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New water comes from recycling ALL water not just pee pee plus evaporated water is returned as rainfall to fill up the reservours.
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No need to renew water deal with Mudland next year!
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New water comes from recycling ALL water not just pee pee plus evaporated water is returned as rainfall to fill up the reservours.
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Well it would be nice if he and you guys can go swim in it.
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The making of New Water...
May be by drinking NEW Water, we will be more obedient citizens.
That's your dinner and also your accompanying beverage. Enjoy your meal.
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all it takes is a long drought or an oil spill in the eastern waters and guess what....
we will crawl back to malaysia begging them to restore water supply. then our neighbour will sit back stroking their chin and make us trade woodlands and yishun if we want to bathe.
with our population, our lifestyle, our geography, our economy, hard to see how we can be self-sufficient in water resources.
we will crawl back to malaysia begging them to restore water supply. then our neighbour will sit back stroking their chin and make us trade woodlands and yishun if we want to bathe.
with our population, our lifestyle, our geography, our economy, hard to see how we can be self-sufficient in water resources.
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Our ministers now think that they solve the water problem. With technology meaning more cost for filter water. In the end they will pass the cost to consumer as usual. What is the cost for filter 1000gallon of water???? Anyone know?
Next year 1st Malaysia-Singapore water deal will expired and water will reduce about 25% flow from Johore Malaysia.
Will that 25% make a big different? Now minister said that we don't need to renew 1st water deal when expired. That have make Malaysia angry think they need the money to sell the water to Singapore at 3 cent/1000gallon( 3800 litre).
If after the water shortage and ministers ask for Malaysia to sell the water, I'm sure that Matland will ask for at least SG$3/1000gallon.
Next year 1st Malaysia-Singapore water deal will expired and water will reduce about 25% flow from Johore Malaysia.
Will that 25% make a big different? Now minister said that we don't need to renew 1st water deal when expired. That have make Malaysia angry think they need the money to sell the water to Singapore at 3 cent/1000gallon( 3800 litre).
If after the water shortage and ministers ask for Malaysia to sell the water, I'm sure that Matland will ask for at least SG$3/1000gallon.
It would be a mistake not to renew the water agreement. It is better to buy water at fair price rather than have one source closed altogether. The one who decides to not renew; can he or how will he be accountable to all if ever his decision turns out to be a bad one.
The decision to not renew is already a bad one...
The decision to not renew is already a bad one...
France is a large country and should there be a nuclear accident, they can if needed evacuate a 50 mile radius and life goes on. Try doing a 50 mile radius in Singapore - no more SIngapore right? The nearest nuclear plant is about 120km from Paris. Now if are able to build a plant 100km away from Singapore then it is worth considering. But to build it on the Southern Islands....
As far as the water supply is concerned, a deal with Malaysia will NOT mean more expensive water that RO water. We could easily negotiation a fair market value for water with adjustment for inflation (both side wins).
Current contract written many years back) fixes the price of water 50 years into to the future the price will seem stupid and Malaysian will feel taken advantage off. So we mut draft coontracts that is fair on both sides or else contract will not last.
Right now, our price of water is dependent on energy prices since a large part of RO is energy.
As far as the water supply is concerned, a deal with Malaysia will NOT mean more expensive water that RO water. We could easily negotiation a fair market value for water with adjustment for inflation (both side wins).
Current contract written many years back) fixes the price of water 50 years into to the future the price will seem stupid and Malaysian will feel taken advantage off. So we mut draft coontracts that is fair on both sides or else contract will not last.
Right now, our price of water is dependent on energy prices since a large part of RO is energy.
I dont care! As long as I dont lose face to Mahatair!
My face is very important one you know ah??? If you Sinkies have no water to drink and die of thirst, I dont really care ah.
As long as I dont lose my face, you Sinkies dies your own business ah!!!
You know, as long as we pay fair market price, that is fine. I think Malaysia just do not want to feel taken advantaged off. 3 sen /1000 gal is ridiculous. OK contract say that but contract was probably written during colonial days. I think China sell water to HK for a much hgher price.
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There is ways to do nuclear energy for S'pore, even safe ways, but the govt. is too stupid to figure it out. We can evacuate a 50km radius if we have to. No problem there. We can't build a nuclear power plant 100 km away. We don't own those islands and the Indons and Malaysians will never allow it to be build on their territory.
With regards to the water, the daily usage rate for Singapore is roughly 800 million gallons, yes, gallons, not litres. Its roughly 3.6 billion litres of water usage a day. The last I heard is that the Newater plants are producing only 15 million gallons of water a day. Even if the desalination plants come on board fully, I don't see how they can make up the loss if we do not go to Malaysian water. S'pore's reservoirs produce about 400 million gallons a day, so, you still have to find 300 million gallons from somewhere once 2061 comes along. I will be long dead by than, but I think this is a number unattainable by internal means. The PAP is just waiting for a less obstinate and anti-s'pore govt. to take over in MAlaysia and re-open the water negotiations at a more favourable terms. But hard to find one when S'pore govt. treat malaysians with such arrogance and superiority.
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In the words of the famous dictator "This nation was founded on Trial & Error, we try & you pay for our error, we keep trying & you keep paying for our errors"
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PAP want face but think they can play the game with Malaysia for another 50 year for the 2nd water deal expired.
Now currently Malaysia supplier 50% of the water use in Singapore. With 1st contract end that about 1/4 of the total water supply meaning water about 12.5% water supply gone.
So Singapore/PAP still can play with it with new water and sea water but with a price to save the face but who pay the price in the end consumer water bill will up for sure.
After 50 year when 2nd water deal expired and on average every 10 year if we have sudden dry season for 2 month. I guess Sinkie will have to pay 50 times for water on current rate.
Now currently Malaysia supplier 50% of the water use in Singapore. With 1st contract end that about 1/4 of the total water supply meaning water about 12.5% water supply gone.
So Singapore/PAP still can play with it with new water and sea water but with a price to save the face but who pay the price in the end consumer water bill will up for sure.
After 50 year when 2nd water deal expired and on average every 10 year if we have sudden dry season for 2 month. I guess Sinkie will have to pay 50 times for water on current rate.
*figures may not be accurate. cant remember accurately.* i tot singapore buy at 3sen from malaysia, then spend lots of money to treat the water then sell to them at a few sens, but msia sell the treated water to msians at 10+ sens? like tat if we stop buying water from them and stop selling them super cheap treated water(some people say that at a loss), arent we saving tons of money???
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aiyah! lky got no worries about fresh water! anyone know there is a reservoir at the peak of pearls hill??? i think its for him only!!! that reservoir looks like a swimming pool and its guarded by cisco armed guard. its all fenced up and with cctv everywhere.
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No, we are not "saving tons of money". To the contrary, it could bankrupt us. We currently buy water from Malaysia for 3 sen per 1000 gallons, purify it, and sell back a portion to them at 50 sen per thousand gallon. I can tell you that even selling it 50 sens per 1000 gallons, we are already making money from this. The cost of the pumping stations in the Johor side, the water pipes, the filtration plant (which uses mainly sand for the process) have all be depreciated over the many years that it has been in use. So, the cost per 1000 gallons to us is relatively speaking cheap.
To build a Newater facility, and desalination plants would cost billions of dollars. we have to reclaim land for the desalination plants, also we need land for the Newater plants. This land could be put to better use. Right now, only the filtration plant is located in S'pore, the pumping stations, pipelines, and the river that supplies our water are all located in Johor. After having set aside expensive land, we still need to build the Newater plant at a cost of hundreds of million dollars. The high level of power needed to run these plants cost money, whether u are running it on electricity, gas, or coal.These energy costs continue to go up in time. In the end, 1000 gallons of Newater could cost us $100 to make. So, how do we "save tons of money?"? There are other threads on the more exact cost to produce newater, I suggest u look it up.
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