Moustache 嘴上没毛 办事不牢

[Glaringly]

In that paragraph where he mentioned tattoo, he didn't compare it with shaving at all.

But it's good enough if you admit you quoted the Chinese proverb out of context, though your admission wasn't apparent.

With due respect to Spock, which I enjoy his posting, but this time he got it wrong.

Ramseth is quoting in the context of genetic which Spock is infering about tradition. ( in the first 2 exchanges )

My 2 cents.

 

[Ramseth]

Not that many people are against it, it is just we, chinese does not grow nice moustache, and if you have half bake moustache, it does loks like dirty old man instead of Tom Selek.

Well, I'm no Tom Selleck or George Lam, but I'm doing alright.

 

[flkyflky]

嘴上没毛 办事不牢

For old fart LKY it is 卵葩无毛，丧事不远。

Since old fart is too old, balls (if still there) got no more hair, he is not too far from his own funeral.

 

[Ramseth]

If you've a handsome looking face, you don't need moustache. George Lam needed one because he wasn't handsome.

Moustache and sideburns became an issue first time in my life at school, Sec. 3/4. Teacher just said, go shave it off. For what reason, I still can't fathom. Nobody explained. It's just not acceptable.

By the time at Police Academy, no need to think or fathom, there's no such thing as keeping moustache or sideburns. Only two Hindu Indian recruits in my batch were allowed to keep moustache, with religious letters from their temples. (My batch had no sikhs, but I don't think they got any problem keeping whatever hair they want to keep.)

 

[Queen Seok Duk]

In context of the quote, I was quoting to my mom. If she has no problem with it, I'm fine with it.

Everybody who reads knows you were quoting to your mom. The issue is what were you trying to say when you quoted the proverb to your mom ? Nobody is interested whether at the end of the day your mom has problem with your moustache or not. It's the meaning of the Chinese proverb used in that context that is the subject.

My mom keeps nagging at me to shave it off. I rebutted, 身体肤发，受之父母，i.e. mom, you gave that to me.

In your own words, clearly your mom was not okay with your keeping the moustache...in your own words, she wanted you to 'shave it off'.

And the Chinese proverb, in your own words, were aimed as a 'rebuttal', implying that because it was given by your parents and that you had a moral obligation to protect whatever was given. That was your reason for not shaving it off.

In other words, you're suggesting that because it was given by your parent shaving it off would be morally wrong. In the same context, are you going to keep your hair ? Are you going to keep your nails ?

In order to answer this question, one must understand the context of this proverb - the original context. The full version is:

身体发肤，受之父母，不敢毁伤，孝之始也

This brings us to Spock's explanation, that it's used in the context of 'inflicting harm to one's body' is a breach of filial piety. The full version clearly says so.

So your rebuttal carries the implication that shaving your moustache means inflicting harm to your body, and for the sake of filial piety not only must you not shave it, it's a reason for you to keep it.

If shaving moustache is inflicting bodily harm on oneself, and if that sounds ridiculous to you, then Spock is right that you used the Chinese proverb wrongly. At this point, we're not even into the topic of tattoo.

The issue of tattooing is not about whether your act of shaving tantamount to inflicting bodily harm. The issue of tattooing was raised to highlight the 'awareness' over relative opinions on what amounts to inflicting bodily harm, not whether 'shaving amounts to inflicting bodily harm.'

 

[Ramseth]

First, I have no issue with tattooing. I don't have tattoo and don't frown on people with tattoos. Then, keeping hair, whatever hair, cutting or shaving has never meant bodily harm or infilial piety. I don't know where you people got that from.

 

[Queen Seok Duk]

First, I have no issue with tattooing. I don't have tattoo and don't frown on people with tattoos. Then, keeping hair, whatever hair, cutting or shaving has never meant bodily harm or infilial piety. I don't know where you people got that from.

You are clearly moving further and further away from the nucleus of the discussion. Nobody is interested in whether tattoo per se is right or wrong.

If indeed in your opinion 'shaving' has nothing whatsoever to do with bodily harm or filial piety, then why quote the Chinese proverb as a rebuttal ?

Perhaps you want to explain to us what is your understanding of the Chinese proverb ?

 

[Ramseth]

You are clearly moving further and further away from the nucleus of the discussion. Nobody is interested in whether tattoo per se is right or wrong.

If indeed in your opinion 'shaving' has nothing whatsoever to do with bodily harm or filial piety, then why quote the Chinese proverb as a rebuttal ?

Perhaps you want to explain to us what is your understanding of the Chinese proverb ?

You're asking for a prolonged "discussion" for what purpose of yours, I don't know, but so be it.

身体肤发，受之父母。That's age-old proverb. Shaving is against parental endowment, is that your point? My point is clear, it's alright, whether to keep or to shave. I don't know what your problem is.

 

[jw5]

Moustache and sideburns became an issue first time in my life at school, Sec. 3/4. Teacher just said, go shave it off. For what reason, I still can't fathom. Nobody explained. It's just not acceptable.

By the time at Police Academy, no need to think or fathom, there's no such thing as keeping moustache or sideburns. Only two Hindu Indian recruits in my batch were allowed to keep moustache, with religious letters from their temples. (My batch had no sikhs, but I don't think they got any problem keeping whatever hair they want to keep.)

Is it at Police academy, no moustaches, beards or sideburns were allowed?
I recall that during NSF time, moustaches were allowed, but beards and sideburns were not.
In fact, if you had even a strand of hair sticking out from your chin or neck, you would be pulled up during parades.

 

[merlion_CB]

How about hairless CB?

May be Whore Jinx

 

[palden]

Hairy ones are definitely turned offs. Neatly trimed ones are turons

 

[Ramseth]

Is it at Police academy, no moustaches, beards or sideburns were allowed?
I recall that during NSF time, moustaches were allowed, but beards and sideburns were not.
In fact, if you had even a strand of hair sticking out from your chin or neck, you would be pulled up during parades.

I think BMT rule is whatever above lip is private. PA rule is nothing is private. However, PA recruit hair isn't cropped so short like BMT baby durian style, it's short but still combable length.

 

[aangsc]

Yeah man, I think I look like him now if I mess up my hair a bit and stick a ciggie 'tween my lips.

very stylish, can act in martial arts movie, usually very powderful skill like.....beggar sect.

 

[lolabunny]

I'm seriously thinking about it. Hope Lolabunny won't disapprove.

Hey don't drag me into private matters. I'm not your gf!

try growing goatee, use it to rub against a women's breast while making love, she will groan appreciatively.

I used to think goatee was cool then I saw someone who didn't look so great with it. It depends on the individual. Come to think of it, I can't name a single person or celebrity I know who looks great with one.

I pretended to like moustache to piss someone off, but truth is, I like clean shaven. I did think it was amusing (but not that attractive) at one point in my life, but I grew out of it.

It's interesting to see what the guy can turn out like, but I have one rule for my guy's dressing and grooming: do whatever he likes and he doesn't have to please me.

I've dated guys who, dress very differently from the style I was wearing at that time. Say he's into grunge but I liked prep. I was totally fine with it. I'm not one of those girls who wants the guy to dress in a similar style.

If my guy doesn't mind, I'm totally ok with him in tee and berms and me in a dress and heels. If he doesn't mind that is.

On my part, I've tried to accommodate the guy as well. I wouldn't walk around in tee and jeans if he likes me in a dress. In fact, if the guys requests for it, he will get me to wear whatever he likes. I'm comfortable in all styles.

But there's one rule -- nothing tacky or too revealing (especially in public). I don't do deep Versace Vs nor butt crack exposing jeans. I would not bend this rule for any guy.

I do have one mortal weakness when it comes to a guy's appearance, but I can't tell you guys. It's a mortal weakness and it really gets to me. :p

 

[Ramseth]

very stylish, can act in martial arts movie, usually very powderful skill like.....beggar sect.

Maybe can make into new series...少年洪七公！

 

[Ramseth]

Hey don't drag me into private matters. I'm not your gf!

You'll be, soon.

I used to think goatee was cool then I saw someone who didn't look so great with it. It depends on the individual. Come to think of it, I can't name a single person or celebrity I know who looks great with one.

Anwar Ibrahim goatee not bad. Anthony Yeo (RIP) missile goatee was classic.

I pretended to like moustache to piss someone off, but truth is, I like clean shaven. I did think it was amusing (but not that attractive) at one point in my life, but I grew out of it.

OK. I'll shave it off after I get tired of it.

I do have one mortal weakness when it comes to a guy's appearance, but I can't tell you guys. It's a mortal weakness and it really gets to me. :p

I guess must be the eyes.

 

[Spock]

Did I or didn't I? Well, here's the quote verbatim.



Hair grows naturally. It has to be trimmed or shaved by artificial means. How can hair growth be compared to tattooing? I don't quote blindly. Hair and flesh and blood and bones, I got from my parents. Is letting hair grow inflicting harm, is that the point directed? Tattoos? I don't have, whether from parents or elsewhere.

Hey, I do not care if you want to look as hairy as Ah Meng. All I am saying is that using the proverb to justify your action is not appropriate. You are saying that those who cut their hair are disrespecting their parents. That proverb points to body as well, not just hair, in case you are too drunk to notice. Hence, my reference to tattooing and piercing.

If you had meant that statement in jest, I would not have issues with it but you sounded serious in your post.

 

[Ramseth]

If you had meant that statement in jest, I would not have issues with it but you sounded serious in your post.

It was in jest. Even my mom laughed it off and settled with I'd shave it off when I get tired of it. Sorry if I sounded too serious in writing.

 

[jw5]

I think BMT rule is whatever above lip is private. PA rule is nothing is private. However, PA recruit hair isn't cropped so short like BMT baby durian style, it's short but still combable length.

I wasn't referring to BMT time.
It was like that even in unit, if I recall correctly.

 

[Ramseth]

Not that many people are against it, it is just we, chinese does not grow nice moustache, and if you have half bake moustache, it does loks like dirty old man instead of Tom Selek.

All Chinese males didn't shave for thousands of years until the Qing Dynasty. It was just a matter of thick or thin moustache and goatee or beard, all were nice if you appreciate. Thicker doesn't necessarily mean nicer, that's why trimming is required.