sispec or ocs and wish to serve longer....can serve 15 mths and 18/20 mths(the extra ocs serving time) respectively..they will be compensated by higher remuneration...

will people be enticed to join?
 

Cruxx

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I remembered the 'good old days', we were all dressed up in number 4 to book out around 8am, when we were finally allowed to book out, it was almost 6pm. That is classic efficiency . I hope current army leaders are more efficient.

Classic Singaporean efficiency, if I may add. As I've argued ad nauseam, the Singapore "success story" is a myth. We usually do not regard a high class escort as a successful person, so why should Singapore's economic prostitution be any different? :rolleyes:
 

Sperminator

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How about OCS? Already we have the shortest OCS course amongst all countries.

No need OCS lah, so, all NS men just serve to maximum Specialist Level, which equates to only 13 year cycles.

For those who want to go to OCS, perhaps they can consider Military Universities, whereby it is a 3 year course, and these course perhaps could have Faculties of Engineering (Mechanical, Electronics, Communications, Applied Science, Aerospace) , Philosophy, Metaphysics, Politics, Management, Leadership, etc.

Singapore's OCS can be converted into a 黄埔军校, Sandhurst, or Westpoint of Singapore.

During that 3 years course, these Cadets, could have their Tri-service Term in the first year, the Service Term in the 2nd year, and the Professional Term in the 3rd year, like in any university.

And their degrees are accredited in local universities like NTU or NUS.

So, only matured, educated graduates of OCS can be deployed as officers in units for period of 1 year maximum (to match the newly PASSED OUT PARADE BMT Private / Private First Class) So that the Officers & Men can ORD together, forming a espirit de corp.

For people who want to become officers, they have to be selected from BMT. Making officer's service to be 3 Months BMT + 3 years OCS + 1 year National Service = 4 Years and 3 Months.

As for people who serve as men from ranks of SGT to Private, their total service term is 1 Year and 3 Months. If they choose to go for University, they will see their friends who are from OCS in the timezone when they graduate. If their university course is 3 years.

Those who go to OCS will have their education sponsored by the military, motivating all NS men to do their best to get into OCS, forming up a committed, and credible NS men. For those who do not want to give their best, they have to pay the price of university fees.

This is something I've thought about over the years, as it is true that Singapore's OCS is too short to train up any credible Officers... just look at our Ex-Chief of Staff as MP... a classic Hokkien Peng.

The advantage is that, with OCS that gives accredited degrees, the Officers are always at least 3 years older than their men, and they are equipped with Leadership, Management & Organization Skills, Expert in Weaponry, Command and Control, Vehicles etc, they can be the trainer of their own Platoon, and they can select their own SGT to build up a Espirit De Corp. After their 1 year National Service, they can work in any Private Sector with their Accredited Degrees.
 

steffychun

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No need OCS lah, so, all NS men just serve to maximum Specialist Level, which equates to only 13 year cycles.

For those who want to go to OCS, perhaps they can consider Military Universities, whereby it is a 3 year course, and these course perhaps could have Faculties of Engineering (Mechanical, Electronics, Communications, Applied Science, Aerospace) , Philosophy, Metaphysics, Politics, Management, Leadership, etc.

Singapore's OCS can be converted into a 黄埔军校, Sandhurst, or Westpoint of Singapore.

During that 3 years course, these Cadets, could have their Tri-service Term in the first year, the Service Term in the 2nd year, and the Professional Term in the 3rd year, like in any university.

And their degrees are accredited in local universities like NTU or NUS.

So, only matured, educated graduates of OCS can be deployed as officers in units for period of 1 year maximum (to match the newly PASSED OUT PARADE BMT Private / Private First Class) So that the Officers & Men can ORD together, forming a espirit de corp.

For people who want to become officers, they have to be selected from BMT. Making officer's service to be 3 Months BMT + 3 years OCS + 1 year National Service = 4 Years and 3 Months.

As for people who serve as men from ranks of SGT to Private, their total service term is 1 Year and 3 Months. If they choose to go for University, they will see their friends who are from OCS in the timezone when they graduate. If their university course is 3 years.

Those who go to OCS will have their education sponsored by the military, motivating all NS men to do their best to get into OCS, forming up a committed, and credible NS men. For those who do not want to give their best, they have to pay the price of university fees.

This is something I've thought about over the years, as it is true that Singapore's OCS is too short to train up any credible Officers... just look at our Ex-Chief of Staff as MP... a classic Hokkien Peng.

The advantage is that, with OCS that gives accredited degrees, the Officers are always at least 3 years older than their men, and they are equipped with Leadership, Management & Organization Skills, Expert in Weaponry, Command and Control, Vehicles etc, they can be the trainer of their own Platoon, and they can select their own SGT to build up a Espirit De Corp. After their 1 year National Service, they can work in any Private Sector with their Accredited Degrees.

Nice alternative plan.
 

Sperminator

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sperm,
were u in 2pdf?

i rmbr that term i used always on my platoon

saf=serve n fuckoff!!!

I am now in the KIV list, not deployable, because overseas for too long... I couldn't find a job in Singapore, and I have searched for career opportunities overseas like many Singaporeans I've met overseas.

SAF = SERVE & FUCK OFF... I got so disappointed in OCS, when there are so many INDIAN CHIEF... and besides, back in NS days, there are so many White Horse in my cohort. There is injustice in the system of Singapore.
 

steffychun

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I am now in the KIV list, not deployable, because overseas for too long... I couldn't find a job in Singapore, and I have searched for career opportunities overseas like many Singaporeans I've met overseas.

SAF = SERVE & FUCK OFF... I got so disappointed in OCS, when there are so many INDIAN CHIEF... and besides, back in NS days, there are so many White Horse in my cohort. There is injustice in the system of Singapore.

Well now there is a real Indian Chief--BG R Singh.
 

Sperminator

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Well now there is a real Indian Chief--BG R Singh.

We have to question our SAF promotion system. The SAF apparently seems to be linked together with the PAP party. How fair can this system be?

How come politics is linked with Singapore Armed Forces?

This is the Question I'll like to Challenge the PAP.

And we all get to see BG after BG that have a smooth promotion through the ranks, and then being deployed to PAP. Is this right?

Singapore is a democratic society, but from the way I see it, we are no different from Military Dictatorship, that of Myanmar / Burma or even Libya. (At least for Libya, Gadaffi didn't promote himself to one star general, he only keep his rank at Colonel)
 

steffychun

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We have to question our SAF promotion system. The SAF apparently seems to be linked together with the PAP party. How fair can this system be?

How come politics is linked with Singapore Armed Forces?

This is the Question I'll like to Challenge the PAP.

And we all get to see BG after BG that have a smooth promotion through the ranks, and then being deployed to PAP. Is this right?

Singapore is a democratic society, but from the way I see it, we are no different from Military Dictatorship, that of Myanmar / Burma or even Libya. (At least for Libya, Gadaffi didn't promote himself to one star general, he only keep his rank at Colonel)

Cause Gadaffi doesnt have a SAF scholarship
 

Cruxx

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Equality of sexes . :biggrin: :p

Doesn't matter if it's in Singapore or Europe. I see a hypocrite when I see an egalitarian. Unless your sexuality is as fluid as Ho Jinx, I firmly believe that women and men are never equal. And rightly so, if I may add.
 

Conqueror

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NS Is Actually MS

Anyone who has served National Slavery will be able to attest to the inordinate amount of waste and inefficiency in the SAF. What the army needs isn't budget increases or service extension but something more intangible: motivation. And you won't get motivation out of a coerced conscription force where malingering and wayanging pervade. :rolleyes:



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NS is actually MS or Military Service ! I'm an advocate to abolish such fascist thing for many years. SDP is also echoing the same thing. We should steer our mindset first to free ourselves from fascism as an act of repentance, so that we can fully embrace DEMOCRACY.
 

steffychun

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Re: NS Is Actually MS

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NS is actually MS or Military Service ! I'm an advocate to abolish such fascist thing for many years. SDP is also echoing the same thing. We should steer our mindset first to free ourselves from fascism as an act of repentance, so that we can fully embrace DEMOCRACY.

Not immediately. How can you maintain a defence force then? I don't believe in SDP's fairytale land that good relations can be established with all other countries and thus cut back on defence. Which country in the world is on good relations wth all the 190 plus others? Alter defence yes, cut and do away, NO!
 

Cruxx

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Re: NS Is Actually MS

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NS is actually MS or Military Service ! I'm an advocate to abolish such fascist thing for many years. SDP is also echoing the same thing. We should steer our mindset first to free ourselves from fascism as an act of repentance, so that we can fully embrace DEMOCRACY.

I beg to differ though. I'm not only anti-fascism, I'm also anti-democracy. I've little time for all collectivist ideologies. But that's just me :smile:
 

Cruxx

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Re: NS Is Actually MS

Not immediately. How can you maintain a defence force then? I don't believe in SDP's fairytale land that good relations can be established with all other countries and thus cut back on defence. Which country in the world is on good relations wth all the 190 plus others? Alter defence yes, cut and do away, NO!

SDP live in a world of their own, as all leftists do.
 

vamjok

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I remembered the 'good old days', we were all dressed up in number 4 to book out around 8am, when we were finally allowed to book out, it was almost 6pm. That is classic efficiency . I hope current army leaders are more efficient.

my times about 10 years back already not so jia lat already. at most wait 1 to 2 hours
 

Sperminator

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National Service is a must, it cannot be eliminated, nor subcontracted. The essence of sense of belonging, espirit de corp is formed in National Service. These are the crucial time where boys were made into men.

Take a look at Israel, small but packed with a punch, no aggressor wants to do anything funny, and the Israel policy is, an eye for and eye... exactly the same as Henry Kissinger's policies of Equal Collateral Damage. (Jews)

If you don't sustain a credible armed forces to defend the nation, we'll end up like Kuwait. We must have the abilities to give Collateral Damage if harm comes our way.

We just need to have a credible, deterrent force, and aggressors will have to think twice about their intentions.
 

wuqi256

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I have never think any girl worthy to be cursed, not even HC for losing billions.

This one though, really needs to be cursed. SAF, i will gladly go and serve SAF100 to this XXXXXX XXXXX XXXXX of a woman.

I hope that SAF restrospectively take all these women under 30 (most of them saying their pregnancy is doing NS yet how many are pregnant???) and dump them into a 3 tonner and send them all to Tekong.
 
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