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Ms Natalie Ng said: “I’m currently single, I'm a perfectionist, I do things in a step-by-step manner

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We spoke to 8 Singaporean women to find out their reasons and how they’ve dealt with the expectations of having children despite their decision.

1. “The cost of having a kid is not cheap in Singapore”

“I’ve dated my husband for 2 years and we’ve been married for 7. I don’t want to have kids because of the heavy financial burden, as the cost of having a kid is not cheap in Singapore. Additionally, as a workaholic who enjoys my job, I prioritise my career.

My partner is approving of this mindset. We came to the conclusion of not having kids together due to financial factors. My parents are cool with it too as they just want us to be happy in our marriage, but our friends are puzzled as to why we didn’t want kids since we personally love kids. I have thought about having children when I was younger, but as the standard of living progresses, it’s hard to have another mouth to feed.

We shouldn’t be pressured by society and should just lead our own lives, instead of following the “normal” standard of a textbook-guide couple. Raising a kid in the past seems easier as compared to now as life was simpler then. But now, it’s much more competitive.

Not having kids doesn’t mean that we cannot achieve what we want when we are older.”

— Kaitlyn Leow, 39

2. “I haven’t really enjoyed my life yet and I want to improve on myself”

“I’ve been attached to my boyfriend for 4 years and I don’t want to have kids because I feel like I haven’t really enjoyed my life yet. This includes things like travelling, making time for my hobbies and improving myself both physically and mentally. Furthermore, I feel like having a child will hinder my plans of getting a degree and advancing in my career.

My boyfriend is more than approving and he shares the same sentiments as we had a talk quite early into our relationship about our expectations. [However], my family has this stance that “if a woman does not have children then she is not really a woman”. They are rather apprehensive of the fact that I do not want children and occasionally bring up the topic that it is only right for me to have children. I’ve nicely told them that they were in no position to demand grandchildren as I had my future planned out.

I left my house when I was 19 and was forced to become an adult. Thus, going to work and earning money to pay rent, afford basic necessities and pay bills made me realise how much I wanted to improve on myself instead of having another huge responsibility of a child. I want to focus on my education, career, and have time for myself.

I don’t feel any pressure from society as I’ve reached a sort of epiphany where I feel that my needs come first. I’m lucky that my partner and his family are okay with my decision. Children should never be seen as a retirement plan or as a goal to “complete” a marriage.”

— Isabel Lee, 23

3. “Having a womb does not automatically mean we must have children”
“I’m single and I feel that children are too much of a responsibility for me and finances are running outrageously high. I’d rather not be in debt. Also, I personally think that having a womb does not automatically mean that we must have children.

My parents were initially shocked and didn’t understand my decision. But I made it clear to them that I am responsible for living my [own] adult life.

As a child, I naturally thought that having children is something to check off in life. I felt pressure from my family because some disapproving relatives from the older generation still use the line “you will change your mind in future”. But once I hit my 30s, I foresee the pressure will be greater on me to get attached and give birth in order to be a “complete” woman.

In my opinion, it’s harder [to raise a kid] now considering the rising costs and the increasing demand for better tuition and schools for children to get a headstart amongst their peers. I despise the saying that children are needed to complete a family. In order to be complete, you have to feel complete first. People don’t condemn women who can’t conceive, so why condemn women who won’t conceive?”

—Elle Liew, 24

4. “I’m scared of pain and pregnancy”

“My partner and I have been together for 4 and a half years. My reasons for not wanting to have kids are mostly internal influences. Firstly, I’m scared of pain and pregnancy. It seriously gives me bad vibes [thinking] about something growing inside me like an alien. I [also] don’t want to lose my freedom as I love to travel and would like to be able to be spontaneous.

There are several other women in my extended family who are child-free, women with only one child and women with big families. I think growing up this way made it natural for me to think that it’s totally a choice [to have kids]. And my choice was always to have no kids.

Somehow, I knew since I was a kid that I don’t want children. Even though I’m an only child, my parents have never spoken about grandchildren. My mum has always made it clear that you should want to have children. She always said to me, “you were planned and wanted”.

Having kids is a personal choice. So if you feel that you need children to complete a marriage, make sure you find a partner that feels the same way about it. I think people should be self-sufficient. My parents often told me growing up that they don’t need me to worry for them and that they will take care of themselves. As I grew up and grew older, I realised how prevalent this mindset is.”

—Thabye Soe, 38

5. “I know that I am someone who focuses a lot on my work”

“I’m currently single, but I do not want to have children because of 2 factors: my career and fear of not living up to expectations. I see myself completing my masters and PHD while working part time [in the future]. Taking time into account, I don’t think I have the capacity to properly care for another human being.

Moreover, I am a perfectionist. I do things in a step-by-step manner, [thus] I am worried that I will make the wrong decision or end up being a terrible mother by not giving them my undivided attention. I know that I am someone who focuses a lot on my work and splitting my time is not good for both the kid and myself.

My friends and family are aware [of my decision] because I talk about my career progression and future ambitions all the time. They are generally curious about my strong stance, but still support it. In fact, I never thought about wanting kids from young. I don’t really feel pressure from society because I think I am pretty headstrong and think about my work a lot.

I feel that children should be filial to their parents. Our parents sacrifice so much for us and it is only right that we give back. I can’t speak for other families, but my parents are okay with me being unmarried because we have open conversations about it.”

—Natalie Ng, 20

6. “I’m not interested in being part of the competitive community of Singaporean parents”

“I’ve been attached for 4 years and I’m not interested in the cost and responsibility of having kids. It’s tough to get your kids to be of a certain level of success. Societal pressure [on kids] in Singapore is no joke. Kids peer-pressure other kids, and parents peer-pressure other parents. It takes a lot to raise your kid in the way you want to.

I’m not interested in being part of the narrow-minded, conservative and competitive community of Singaporean parents. The competitive system here creates an environment where more parents are emotionally uninvested in their kids. Many treat their kids as investments that will have a future payoff. It is capitalistic and horrifying.

My boyfriend happens to want to be child-free too, as he has a hereditary disease that he doesn’t want to pass on. Though we have different reasons, our goals are the same. To those who suggest that people may regret not having children, I think that regretting having children is way worse because you have to live and pay for the lifelong consequences.

I do feel pressure from society to eventually have children someday, but I don’t care about these pressures or people who exert these pressures. You have to make your life choices based on your own goals and vision. It takes time to build this courage to make the decision to not compromise on what you want your life to be.

For a successful marriage, you also need to invest in your kids emotionally. Teach them good values, how to respect others, and manage themselves. Even so, you should not expect [payback] from your kids who did not ask to be born.”

—Emily Koh, 33

These Women Who Don’t Want To Have Kids Show Us That There Are Many Important Factors To Consider

It might be easy for most people to casually ask “Why don’t you want to have children?” However, these women have shown us that deciding to have a child is not that simple.

As we are progressing as a society, more women are stepping out from the stereotypical assumption of being a mother. Different women have different priorities in their lives, and eventually we should all make decisions based on ourselves rather than by others’ expectations.

https://zula.sg/not-wanting-kids-singapore/
 

jw5

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Someone should tell Natalie that the main reason she is single is because she is a perfectionist.
 

eatshitndie

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You still owe me an apology.

I am not scroobal and I am not MAY

Apologize.
jabberwocky will never apologize. to do so means loss of face or death. he may either jump into marina or off a hdb block. talking about “suicidal”, this fella takes the cake. now i understand how the taliban and jihadist think.
 

nayr69sg

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jabberwocky will never apologize. to do so means loss of face or death. he may either jump into marina or off a hdb block. talking about “suicidal”, this fella takes the cake. now i understand how the taliban and jihadist think.

Actually in the past year my mental health has not been good and gotten worse.
 

nayr69sg

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best if you ignore the malicious insinuations of another mental case that has surpassed you in severity. a battle of wits best not fought.

He is very powerful in the forum. Sam also favors him.

I definitely lose. But hey insanity seems to be quite prevalent here and accepted and allowed. So what the heck.
 

eatshitndie

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He is very powerful in the forum. Sam also favors him.

I definitely lose. But hey insanity seems to be quite prevalent here and accepted and allowed. So what the heck.
aiyah! you supermod outranks and outclasses mod. tekan him. don’t be shy.
 

nayr69sg

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aiyah! you supermod outranks and outclasses mod. tekan him. don’t be shy.

Dont dare.

jw5 has many supporters here. And many of them are very viciously loyal.

I just want an apology rightfully. jw5 has said before that he is a nice guy.

https://www.sammyboy.com/threads/my-advice-to-all-sbf-opposition-supporters.288692/post-3414308

And that he is friendly

https://www.sammyboy.com/threads/de...ourable-woman-of-her-word.305612/post-3404580

He reminisces about good old days where we banter but are not malicious

https://www.sammyboy.com/threads/a-tribute-to-good-old-forum-banter.306037/post-3414256

I miss those days when he did not target or hate me because he unilaterally without any evidence believe I am scroobal and MAY when I am not.

So he owes me an apology if what he has been saying is true.
 

Charlie99

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At an age of 40 or better, I believe that we should be civil, polite, considerate and sincere.
I also believe that no individual, regardless of status, position in life or in this forum, or wealth, should make unfounded and unsupported allegations.
If an individual has made an unfounded or unsupported allegation, he or she should make an unreserved apology, to reflect his honesty and sincerity.
 

nayr69sg

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At an age of 40 or better, I believe that we should be civil, polite, considerate and sincere.
I also believe that no individual, regardless of status, position in life or in this forum, or wealth, should make unfounded and unsupported allegations.
If an individual has made an unfounded or unsupported allegation, he or she should make an unreserved apology, to reflect his honest and sincerity.
I agree.

And the honest truth is I have tried on many many many occasions to make peace with jw5 and also try to show proof that I am not scroobal and MAY. That I am a Canadian. Former SG doctor migrated to Canada. I have gone above and beyond what is normal. This is my sincerity.

Despite this, he continues to stick to his unfounded belief and refuses to apologize.

This has created bad blood, unhappiness in me. I recognized early on that jw5 is an important highly influential member here and it would do me no good to be on his bad side which is one reason I went above and beyond to show him as much as I can that I am not scroobal and MAY.

You can see from the start of this thread somehow he just wanted to target me

https://www.sammyboy.com/threads/jw...oam-containers-during-circuit-breaker.282864/

No provocation on my part

https://www.sammyboy.com/threads/jw...rs-during-circuit-breaker.282864/post-3082328

@Charlie99

I tried explaining to jw5 that I met you before

https://www.sammyboy.com/threads/jw...rs-during-circuit-breaker.282864/post-3083293

Actually things were ok for a while

Until I posted this

https://www.sammyboy.com/threads/jw...rs-during-circuit-breaker.282864/post-3170988

I think I was probably getting him posting I am MAY in other threads at that time.

Hence this

https://www.sammyboy.com/threads/jw...rs-during-circuit-breaker.282864/post-3171096

And I kept trying

https://www.sammyboy.com/threads/jw...rs-during-circuit-breaker.282864/post-3177232

This was on July 14 2020

https://www.sammyboy.com/threads/jw...rs-during-circuit-breaker.282864/post-3178198

and his reply is

Did you remember to add the semen of Mark Andrew Yeo's son to your coffee? LOL........................ :biggrin:

https://www.sammyboy.com/threads/jw...rs-during-circuit-breaker.282864/post-3178201

and

Can also put some of the menses blood of Mark Andrew Yeo's daughter in your coffee. LOL................................ :biggrin:

https://www.sammyboy.com/threads/jw...rs-during-circuit-breaker.282864/post-3178214

And then he calls GD as MAY

https://www.sammyboy.com/threads/jw...rs-during-circuit-breaker.282864/post-3184145
 

nirvarq

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He is very powerful in the forum. Sam also favors him.

I definitely lose. But hey insanity seems to be quite prevalent here and accepted and allowed. So what the heck.


Ask Sam to empower MODs to 2 hrs ban and Supper MODs to 3 hrs bans and let the fun begin ! lol.......... :roflmao:
 

eatshitndie

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Dont dare.

jw5 has many supporters here. And many of them are very viciously loyal.

I just want an apology rightfully. jw5 has said before that he is a nice guy.

https://www.sammyboy.com/threads/my-advice-to-all-sbf-opposition-supporters.288692/post-3414308

And that he is friendly

https://www.sammyboy.com/threads/de...ourable-woman-of-her-word.305612/post-3404580

He reminisces about good old days where we banter but are not malicious

https://www.sammyboy.com/threads/a-tribute-to-good-old-forum-banter.306037/post-3414256

I miss those days when he did not target or hate me because he unilaterally without any evidence believe I am scroobal and MAY when I am not.

So he owes me an apology if what he has been saying is true.
never be deceived by folks claiming they are “nice”. neighbors and friends of mass shooters and serial killers always tell investigators that these murderers always assure them that they are “nice” people. yikes!
 

Charlie99

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[ nayr69sg ],
Based on what I read ( re: your most recent posts and references), I believe that those insults, especially as it pertains to seven and menses, are indicative of gross misconduct and insult, regardless if culture or country.
In addition, the most recent show of arrogance and unrepentance, by writing that "you can be whoever you want to be" reflects an individual who is attempting to digress to avoid the issue of wrong doing and unfounded allegations.
May I suggest that you do not based on happiness or unhappiness on such individuals.
I also believe that regardless whether or not an individual adhere to any religion, there is no basis to make those allegations, hurl those insults, and hide behind the cyber anonymity.
I do not understand why any individual would have such apparent hatred for that Mark Andrew Yeoh.
Have a pleasant weekend.
 

bobby

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syed putra

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If you have kids early, say before 20, by the time they are adult, you are just 40, plenty of time to enjoy life.
 

laksaboy

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There's a failproof way to reverse the seemingly certain demographic suicide, but the AWARE feminazis won't like it. :wink:
 

congo9

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I think by over educating our women, we have come to a place whereby personal satisfaction and ambition has overtaken the need to reproduce.
 
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