MINDEF is in panic mode ...issuing false statement

[Leongsam]

If nobody died during NS I'd be very worried.

Train hard to fight easy.

 

[krafty]

If nobody died during NS I'd be very worried.

Train hard to fight easy.

you think SAF kind of wayang training and simulation will be of any use in real battle, that's naive.

 

[red amoeba]

They aren't gonna accept contractual obligation. Otherwise paralyse, unsound mind caused by NS all have to be borne n fed by MINDEF

 

[halsey02]

Why MINDEF says that family has accept compensation? The top brass in MINDEF should stop it now. Have they not caused enough grief for the family?

Their logic is "This grant, according to the SAF, is not part of the compensation"....they already given a "gua char"....that is already enough compensation..what does the family want ? a gun carriage with the Singapore flag drop over it?..ha ha ha ha

That is the ACCEPTable compensation....means the accepted it..... tai chi!

 

[songsongjurong]

if old Lee was around,he would have dug up all,any skeleton in the deceased family and threaten to make public any "unpaid" taxes, medisave monies, used as bargain chip to bully thrm into silence. lastly, as old Lee would have it, "whats wrong with collecting more money???"

 

[blissquek]

Bargain Hen, wtf are you?

He is clueless...just like his counterpart in Benjamin Lim case...absent and silent for a month and await Parliament sitting to get the parliament privileges and protection before making statements.

 

[winnipegjets]

He is clueless...just like his counterpart in Benjamin Lim case...absent and silent for a month and await Parliament sitting to get the parliament privileges and protection before making statements.

In Parliament, they will then lie and divert the issues.

 

[Leongsam]

you think SAF kind of wayang training and simulation will be of any use in real battle, that's naive.

On the contrary realistic training is the bedrock of all successful missions. Training designed to simulate real world conditions ensures that the necessary skills are in place should the need arise.

Of course if training is dumbed down to the point that there is zero risk, then the effort if pretty much wasted. That is why there should be an acceptable mortality rate during peacetime training.

If nobody dies during training then I worry. It means that the training is not effective enough.

 

[winnipegjets]

On the contrary realistic training is the bedrock of all successful missions. Training designed to simulate real world conditions ensures that the necessary skills are in place should the need arise.

Of course if training is dumbed down to the point that there is zero risk, then the effort if pretty much wasted. That is why there should be an acceptable mortality rate during peacetime training.

If nobody dies during training then I worry. It means that the training is not effective enough.

We serve NS only because we have to. We didn't sell our lives to MINDEF. If MINDEF treats our lives like dirt, why the hell should we serve the country?

 

[krafty]

On the contrary realistic training is the bedrock of all successful missions. Training designed to simulate real world conditions ensures that the necessary skills are in place should the need arise.

Of course if training is dumbed down to the point that there is zero risk, then the effort if pretty much wasted. That is why there should be an acceptable mortality rate during peacetime training.

If nobody dies during training then I worry. It means that the training is not effective enough.

ok boss, you win! you are safti trainer where as me just a local 2nd sergeant arrowed to draw ammo.:o

 

[Satyr]

Bargain Hen, wtf are you?

The court is saying that possible death is something citizens will have to accept when performing national duties. Just like firemen and policemen. The fact you are conscripted is neither here nor there. Death in NS during peacetime will always be through some accident. The law covers MINDEF. Not sure if the parents could have sued the officers directly.

 

[Leongsam]

We serve NS only because we have to. We didn't sell our lives to MINDEF. If MINDEF treats our lives like dirt, why the hell should we serve the country?

That may be your attitude towards NS but I went through my 2.5 years conscientiously not for MINDEF but for the purpose of defending my family, my close friends and my wealth.

If it were not for our strong defences, Singapore would be a sitting duck in a Muslim sea. NS is not for the PAP. The elite amongst them will be the first to jump ship should war occur. NS is for our loved ones and our assets.

 

[Thick Face Black Heart]

That may be your attitude towards NS but I went through my 2.5 years conscientiously not for MINDEF but for the purpose of defending my family, my close friends and my wealth.

If it were not for our strong defences, Singapore would be a sitting duck in a Muslim sea. NS is not for the PAP. The elite amongst them will be the first to jump ship should war occur. NS is for our loved ones and our assets.

Singapore is kept safe not because of NS, but because of US military power in the Pacific region which prevents smaller fries like our neighbours up north and south from having itchy fingers. If not for US patronage, we can spend 20% of our GDP on defence and it won't make a difference.

 

[Leongsam]

Singapore is kept safe not because of NS, but because of US military power in the Pacific region which prevents smaller fries like our neighbours up north and south from having itchy fingers. If not for US patronage, we can spend 20% of our GDP on defence and it won't make a difference.

You give the US far too much credit and Singapore far too little.

By the time the USA came to our rescue it would be far too late. Besides there's no guarantee. They could well cut us loose and seek alliances elsewhere.

 

[Wunderfool]

That may be your attitude towards NS but I went through my 2.5 years conscientiously not for MINDEF but for the purpose of defending my family, my close friends and my wealth.

If it were not for our strong defences, Singapore would be a sitting duck in a Muslim sea. NS is not for the PAP. The elite amongst them will be the first to jump ship should war occur. NS is for our loved ones and our assets.

Well said!

Almost like a prepared speech for the Minister.

 

[GoldenDragon]

The court is saying that possible death is something citizens will have to accept when performing national duties. Just like firemen and policemen. The fact you are conscripted is neither here nor there. Death in NS during peacetime will always be through some accident. The law covers MINDEF. Not sure if the parents could have sued the officers directly.

More palatable if death was the result of victim's negligence but in this particular case, it was negligence on the part of others entrusted to ensure safety through compliance with whatever SOPs etc. If victim was on a peacekeeping mission and killed by enemy fire, it is a different matter altogether.

Firemen and policemen? Fair enough, they may be killed while on-the-job but that is different if those entrusted to guide them were negligent leading to unnecessary loss of lives.
I opine firemen and policemen operate differently from army boys in training. The latter is under 'controlled' environment and such mishaps should not have taken place.

 

[Leongsam]

Well said!

Almost like a prepared speech for the Minister.

A minister would not include the part about he and his family jumping ship.

 

[Wunderfool]

A minister would not include the part about he and his family jumping ship.

Sam is the best! Always catches the slip.

 

[Satyr]

More palatable if death was the result of victim's negligence but in this particular case, it was negligence on the part of others entrusted to ensure safety through compliance with whatever SOPs etc. If victim was on a peacekeeping mission and killed by enemy fire, it is a different matter altogether.

Firemen and policemen? Fair enough, they may be killed while on-the-job but that is different if those entrusted to guide them were negligent leading to unnecessary loss of lives.
I opine firemen and policemen operate differently from army boys in training. The latter is under 'controlled' environment and such mishaps should not have taken place.

I do agree it is an unfair system. But people seem to agree with it. Which opposition member took up the cause ? Only CSJ, and he will pay a heavy price.

 

[steffychun]

No compensation from SAF accepted, says family of Pte Dominique Sarron Lee

The family of the late Private Dominique Sarron Lee has clarified that they have not accepted any compensation from the Singapore Armed Forces (SAF), following a statement released by the Singapore Army yesterday (Mar 7).

In a post published on a Facebook page dedicated to Lee on Mar 8, the family said: "(We have) repeatedly rejected offers from MINDEF/SAF to discuss monetary compensation.

"We have only accepted a funeral grant to defray the cost of the funeral, on the same day Dominique was sent back home in a coffin.

"This grant, according to the SAF, is not part of the compensation.

I say again win google "daryl loh" "navy". Mindef cares.