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No Minimum Wage ; No Need Poverty Line – Huat Ah Sinkies always above both lines ah

Re: No Minimum Wage ; No Need Poverty Line – Huat Ah Sinkies always above both lines

What enforcement? I made a statutory declaration that was absolutely true at the time that I made it.

encumber the welfare payments with more red tape. stat declaration every quarter. there will be more demand for notaries. impose canning for welfare cheats. cheat 3 times, we hang you. there will be no cheats.
 
Re: No Minimum Wage ; No Need Poverty Line – Huat Ah Sinkies always above both lines

There are no poor in Singapore. There are those who may not be earning much money but they can hardly be classified as poor as they have all the basic comforts of life... food, water, clothing and shelter of some sort.

Many of the so called poor have TVs and own mobile phones too.

we can define our poverty line based on a basket of goods instead of a fixed figure. was this considered or dismissed too?
 
Re: No Minimum Wage ; No Need Poverty Line – Huat Ah Sinkies always above both lines

He has a bed, a roof over his head and food to eat. What more do these people expect?.... gold plated taps?

self-actualization. hard as it is when you're rich, being poor makes the road so much harder and they need more help.
 
Re: No Minimum Wage ; No Need Poverty Line – Huat Ah Sinkies always above both lines

There are no poor in Singapore. There are those who may not be earning much money but they can hardly be classified as poor as they have all the basic comforts of life... food, water, clothing and shelter of some sort.

Many of the so called poor have TVs and own mobile phones too.

US$11,490 is the poverty level for USA household with one member. Spore cleaners etc earning around S$1k all fall under this level. So how can there be no poor in Spore?

http://www.familiesusa.org/resources/tools-for-advocates/guides/federal-poverty-guidelines.html
 
Re: No Minimum Wage ; No Need Poverty Line – Huat Ah Sinkies always above both lines

i've come to realize an arbitrary number demarcating poverty is useless. we should consider instead a basket of goods and services.

US$11,490 is the poverty level for USA household with one member. Spore cleaners etc earning around S$1k all fall under this level. So how can there be no poor in Spore?

http://www.familiesusa.org/resources/tools-for-advocates/guides/federal-poverty-guidelines.html
 
Kee Chiu's shallow defence of not defining poverty line is disgustiing

They famously repeated as convenient what you can't measure, you can't manage. Guess they don't want to manage poverty. It would be callous but sometime one wonders if the government would not privately wish the poor would die off quickly and cheaply because dedicating resources to them is like wasting money since there is no hard returns. I think their attitude is like the American Republican Party. If you are poor it is because you are lazy and may be stupid as well. If we have too many of them then the average IQ and competitiveness of our society goes down. Familiar LKY's logic but only he has the candor to tell it to our face and the unfortunate stubborn as mule attitude when the science lacks the conviction of the physical laws. We paid heavily for his prejudice.

We will continue to help the poor in our own ways but we must also always keep up the pressure on the government on such matters. Inclusiveness is a convenient and political slogan. If ever we stopped watching they will also stop including the weakest and poorest among us. That is why social media is so useful.

It is not true helping the poor has no returns. It is about being and staying human and giving ourselves a future. Its value cannot be quantified but is more quantifiable than the returns from the Youth Olympics and the F1. This government has its values in the wrong place. They are all invested in economics and engineering but impoverished in anthropology and I haven't even begin to talk about spirituality and investing in our souls. LKY thinks we don't have one. When you die, that is the end. I don't now what LHL thinks. Anybody cares to ask him?

- http://blogging4myself.blogspot.sg/2013/10/chan-chun-sing-no-to-poverty-line.html
 
Re: Kee Chiu's shallow defence of not defining poverty line is disgustiing

Kee Chiu the pappy dog is always shallow.... from day one. How the hell he became president's scholar and what else is a mystery
 
Re: Kee Chiu's shallow defence of not defining poverty line is disgustiing

When these guy was the top in the SAF, he should have said, "that the SAF top brass are important and need to be protected by the other ranks who can be easily replaced".

Some animals are more equal then others.
 
Re: No Minimum Wage ; No Need Poverty Line – Huat Ah Sinkies always above both lines

US$11,490 is the poverty level for USA household with one member. Spore cleaners etc earning around S$1k all fall under this level. So how can there be no poor in Spore?

The definition of poverty in the USA is a joke too. Just look at the fat lumps of shit that claim to be "poor". They could live on their fat reserves for 6 months. Look around the room... microwave ovens, two refrigerators one with an ice maker. If this is "poor", then the moon is made of green cheese.

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/201...in-danger-of-falling-into-poverty-joblessness

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Real poverty looks like this :

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Re: No Minimum Wage ; No Need Poverty Line – Huat Ah Sinkies always above both lines

Hahahahahaha good one boss I laugh until peng

The definition of poverty in the USA is a joke too. Just look at the fat lumps of shit that claim to be "poor". They could live on their fat reserves for 6 months. Look around the room... microwave ovens, two refrigerators one with an ice maker. If this is "poor", then the moon is made of green cheese.

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/201...in-danger-of-falling-into-poverty-joblessness

130728-poverty-hmed-7p.photoblog600.jpg
 
Re: No Minimum Wage ; No Need Poverty Line – Huat Ah Sinkies always above both lines

The definition of poverty in the USA is a joke too. Just look at the fat lumps of shit that claim to be "poor". They could live on their fat reserves for 6 months. Look around the room... microwave ovens, two refrigerators one with an ice maker. If this is "poor", then the moon is made of green cheese.

hi Sam, how about manslow's self-actualization for the poor? the fact is, the poor will vote for the most popular government.
 
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Kee Chiu the pappy dog is always shallow.... from day one. How the hell he became president's scholar and what else is a mystery

It would be very good for Sinkieland to have Kee Chiu as the next Prime Ministar......
 
Re: Kee Chiu's shallow defence of not defining poverty line is disgustiing

Any parallels between Fragrant Harbour and Peesai on this front?
Me thinks Sinkieland’s Gahbrament are just as if not more guilty
What’s worst is that Peesai’s Gahbrament is world’s most overpaid
Cos daft Sinkies bought into silly notion that Lightning is altruistic
Can foresee and pre-empt all sorts of problems and world’s bestest
But the truth is that Lightning does not live up to its promises
And Mister Ngiam, if Goodstadt did not back down
Why should you, bloody ball-less useless Sinkie


Bad government policy worsens poverty, says ex-adviser Goodstadt

New poverty has emerged in Hong Kong thanks to a decade and a half of bad government policies, says a former head of the Central Policy Unit.

Leo Goodstadt, head of the government's main advisory think tank from 1989 until 1997, said in a recent interview with the Post: "Hong Kong's poverty today is not caused by economic crises. Our economy [for the past 15 years] has been more robust than ever.

"Today's poverty is due to misuse of the city's prosperity and policies which favour businesses and the rich but are terrible for the poor."

In his new book Poverty in the Midst of Affluence, Goodstadt is critical of government administrations - from colonial to current times - for squandering the city's riches.

The book's publication is timely. The city will today set its first official poverty line - set at half the median household income. It is expected to show that 1.3 million people are living in poverty.

Goodstadt said the administration of the first chief executive, Tung Chee-hwa, was overwhelmed by the post-1997 political situation. As for his successor, Donald Tsang Yam-kuen, Goodstadt said: "Donald Tsang hates poor people."

He said a major problem was that the government had been structured since 1997 to run like a business, with close ties and an obvious leaning to the private sector. The current chief executive, Leung Chun-ying, had demonstrated little willingness to challenge these issues, he said.

"Unfortunately, the government is not a business. It should not be making decisions based on economic gain."

Goodstadt's book argues that Hong Kong escaped from poverty by the 1960s, but poverty had reappeared today "unexpectedly in one of the world's most stable and prosperous cities, and was allowed to intensify in the years that followed".

The mentality that "no one deserved welfare" and a fear that welfare would drain the state dry had driven government welfare policies since the colonial era, Goodstadt said.

While most advanced countries had in place by the 1950s five basic welfare programmes - workers' compensation, sickness and maternity benefits, old-age, invalidity and death support, family allowances and unemployment insurance - Hong Kong today only has workers' compensation and a retirement fund that started in 2000.

Hong Kong's new poor are not just categorised by low incomes, he writes, but are deprived in terms of housing, health, educational and welfare needs.

"Welfare has never been high on the political agenda," said Goodstadt, commenting on the government's reluctance to push long-term welfare policies.

Hong Kong's social security system is underdeveloped, he said, with Comprehensive Social Security Assistance - the catch-all net for the poor - being grossly inadequate and its recipients plagued with the stigma of being lazy and unworthy.

Another major issue was housing, with Goodstadt saying Hong Kong had inherited a "squatter heritage". In 2003, the government abandoned supplying new public housing under the Home Ownership Scheme.

By 2011, the annual supply of public housing output had shrunk to 17 per cent of the 2000 level. Prices in the private sector soared by 55 per cent between 2000 and 2011, while monthly household incomes remained below 1997 levels.

http://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/...icy-worsens-poverty-says-ex-adviser-goodstadt
 
Re: Kee Chiu's shallow defence of not defining poverty line is disgustiing

and its recipients plagued with the stigma of being lazy and unworthy.

That's not a "stigma" it's the cold hard TRUTH.
 
Re: Kee Chiu's shallow defence of not defining poverty line is disgustiing

That's not a "stigma" it's the cold hard TRUTH.

Please lah, that sentence is not the end all and be all of the article.

How about focusing on other things that the article said such as:

Bad government policy worsens poverty, says ex-adviser Goodstadt

... ... ...

Goodstadt said the administration of the first chief executive, Tung Chee-hwa, was overwhelmed by the post-1997 political situation. As for his successor, Donald Tsang Yam-kuen, Goodstadt said: "Donald Tsang hates poor people."

He said a major problem was that the government had been structured since 1997 to run like a business, with close ties and an obvious leaning to the private sector. The current chief executive, Leung Chun-ying, had demonstrated little willingness to challenge these issues, he said.

"Unfortunately, the government is not a business. It should not be making decisions based on economic gain."


Goodstadt's book argues that Hong Kong escaped from poverty by the 1960s, but poverty had reappeared today "unexpectedly in one of the world's most stable and prosperous cities, and was allowed to intensify in the years that followed".

... ... ...

http://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/...icy-worsens-poverty-says-ex-adviser-goodstadt
 
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Re: Kee Chiu's shallow defence of not defining poverty line is disgustiing

they are trying to correct it. the system needs time to run its course.

Please lah, that sentence is not the end all and be all of the article.

How about focusing on other things that the article said such as:
 
Re: No Minimum Wage ; No Need Poverty Line – Huat Ah Sinkies always above both lines

The definition of poverty in the USA is a joke too. Just look at the fat lumps of shit that claim to be "poor". They could live on their fat reserves for 6 months. Look around the room... microwave ovens, two refrigerators one with an ice maker. If this is "poor", then the moon is made of green cheese.

Wow never own such a fridge before with ice maker haha but I think in USA maybe quite common since they drink cold water all the time. The two photos like two extremes of poverty, unfortunately Spore poverty is not like USA but more like the Africa one.

See this tragic case that just happened in Oct 13:

Elderly couple slept on void deck for 3 days to eat free food provided by temple, the 81 year old wife was caught in rain, fainted and died in hospital. The 85 year old husband is blinded in right eye while the 81 year old wife had muscle atrophy. So they are poor, old and sicked..

http://forum.omy.sg/showthread.php?t=14753
 
Re: No Minimum Wage ; No Need Poverty Line – Huat Ah Sinkies always above both lines

this tragic case cuts like a knife through sam's argument. it is good that more cases of real poverty in singapore are highlighted. it helps us to understand where to draw the line in the sand when the eventuality comes.

Wow never own such a fridge before with ice maker haha but I think in USA maybe quite common since they drink cold water all the time. The two photos like two extremes of poverty, unfortunately Spore poverty is not like USA but more like the Africa one.

See this tragic case that just happened in Oct 13:

Elderly couple slept on void deck for 3 days to eat free food provided by temple, the 81 year old wife was caught in rain, fainted and died in hospital. The 85 year old husband is blinded in right eye while the 81 year old wife had muscle atrophy. So they are poor, old and sicked..

http://forum.omy.sg/showthread.php?t=14753
 
Re: No Minimum Wage ; No Need Poverty Line – Huat Ah Sinkies always above both lines

Elderly couple slept on void deck for 3 days to eat free food provided by temple, the 81 year old wife was caught in rain, fainted and died in hospital. The 85 year old husband is blinded in right eye while the 81 year old wife had muscle atrophy. So they are poor, old and sicked..

http://forum.omy.sg/showthread.php?t=14753


That's not poverty you twit. That's old age. You can be a multi millionaire but when you get to your 80s, the grim reaper is always just round the corner.
 
Re: No Minimum Wage ; No Need Poverty Line – Huat Ah Sinkies always above both lines

That's not poverty you twit. That's old age. You can be a multi billionaire and own a whole country but when you get to your 80s, the grim reaper is always just round the corner.

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