My Life (Malay) True Story.

[SGMalay]

You have taken extra mile to clarify this matter to forummer. – Thank you.

There’s a lot of work need to be done before dragging LKY to surface.

Based on feedback, there are quite numbers of Malays does not believe in Yaacob Ibrahim and MUIS management.

There is a need for investigation right from accounting perspective and their annual income.

This will be very difficult; I have to think which channel will be more effective and/or appropriate, obviously not from Singapore Government.

This requires somebody familiar dealing with organizational procedure up to UN administrative level.


Thank you very much.

This is what I have asked my Malay friends - what are you all waiting for - another 50 years of PAP rule. Start now, get the figures, raise it with the Govt and if they fail to give a reasonable answer seek UN help to validate the promises.

From this forum alone, you can see non-malays have the erroneous impression that the jobs, housing have been provided as perks.

Some idiot even suggested that you learn to speak Mandarin. There has already been a number of letters in the past by non-chinese Mandarin speakers who have complained that learning Mandarin did not help.

Did you hear old man's reply to NMP Viswa. The impression is that Malays have been given special treatment but he did not mention what.

The trouble with Yang Razali Kassim and Mendaki gang was to grab the formula not realising the it was the first step to divide and rule. The moment the Indians got suckered into Sinda, CDAC appeared.

 

[Ash007]

Democracy at work? Are we seeing a new movement going on here? Something akin to the Hindraf movement in mudland? This is very very exciting seeing this thread turning into something bigger. I hope it eventuate into something. Good luck SGMalay.

You have taken extra mile to clarify this matter to forummer. – Thank you.

There’s a lot of work need to be done before dragging LKY to surface.

Based on feedback, there are quite numbers of Malays does not believe in Yaacob Ibrahim and MUIS management.

There is a need for investigation right from accounting perspective and their annual income.

This will be very difficult; I have to think which channel will be more effective and/or appropriate, obviously not from Singapore Government.

This requires somebody familiar dealing with organizational procedure up to UN administrative level.


Thank you very much.

 

[OldPlaza]

One example, what if India takes over China economy success someday, do Singaporean need to learn Tamil to accommodate company business direction?

Be flexible, follow the smell of the money. There is no shame to it.

What are you going to do if Microsoft Windows is losing its OS war with Apples OS. All business applications/software are built and developed only in Apples OS ?

Very simple, you just have to quickly and humbly sit down and learn Apples OS.
Unless SG is the only superpower in the world, (this never happens), we just have to pick the the skills/knowledge to be useful to put food the the table.

 

[OldPlaza]

The chinese would actually hardly complain if they need to speak another language. Like for eg when japan was rising in the 80s many chinese learnt jap. Did they complain hey why should we learn jap.

LHL can speak russian because his father thought USSR would be a world power and defeat the US or just tries to play if safe. Why didn't LKY lament why did his son need to learn russian?

Just learn mandarin. Many chinese learn and speak malay too.

That's the problem with some of these people. They refuse to learn chinese. They refuse to improve. They want ppl to serve them.

100% agree with you. Be versatile. Be prepared.

Have to keep on learning new things to put food on the table to feed the family.

 

[Jah_rastafar_I]

To solve this i suggest that chinese all work less so as to allow the malays to catch up. Tests and entrance exams to be made easier so that more malays can enter.

Malays have special treatment when they want to take breaks.

Also all the above is to be packaged properly and made to sound nice so that the malays feelings won't be hurt like the tests are dumped down for eg. Everything must be packaged nicely and oh yes everything else must be swept under the carpet and only nice things can only be said.

There happy?

 

[Jah_rastafar_I]

The chinese would actually hardly complain if they need to speak another language. Like for eg when japan was rising in the 80s many chinese learnt jap. Did they complain hey why should we learn jap.

LHL can speak russian because his father thought USSR would be a world power and defeat the US or just tries to play if safe. Why didn't LKY lament why did his son need to learn russian?

Just learn mandarin. Many chinese learn and speak malay too.

That's the problem with some of these people. They refuse to learn chinese. They refuse to improve. They want ppl to serve them.

100% agree with you. Be versatile. Be prepared.

Have to keep on learning new things to put food on the table to feed the family.

Take a look at say indonesia. Where the chinese don't even have chinese names. obviously they really hate chinese over there yet the chinese own so much of the economy. They can rise above adversity.

it's funny i guess he wants some help but of course u cannot say it so straightforward that he wants some help. You have to give the help and then rephrase that as them using their own abilities so as not to hurt their feelings again.

 

[Nice-Gook]

Thank you for your input.

One example, what if India takes over China economy success someday, do Singaporean need to learn Tamil to accommodate company business direction?

Let’s have your view on this.

Thank you.

This is an old question.Discussed till death in other forums.Look brudder.This question of the entire peesai learning Mandarin to do business with China is at best oxymoronic.We all now that pretty well.In fact Mandarin as a must subject in exams had driven many local Chinese talents to other shores.

True,knowing any language helps immensely to get around in any country--at ground zero.Nothing more and nothing less.Once you go beyond the business lingo and legal language takes over.Even in the very English language itself...Business language is very different from poetic lingo.

 

[Ramseth]

In Malaysia, many Malays have the bumiputra and majority mentality and environment, and they're accorded the so-called political protection. However, nothing is free. The real underprivileged bumiputra requiring and deserving help have to put up with elite clusters of Malay families harvesting and feasting on most of the political benefits. They're political hostages, not beneficiaries.

The Chinese in Malaysia find other ways out. Figure out the grounds and gripholds here and there in economics and politics so that they still have grounds to live on and holds to grip onto to. They're ethnically Chinese but they're still Malaysians. Just like in Singapore, Malay or Chinese or Indian or others are still Singaporeans.

 

[Nice-Gook]

Democracy at work? Are we seeing a new movement going on here? Something akin to the Hindraf movement in mudland? This is very very exciting seeing this thread turning into something bigger. I hope it eventuate into something. Good luck SGMalay.

I see your point.True,when Hindraf took to the streets the entire political climate in the mudland changed overnight.Now UMNO itself is undergoing some internal changes...As you said, it's the reversal here.Perhaps if the SG Malays took to the streets in peesai than PAP has to face the music.Obviously the entire community benefits whether Malay or Chinese.....very interesting.

 

[Nice-Gook]

Just learn mandarin. Many chinese learn and speak malay too.

That's the problem with some of these people. They refuse to learn chinese. They refuse to improve. They want ppl to serve them.

Not really lah...True,where there is a 75% majority the other 25% ought to know the lingo of the majority.It is as simple as that.But not in peesai.Why?Because of hypocritical PAP regime.Take look at our flag.It's a combination of Indonesian and Islamic crescent.Why?...

Same with PAP language policy.Our national language is Malay....but no importance given.Yet non Chinese are not allowed to take Mandarin as subject in the schools...but the business ling here is English.

 

[kojakbt]

Just want to say another thing. If a war ever comes (touch wood), you may just have to depend on your buddies to go thru it together and they could be a Chinese, Malay, Indian etc. Your FTs are all long gone from this island by then....

 

[Jah_rastafar_I]

Just want to say another thing. If a war ever comes (touch wood), you may just have to depend on your buddies to go thru it together and they could be a Chinese, Malay, Indian etc. Your FTs are all long gone from this island by then....

Were u from 35sce?

 

[lockeliberal]

Dear Scroobal

In its entirety even within developed economies there will be marginalized minorities. Integration is not the work of government policies alone and it will not be the work of years but the work of decades and of community change and improvement, they all have to work hand in hand.

Issues such as income inequality affect ALL races, poor chinese, poor indians , poor malays alike, if they are disadvantaged because the rich and educated have gamed the meritocratic system , then they should unite. The fact that there are proportionally more Poor Malays or even poor Indians versus poor chinese should not matter if a real social welfare state is in place for ALL. Because the Wee Shu Min's of the system are not only the Chinese but the Indians as well. I would again gather that there are differences within the Indian community just as I learnt from the forum that there are differences within the Malay community a racial or social packing order so to speak. but for the sake of effective policy and delivery of policy you really have to address the community as a group.

I would argue the Indians are not under represented the really under represented ones are the Malays and that is as much a reflection of Singapore being Chinese dominated by history versus the need for Malay dominance up north



Locke

 

[lockeliberal]

Dear SG

What is a correct racial balance for Singapore ? SG by virtue of its history has been a centre of chinese dominance contrasted historically with a history of Malay Dominance up north. The question is does one seek to reverse this historical dominance a legacy of the british or does one seek to maintain the balance in rough equilibrim ?

Do u believe for one instance that Malaysia will allow the numerical dominance of Malays to be eroded ? Does a 75 % chinese majority mean Malay extinction ? Does a 25% Chinese Minority in Malaysia mean chinese extinction ? What do u mean by " extinction" since you chose to throw such inflammatory language so loosely ? If u mean erosion of Malay numbers until they are politically insignificant or irrelevant then a quick look at the maths will tells that to erode the numbers of Malays to below 5% they will need to at least double the numbers of chinese Singaporeans, I for one will say that before the Malays take to the streets in protests, you will be far outweighed by the cries of the chinese Singaporeans who will not appreciate the influx of china chinese necessary for such a policy.





Locke

 

[Nice-Gook]

Dear SG

I for one will say that before the Malays take to the streets in protests, you will be far outweighed by the cries of the chinese Singaporeans who will not appreciate the influx of china chinese necessary for such a policy.


Locke

The point is that the local Malays are the most affected by the FT policy since they are at the bottom of the totem pole...75% of us can speak with votes but we did not.So the SG Malays may have no other option but to take to the streets.Just as the Malaysian Indians did.It benefited every one.Someone has to tell the emperor that he wears no clothes...Perhaps the SG Malays are the best bet since they have nothing to loose.

 

[Nice-Gook]

In Malaysia, many Malays have the bumiputra and majority mentality and environment, and they're accorded the so-called political protection. However, nothing is free. The real underprivileged bumiputra requiring and deserving help have to put up with elite clusters of Malay families harvesting and feasting on most of the political benefits. They're political hostages, not beneficiaries.

The Chinese in Malaysia find other ways out. Figure out the grounds and gripholds here and there in economics and politics so that they still have grounds to live on and holds to grip onto to. They're ethnically Chinese but they're still Malaysians. Just like in Singapore, Malay or Chinese or Indian or others are still Singaporeans.

Your views of Malaysian politics is just too simplistic.True the Bumiputra policy only benefitted the UMNOPUTRAS and not Malays per ce.But behind every UMNOPUTRA there is a MCAPUTRA aka Chinese towkays.

The biggest scandal in Malaysia running into billions in the matter of port Klang has MCA hands into it.So should the Chinese be blamed because of MCA dirty hands ?

Likewise MIC is not for the Indians but the fiefdom of Samy Veloo.In short politicians in Malaysia looted the country in the name of their community and races.

Nothing different in Peesai too.PAP is taking all of us for a ride by staying in power by highlighting racial divide.GRC ,Menadki and what have you...

 

[scroobal]

There is one approach where it need not be confrontational. In the business world, we call it a "sanity check". The Malay leaders can ask the govt to appoint an independent body to validate what those special rights are, the value and if it actually tangible and the cost to the nation. There are 2 reasons for it

1) Walk the talk as enshrined in Sec 152 (2)
2) Clearly dispel what appears to be a perception that Malays are given jobs, housing, etc which are clearly not true.

At the moment, no one has any clue. I am sure if the PAP respect the laws that it wrote, it would not mind having a second opnion. The UN has a number of bodies that tackle these issues. Don't waste time with NGO - more song and dance rather than the issue at hand.

I can tell you people especially the minorities were not very pleased when a Malay MP (obviously picked to do the dirty work) stood up in parliament and disparaged Viswa (a minority member NMP) for raising the pledge and equality issue. Clearly one of his key issues and many consider central was the treatment of minorities.

You have taken extra mile to clarify this matter to forummer. – Thank you.

There’s a lot of work need to be done before dragging LKY to surface.

Based on feedback, there are quite numbers of Malays does not believe in Yaacob Ibrahim and MUIS management.

There is a need for investigation right from accounting perspective and their annual income.

This will be very difficult; I have to think which channel will be more effective and/or appropriate, obviously not from Singapore Government.

This requires somebody familiar dealing with organizational procedure up to UN administrative level.


Thank you very much.

 

[scroobal]

Aiming for equality with your hand on your heart is a pipe dream without the necessary laws and enforcement of those laws. Everyone of the advanced nation has laws in black and white addressing discrimination including gender discrimination. To have bite and transparency, they all have race/sex discrimination commisioners/ombudsman who are indepedent of the govt of the day. Therefore there are specific mechanisms to address these issues.

There are none of these things in Singapore. There is however a recently enacted law that prevents a Private Investigator from investigating politicians even if it relates to matriomonial case. Its tells you how dumb we are.

There are no published data or any reports covering the issues of race employment etc. The only time you hear it is when old man decides to blurt out stuff. If the PAP really wants to prove its concept of meritocracy, it should be more transparent than that.

We have now come to the situation where job advertisments are blatantly are asking for non-singaporeans. These things are forbidden by countris in the G20. So what the fuck did the PAP over 50 years of continous rule.

I am not for one minute asking for Malays to be given a penthouse, a job as CEO of Stat Board and a berth at the Sentosa Cove.

The Malays have their own internal challenges. Clearly they are dysfunctional on the family front as a community compared to any other race and it bloody obvious except to someone whom is on denial mode. They have work ethics and aspirational issues. But we need to ensure that a qualified Malay has every right to access good jobs purely on merit. Is that a fair call.

Dear Scroobal

In its entirety even within developed economies there will be marginalized minorities. Integration is not the work of government policies alone and it will not be the work of years but the work of decades and of community change and improvement, they all have to work hand in hand.

Issues such as income inequality affect ALL races, poor chinese, poor indians , poor malays alike, if they are disadvantaged because the rich and educated have gamed the meritocratic system , then they should unite. The fact that there are proportionally more Poor Malays or even poor Indians versus poor chinese should not matter if a real social welfare state is in place for ALL. Because the Wee Shu Min's of the system are not only the Chinese but the Indians as well. I would again gather that there are differences within the Indian community just as I learnt from the forum that there are differences within the Malay community a racial or social packing order so to speak. but for the sake of effective policy and delivery of policy you really have to address the community as a group.

I would argue the Indians are not under represented the really under represented ones are the Malays and that is as much a reflection of Singapore being Chinese dominated by history versus the need for Malay dominance up north



Locke

 

[SneeringTree]

The point is that the local Malays are the most affected by the FT policy since they are at the bottom of the totem pole...75% of us can speak with votes but we did not.So the SG Malays may have no other option but to take to the streets.Just as the Malaysian Indians did.It benefited every one.Someone has to tell the emperor that he wears no clothes...Perhaps the SG Malays are the best bet since they have nothing to loose.

On the other hand, because they have so little to begin with, every little carrot dangled (e.g. New Singapore Shares, etc) by PAP will entice them to vote PAP.

I know of real incidents where some Malays working for my father's company said "government give us money, so we vote for them lah".

Of course, the same probably goes for poor Chinese and others.

 

[Nice-Gook]

On the other hand, because they have so little to begin with, every little carrot dangled (e.g. New Singapore Shares, etc) by PAP will entice them to vote PAP.

I know of real incidents where some Malays working for my father's company said "government give us money, so we vote for them lah".

Of course, the same probably goes for poor Chinese and others.

Oh yes! Votes can be bought and they are indeed bought..But since there is no Malay majority constituency exist here.Buying Malay votes alone cannot tilt the balance..remember we are still 75%.....Chinese votes alone can win any constituency anytime.Without Chinese votes PAP cannot win.So even if every Malay votes are bought by PAP the 75% of Chinese voters ensure their choice wins-everytime.

Thus PAP dangling carrots and threats are aimed at the majority voters-the Chinese.If they take the bait, why blame the Malays alone?