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I just got word paragon residence psf is 700 psf, not 791 psf.

Paragon residence also GOOD BUY?

CAN RENT OUT?

I getting 764 sq ft two bedded for paragon residence. OK to go for it?

Bro, macham stock market siah! You seem to be in a rush.

Think carefully. More importantly, make sure your cash flow can support your loan repayments in the coming years.
 

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Bro, macham stock market siah! You seem to be in a rush.

Think carefully. More importantly, make sure your cash flow can support your loan repayments in the coming years.


Agree with bro FT, buying property is big decision so don't rush into it and regret it later on..both development to me is over priced..anyway happy investing
 

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Bros, i have received some critical information about Tropez over the weekend, strong red flags for it. PM me for more information.
Meantime Azea has already reached 1100 psf.
 

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Agree with bro FT, buying property is big decision so don't rush into it and regret it later on..both development to me is over priced..anyway happy investing

Yes totally agreed. No rush, it's not buying grocery, it's a long term thing. Think of it, when the unit will be done. If u want to move to MY , u have to wait until 3 or 4 years later, unless u have a unit in MY already! If u can be so patient for few years why now so rush have to pay ? Go and recce the place yr self. Look for other alternatives, later u see another property much cheaper and bigger than u really regret. For some of us here, we already staying here so we already know where is better and where is cheaper!

Nusa Duta is good buy also. Many bros stay there, u got kaki also! Or u want Perling heights which is cheap and good.... I got 1 unit there..:p Come to MY and explore yr self!

If u got plenty to spare, try looking into Taman Laguna, it's Hugh space for living... 1 unit is good already! Semi D 80 x 100 cost 1.3m only! It's a big regret for me not getting that one!
 
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Re: Sorry need quick reply. So posting here..Paragon Residences Vs Sky Suites MB Land

I just got word paragon residence psf is 700 psf, not 791 psf.

Paragon residence also GOOD BUY?

CAN RENT OUT?

I getting 764 sq ft two bedded for paragon residence. OK to go for it?

You are like betting on Big/Small in casino. And have no idea what will open next.

If you are buying for own stay, then why move from one pigeon hole to another pigeon hole.

If for rental, local won't be staying in such place for sure. Waiting to rent to those single expat in JB? (think that's your only target.....)

My advise to you is never ask in forum to make decision for you, cos i believe none of forumer here has went thru the full properties cycle in JB, and seldom ppl mention about those down swing in the 90s, most will paint a bright outlook to you, cos it's the up trend now.
 

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If you want to buy Skysuite, I would rather you buy V@Summerplace.
Unless, you are looking for high floor seaview unit in Skysuite otherwise I think V@Summerplace is better. Those units facing CIQ are quite value for $$.
Do consider Pine View too which has just gone TOP last year.
IMHO, the empty parcel of land beside pine view has higher chance of building MRT station than the parcel of land infront of skysuite.
 

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Is the area near SkySuites crime prone?

What about

Paragon Residences Vs SkySuites? I'm rating them and giving them points based on individual merits
764 sq ft (MYR 604,000) = MYR 791 psf
vs
870 sq ft (MYR 570,000) = MYR 650 psf


Sky Suites is better in terms of
psf - 650 psf (+1)
area 870 sq ft (+1)
got balcony (+1)
Next is MRT (+1)


Paragon Residences
Seaview (Straits of Malacca n Danga Bay) (+1)
Facilities (+1)
Surroundings - 1.6b Lido Beach development (+1)

Sky Suites seem to win by 1 point.

Pls check out their websites and let me know which will you pick?
I need to make a decision asap.
Thank you.


I think you can't compare paragon with Skysuite.
You should compare skysuite with V@summerplace and pine view.
These 3 condos are beside CIQ and betting on future MRT development (after 2018)

Paragon on the other hand has no condo to compare with.
Paragon surrounding is quiet and peaceful. It does not have any shopping mall beside it.
There is also no tall buildings around it. If you can get >20 floor, you will be able to get an excellent view.
That is something unique about paragon.
Personally, I prefer Paragon because by 2015, there will not be any other condo around it to compete with.
And don't bet on the Lido beach development. ...

For those with think Paragon is expensive. Check out Residence at the Peak. http://www.straitsview8.com/. A 5Mil RM per unit development.
 

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Re: Sorry need quick reply. So posting here..Paragon Residences Vs Sky Suites MB Land

Once upon a time, I made a rushed decision but with the help of the fellow friends here, I was back on my feet quickly.

Listen to the advices given, think through carefully and focus on your objectives. It seems that you are buying for investment only. There are already a lot of existing condos not far from paragon for you to gauge what the rental is like. Then you do your own projection. Good luck!

Is the area near SkySuites crime prone?

What about

Paragon Residences Vs SkySuites? I'm rating them and giving them points based on individual merits
764 sq ft (MYR 604,000) = MYR 791 psf
vs
870 sq ft (MYR 570,000) = MYR 650 psf


Sky Suites is better in terms of
psf - 650 psf (+1)
area 870 sq ft (+1)
got balcony (+1)
Next is MRT (+1)


Paragon Residences
Seaview (Straits of Malacca n Danga Bay) (+1)
Facilities (+1)
Surroundings - 1.6b Lido Beach development (+1)

Sky Suites seem to win by 1 point.

Pls check out their websites and let me know which will you pick?
I need to make a decision asap.
Thank you.
 

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Re: Sorry need quick reply. So posting here..Paragon Residences Vs Sky Suites MB Land

Once upon a time, I made a rushed decision but with the help of the fellow friends here, I was back on my feet quickly.

Listen to the advices given, think through carefully and focus on your objectives. It seems that you are buying for investment only. There are already a lot of existing condos not far from paragon for you to gauge what the rental is like. Then you do your own projection. Good luck!

I've given serious thought on paragon vs sky suites. For some reasons not convenient to mention, I drop Sky Suites off my radar.

I may pick paragon due to the 1.6billion lido beach development by Temasek Holdings Singapore. When sg investment firm pledged to invest, things will happen. Entire beachfront should be different by 2016. That area has lots of upside potential while those eg Twin Galaxy crammped inside JB city centre can't expand/develop further unless they have their own unique selling points, which I can't find any with Twin galaxy with its 1 level retail food cuisine concept...

My KSL unit has appreciated by 41.8% in value within 1 year and I intend to guard it like a fortress. Aint selling it unless it hit stratospheric levels eg. like 200-300%, and once or IF property bubble shows imminent burst, I will flip it, after 5 years, or even 3 years.
KSL has a resort hotel on top of it with 6,000 sq ft of swimming pool and has quite a good mall, not fantastic, but good enough, below it (somewhere between Lot One in sg and Causewaypoint in sg.) So it is a self contained mini city.

I went to Twin Galaxy launch. Too much hype but little punches. No contest between the two. They should have built a six storey
mall below the Twin Galaxy. But they couldn't pull it off. Budget constraints? Developer is new.

Anyway back to Paragon, price is high and locals wont rent. Probably weekend resort home or target better off expats who want 3 mins to CIQ. Unit facing Danga bay. Historically, seabased condos are worth a lot if held over 5-10 years or more. Key is lasting power.

If it appreciates by 50% and hits a property bubble and burst, and all properties plunges by 50%, I reckon at worst I'm back to square one +50, -50. But over time, price still increases as property is a hedge against inflation (3-5% per year).

That's my 2 cents lar.

Sg condos now selling for $2,500 ringgit psf. Who would want to buy?...sinkieland (yes, I'm singaporean and I'm sick of the sg prices)

Even a mickey mouse studio in sg selling for 1 million + ringgit...shucks..

I pick going from hdb pigoen to another 'enhanced' pigeon with enhanced facilities (paragon has a formidable array of facilities inside, no HDB has such facilities) coz of security concerns as one of my family members is driving my car.

If I drive, I would have got a Double Gated Bayou Creek at Leisure Farm...So logistical problems are preventing me from getting a landed.

I do know landed for own stay is far value for money, but logistics is the obstacle.

And from time to time, like the korean businessman got his hand cut off by malaysian madmen trying to kidnap his son, i aint taking no chances....My life is more important. But that's not to say landed is not safe. It is safe, but probably not as safe as in a well guarded fortress like Paragon or KSL or maybe upcoming 50+ storey Setia Sky 88. Unless malaysian robbers become spidermen then I got to nothing to say...

Dam the crime rate. Bring it down!
 

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Hi freedom, do u know if KSL still have units left? Any problem with getting a bumi unit? Have u got yr keys? I am keen to invest in a condo near CIQ. Waitg for setia sky 88. Besides safety concern in the area, another problem is traffic. Can the existing road network support so many ppl living in the area in future (ksl, twingalaxy, setia sky)? A big plus is the rapid transit link to spore come 2018.


I've given serious thought on paragon vs sky suites. For some reasons not convenient to mention, I drop Sky Suites off my radar.

I may pick paragon due to the 1.6billion lido beach development by Temasek Holdings Singapore. When sg investment firm pledged to invest, things will happen. Entire beachfront should be different by 2016. That area has lots of upside potential while those eg Twin Galaxy crammped inside JB city centre can't expand/develop further unless they have their own unique selling points, which I can't find any with Twin galaxy with its 1 level retail food cuisine concept...

My KSL unit has appreciated by 41.8% in value within 1 year and I intend to guard it like a fortress. Aint selling it unless it hit stratospheric levels eg. like 200-300%, and once or IF property bubble shows imminent burst, I will flip it, after 5 years, or even 3 years.
KSL has a resort hotel on top of it with 6,000 sq ft of swimming pool and has quite a good mall, not fantastic, but good enough, below it (somewhere between Lot One in sg and Causewaypoint in sg.) So it is a self contained mini city.

I went to Twin Galaxy launch. Too much hype but little punches. No contest between the two. They should have built a six storey
mall below the Twin Galaxy. But they couldn't pull it off. Budget constraints? Developer is new.

Anyway back to Paragon, price is high and locals wont rent. Probably weekend resort home or target better off expats who want 3 mins to CIQ. Unit facing Danga bay. Historically, seabased condos are worth a lot if held over 5-10 years or more. Key is lasting power.

If it appreciates by 50% and hits a property bubble and burst, and all properties plunges by 50%, I reckon at worst I'm back to square one +50, -50. But over time, price still increases as property is a hedge against inflation (3-5% per year).

That's my 2 cents lar.

Sg condos now selling for $2,500 ringgit psf. Who would want to buy?...sinkieland (yes, I'm singaporean and I'm sick of the sg prices)

Even a mickey mouse studio in sg selling for 1 million + ringgit...shucks..

I pick going from hdb pigoen to another 'enhanced' pigeon with enhanced facilities (paragon has a formidable array of facilities inside, no HDB has such facilities) coz of security concerns as one of my family members is driving my car.

If I drive, I would have got a Double Gated Bayou Creek at Leisure Farm...So logistical problems are preventing me from getting a landed.

I do know landed for own stay is far value for money, but logistics is the obstacle.

And from time to time, like the korean businessman got his hand cut off by malaysian madmen trying to kidnap his son, i aint taking no chances....My life is more important. But that's not to say landed is not safe. It is safe, but probably not as safe as in a well guarded fortress like Paragon or KSL or maybe upcoming 50+ storey Setia Sky 88. Unless malaysian robbers become spidermen then I got to nothing to say...

Dam the crime rate. Bring it down!
 

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I've given serious thought on paragon vs sky suites. For some reasons not convenient to mention, I drop Sky Suites off my radar.
You may want to share so that everyone benefits from your analysis. Free speech here as along as it is qualified.

I may pick paragon due to the 1.6billion lido beach development by Temasek Holdings Singapore. When sg investment firm pledged to invest, things will happen. Entire beachfront should be different by 2016. That area has lots of upside potential while those eg Twin Galaxy crammped inside JB city centre can't expand/develop further unless they have their own unique selling points, which I can't find any with Twin galaxy with its 1 level retail food cuisine concept...
Please do not forget UBS, Bank of America, ABC Kindergarten, Shin Corp and many more.

My KSL unit has appreciated by 41.8% in value within 1 year and I intend to guard it like a fortress. Aint selling it unless it hit stratospheric levels eg. like 200-300%, and once or IF property bubble shows imminent burst, I will flip it, after 5 years, or even 3 years.
KSL has a resort hotel on top of it with 6,000 sq ft of swimming pool and has quite a good mall, not fantastic, but good enough, below it (somewhere between Lot One in sg and Causewaypoint in sg.) So it is a self contained mini city.
Good to see that you bought something that is good and you like it.

I went to Twin Galaxy launch. Too much hype but little punches. No contest between the two. They should have built a six storey
mall below the Twin Galaxy. But they couldn't pull it off. Budget constraints? Developer is new.

Anyway back to Paragon, price is high and locals wont rent. Probably weekend resort home or target better off expats who want 3 mins to CIQ. Unit facing Danga bay. Historically, seabased condos are worth a lot if held over 5-10 years or more. Key is lasting power.

If it appreciates by 50% and hits a property bubble and burst, and all properties plunges by 50%, I reckon at worst I'm back to square one +50, -50. But over time, price still increases as property is a hedge against inflation (3-5% per year).

That's my 2 cents lar.
Sounds like a fairly safe scenario that you have painted.

Sg condos now selling for $2,500 ringgit psf. Who would want to buy?...sinkieland (yes, I'm singaporean and I'm sick of the sg prices)

Even a mickey mouse studio in sg selling for 1 million + ringgit...shucks..
To be fair, Singapore is in a sweet spot now.
- poor alternative investment opportunities globally
- Triple A-rated economies are fast disappearing
- Influx of foreign capital
- It may go higher still unfortunately

I pick going from hdb pigoen to another 'enhanced' pigeon with enhanced facilities (paragon has a formidable array of facilities inside, no HDB has such facilities) coz of security concerns as one of my family members is driving my car.

If I drive, I would have got a Double Gated Bayou Creek at Leisure Farm...So logistical problems are preventing me from getting a landed.

I do know landed for own stay is far value for money, but logistics is the obstacle.

And from time to time, like the korean businessman got his hand cut off by malaysian madmen trying to kidnap his son, i aint taking no chances....My life is more important. But that's not to say landed is not safe. It is safe, but probably not as safe as in a well guarded fortress like Paragon or KSL or maybe upcoming 50+ storey Setia Sky 88. Unless malaysian robbers become spidermen then I got to nothing to say...

Dam the crime rate. Bring it down!
Bro, don't take safety for granted if you choose to live in JB. There is always a weakest link somewhere but I wish you luck. :smile:
 

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You may want to share so that everyone benefits from your analysis. Free speech here as along as it is qualified.


Please do not forget UBS, Bank of America, ABC Kindergarten, Shin Corp and many more.


Good to see that you bought something that is good and you like it.


Sounds like a fairly safe scenario that you have painted.


To be fair, Singapore is in a sweet spot now.
- poor alternative investment opportunities globally
- Triple A-rated economies are fast disappearing
- Influx of foreign capital
- It may go higher still unfortunately


Bro, don't take safety for granted if you choose to live in JB. There is always a weakest link somewhere but I wish you luck. :smile:

Bravo! Well said....

Bro Freedom is no new bird! Instead maybe we should learn from him huh!? :smile:

The best is buy for own stay, later buy too many no one rent also mati!
 

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I've given serious thought on paragon vs sky suites. For some reasons not convenient to mention, I drop Sky Suites off my radar.

I may pick paragon due to the 1.6billion lido beach development by Temasek Holdings Singapore. When sg investment firm pledged to invest, things will happen. Entire beachfront should be different by 2016. That area has lots of upside potential while those eg Twin Galaxy crammped inside JB city centre can't expand/develop further unless they have their own unique selling points, which I can't find any with Twin galaxy with its 1 level retail food cuisine concept...

My KSL unit has appreciated by 41.8% in value within 1 year and I intend to guard it like a fortress. Aint selling it unless it hit stratospheric levels eg. like 200-300%, and once or IF property bubble shows imminent burst, I will flip it, after 5 years, or even 3 years.
KSL has a resort hotel on top of it with 6,000 sq ft of swimming pool and has quite a good mall, not fantastic, but good enough, below it (somewhere between Lot One in sg and Causewaypoint in sg.) So it is a self contained mini city.

I went to Twin Galaxy launch. Too much hype but little punches. No contest between the two. They should have built a six storey
mall below the Twin Galaxy. But they couldn't pull it off. Budget constraints? Developer is new.

Anyway back to Paragon, price is high and locals wont rent. Probably weekend resort home or target better off expats who want 3 mins to CIQ. Unit facing Danga bay. Historically, seabased condos are worth a lot if held over 5-10 years or more. Key is lasting power.

If it appreciates by 50% and hits a property bubble and burst, and all properties plunges by 50%, I reckon at worst I'm back to square one +50, -50. But over time, price still increases as property is a hedge against inflation (3-5% per year).

That's my 2 cents lar.

Sg condos now selling for $2,500 ringgit psf. Who would want to buy?...sinkieland (yes, I'm singaporean and I'm sick of the sg prices)

Even a mickey mouse studio in sg selling for 1 million + ringgit...shucks..

I pick going from hdb pigoen to another 'enhanced' pigeon with enhanced facilities (paragon has a formidable array of facilities inside, no HDB has such facilities) coz of security concerns as one of my family members is driving my car.

If I drive, I would have got a Double Gated Bayou Creek at Leisure Farm...So logistical problems are preventing me from getting a landed.

I do know landed for own stay is far value for money, but logistics is the obstacle.

And from time to time, like the korean businessman got his hand cut off by malaysian madmen trying to kidnap his son, i aint taking no chances....My life is more important. But that's not to say landed is not safe. It is safe, but probably not as safe as in a well guarded fortress like Paragon or KSL or maybe upcoming 50+ storey Setia Sky 88. Unless malaysian robbers become spidermen then I got to nothing to say...

Dam the crime rate. Bring it down!

Congrats to your paper gain in the KSL unit. If you are buying landed, just get a J-plate car. A mickey mouse apartment in Singapore easily cost $1.5 mil MYR, for own-stay, more people are choosing properties in JB. Safety is the key issue that holds many Singaporeans back from buying. If it can be reduced, prices will soar.
 

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Initially, I was interested in the development but realized that it is leasehold property.
quite surprise that why it is "leasehold" ? Anyway, I read it from somewhere and understand that buyers must be careful in buying "leasehold" and"bumi" properties. One property guru advised me not to trust those sales or agents that regulation or policy will change in future when asked about the buying those "leasehold" and"bumi" properties..

The leasehold is for 991 yrs (almost freehold). this is a high density area where there is plenty of land for future development along gelang patah rd. Tesco will be built here and soon Mydin and with hutan bandar nearby for kite-flying. hope it is linked to the second link highway according to the proposed interchange near lima kedai. some locals say a sutera utama in the making. The garden residence is a bit away fr coastal highway and hopefully the new road to second link is constructed in future.
just my input abt this area.
 

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Bravo! Well said....

Bro Freedom is no new bird! Instead maybe we should learn from him huh!? :smile:

The best is buy for own stay, later buy too many no one rent also mati!

I want to learn from those who make good money! :p :p :p
 

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New development to share in 2012...

Paragon Residences - Amprojek-construction sdn bhd
V@summerplace - Connoisseur Tower Sdn Bhd
Summerscape Condominium - Connoisseur Tower Sdn Bhd
1Tebrau Residences - Distinctive Properties Sdn Bhd
The WaterEdge Apartments - Walker Corporation (Senibong Cove)
Encorp Marina Puteri Harbour condominium - Encorp Bhd
Sky Suite @ Meldrum Hill - MB Land (Mahabuilders)
Perling Heights - MB Land (Mahabuilders)
Nusa Heights - MB Land (Mahabuilders)
D'Larkin - MB Land (Mahabuilders)
M’Tiara Apartments - MB Land (Mahabuilders)
Horizon Residences - MB Land (Mahabuilders)
1Medini Residences - WCT Sdn Bhd
Imperia Condominium, Puteri Habour - UEM Land
Impiana Condominium, East Ledang - UEM Land
Molek Pine 4 - Berinda Properties
Straits View Residences - Permas Jaya Sdn Bhd
Sky88 - SP Setia Group
Sky Gardens - SP Setia Group
Sky Executive Suites - SP Setia Group
Sky Oasis - SP Setia Group
Sky Loft - SP Setia Group
Sky Peak - SP Setia Group
Tropez Residences- Djaya group
The Platino - IOI Land
Fairway Suites - Horizon Hills Development Sdn Bhd
Golden Sands Apartment
Manhattan SOVO suites - Austin Heights
Botanica Bayu Puteri Apartment - Bayou Bay Development Sdn.bhd
Seasons Luxury Apartments - Teori Warisan Sdn Bhd
Jentayu Residence Service Apartment- Achwell Property Sdn Bhd
The Garden Residences Apartments - Scientex (Skudai) Sdn Bhd
The Seed Resort Condominium - Tanah Sutera Development Sdn Bhd
Twin Galaxy Serviced Apartment - Golden Oriental Realty Sdn Bhd
Carlton Seaview Residences - GoodWill Division Sdn Bhd
Ponderosa LakeSide Luxury Apartments - Pandan Baru Sdn Bhd
The Senai Garden Lifestyle Serviced Apartment - KCC Development (M) Sdn Bhd
Austin Regency - Scudai Development Sdn Bhd
The Marina View - Capital Extension Land Sdn Bhd
D'Ambience Residences Serviced Apartments - IJM Land (Ikatan Flora Sdn Bhd)
D'Rich - IJM Land
EastBay Luxury Apartment- Gigantic Project Sdn Bhd
The Private Residence Apartment - The Private Residence
SuriaMas Suites - IJM Land (Suria Bistari Development Sdn Bhd)
Grand Executive 3-Storey Walk-Up Apartment - Seri Alam Properties Sdn Bhd
Twin Residences - Johor Land
The Seed Condominium - Tanah Sutera Development Sdn Bhd
Greenfield Regency - Alpha Astral Sdn Bhd
Palazio Service Apartment - Mayland Austin Sdn Bhd
Parc Regency Serviced Apartment - Mayland Projects (Johor) Sdn Bhd
D'esplanade Residences - KLS Holdings
Ujana Executive Residence - UEM Land
M’Tiara Apartments - MB Land (Mahabuilders)
Zennith Suite - Total Merit Sdn Bhd
 
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Holy smoke! That's a long long list! Challenge u to add in the landed too? You can do it one, BFF :wink:
 
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Some I recalled visiting earlier this year

The greens HH
Senibong Villa - Mahabuilders
Mutiara Mas (cluster, forgot name) - Scientex
Bestari Heights
Nusa Duta
The seeds
Casania
Taman Laguna
Sapphire 8 - seri alam
Nusa idaman - P8b, 7a
Park view
Arte, cadenza etc - setia
Eco cascadia - setia
Eco garden - setia
Austin heights
Setia tropica
Dato onn
Adda
Kempas KSL
Kempas IJM
 
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