Mass shooting guess which country!!!!

[laksaboy]

Well, at least the shooter has a great taste in music.

This was one of the songs played when he was removing kebabs.

 

[PTADER]

Do you have any credible, scholastic source that most moslems are not sympathetic towards islamic terrorists, and their extremist goals of persecuting non-moslems and women through shariah?

What a silly little fuck.

Hello General John Tan, heroic slaughterer of 5,000 Muslims and Singapore's most bemedalled General, when you make an assertion, it is for you to prove it. It is not for others to disprove it.

I am starting to suspect that you got your Generalship and war medals from Sungei Road and not MINDEF.

 

[laksaboy]

 

[syed putra]

Not all muslims are believers and submitters. There are no instruction in the quran to indulge in rituals, like the haj and 5 daily prayers or fridays prayers. These came later when islam became a religion.
Anyway, prophet mohamad, if he existed, did not publish the quran. It was written by " others" purpotedly from memory what prophet mohamad said.
The arabs saw the jews and christians and wanted a religion of their own. So they created religious hiearchy, clerics, administrators. Based on jewish myths just as in the bible and torah.
When the arabs were expanding initially, they were not even talking about religion, nor trying to convert others. No mosques were built in jerusalem until much later. That is why early so called muslim empire was succesful, as it was embracing every culture snd knowledge and making use of the best talent irrespective of race and faith. And how others saw the goodness of the arabian system and embraced it. But somehow, it became a oppressive religion of zero tolerance along the way.
I would blame thus on saab leaders with dictatorship tendencies using religion to grip on to power and remove challengers and opponents and threats.

 

[Devil Within]

Instead of providing all these videos which I neither have the time to watch, nor search for and post "counter-videos" as a response, or research into the background of the pundits and producers (which are more important than the content they produced), why don't you simply state upfront what you have to state?

That is not my problem if you are too lazy to spent time finding out what is true. If you want to remain stupid, be my guest. The answer is out there in video put it out very clearly by re-known scholars and researcher in their own rights.

You are not interested to find the truth, you only wanted to find excuses to side step / beat around the bush the issues discussed as can be seen in your many post with other forumer..

 

[PTADER]

That is not my problem if you are too lazy to spent time finding out what is true. If you want to remain stupid, be my guest. The answer is out there in video put it out very clearly by re-known scholars and researcher in their own rights.

You are not interested to find the truth, you only wanted to find excuses to side step / beat around the bush the issues discussed as can be seen in your many post with other forumer..

I would have gone through your videos if they had been posted by someone credible. I consider you one of the less credible and weaker forummers, given to bitching endlessly. The fact you had to include "other forumer (sic)" as a walking stick to try to prop up what you say proves my view about you: you are weak. You are unable to stand independently on you own two feet.

Tell you what. Instead of trying to out-whites the whites and spending time bitching endlessly about Muslims, precious time in which you could otherwise use to prove what a big, brave boy you are, why don't you walk your talk. Instead of bitching endlessly about Muslims, the PAP, etc, why don't you show some balls, join five star General John Tan and slaughter the Muslims you hate and despise so much? General John Tan's body count is 5,000.

If you match General John Tan's body count, I promise to watch your videos. Do we have a deal?

Or are you simply a gutless Sinkie fuck, reduced to a pathetic, miserable life of not daring to walk your talk but only daring to bitch and whine like a hero behind a keyboard and hoping some stupid Sinkie fuck will be egged on to do that which you have no balls to do yourself?

If you are a gutless fuck, I am sorry but I won't be convinced that the videos posted by a gutless coward like you are worth my time.

Radicalised fucks like you are why the PAP will continue to be in power for the next 50 years. Unlike other radicals and very fortunately for Singapore, you are a half-fucked radical. Gutless and brainless. All talk in your own echo chamber and no walk outside the chamber.

 

[syed putra]

The mind of those steep in religious belief is difficult to change as they have been brain washed since young. Anything that runs contrary to what they have been taught will be ignored or discarded as nonsense even if its written by prominent historians or common sense.
Killing is forbidden for believers, but the jihadist will tell you its kosher. Permissible. Even raping a young non muslim girl is permmisible if you discard common sense.

Slavery is allowed in religion but not practised anymore as it is unjust.
Same with child marriages. It is unjust but some would simply ignore saying its allowed.and should not be taught anymore in religious classes.

 

[laksaboy]

 

[syed putra]

Why didn't abu sayaf video their church bombing in jolo island?

 

[JohnTan]

Would it have been okay for your parents, brothers, sisters and other family members to have been sentenced to prison in your place instead for the crime you committed?I

Islam does this all the time. Don't moslems teach in their madrassahs and mosques that christians are their enemies because of the events of the Crusades centuries ago? Don't moslems wage war against christians at all levels, from jihads to persecution from petty officials, to imams regularly stirring up blasphemy mobs to attack churches?

 

[whoami]

Thanks for your reply. But it seems the verses I have mentioned above do not really point to a defensive posture. It teaches an all out slaughter of Jews and Christians until no other religion is left except Islam. Those verses seem to be the main guiding principles that have caught hold of more and more muslims today, not those that teaches compassion, kindness and peaceful existence which you referred to.

As i had mention that period was a warring era. Prophet mission by Allah is to spread the message of Islam. Prophet facing tremendous pain, trial and difficulties. Not just the Quraysh...but the Jews and Xtians were making things difficult for the Prophet. They find ways and means to kill the prophet. There were hypocrites among the "Muslims" converts. So the Prophet have to eliminate them before they are being eliminated. Its war! U actually have to read thru the whole passage or chapter and context to fully understand the whole issue. The Jews and xtians are people of the books. God teaches us throughout the Quran that there are righteous Jews and Christians. As such there is no prohibition for Muslims to be friends with Jews, Christians or people of any other faith who are of good character.

The jews and xtians and muslims were known as People of the Book. That means we share the same God.

[Quran 60:8] God does not enjoin you from befriending those who do not fight you because of religion, and do not evict you from your homes. You may befriend them and be equitable towards them. God loves the equitable.
[Quran 60:9] God enjoins you only from befriending those who fight you because of religion, evict you from your homes, and band together with others to banish you. You shall not befriend them. Those who befriend them are the transgressors.

https://submission.org/Befriending_Christians_Jews.html
https://www.islamicity.org/4659/can-muslims-be-friends-with-jews-and-christians/

Lets just deal with Q2:191 "Kill them whenever u find them...."

Quran 2:191 – “And kill them wherever you find them…”​

Critics as usual apply ‘cut and choose’ approach with regards to this passage (Quran 2:191). They only quote, “And kill them wherever you find them…(2:191). However, when we read the passage in its context (2:190-195) it says opposite what they portray of the verse.

Quran 2:190 – 195

2:190 Fight in the way of God those who fight you but do not transgress. Indeed. God does not like transgressors.
2:191 And kill them wherever you find them and expel them from wherever they have expelled you, and fitnah [Persecution] is worse than killing. And do not fight them at al-Masjid al- Haram until they fight you there. But if they fight you, then kill them. Such is the recompense of the disbelievers.
2:192 And if they cease, then indeed, God is Forgiving and Merciful.
2:193 Fight them until there is no [more] fitnah [Persecution] and [until] worship is for God. But if they cease, then there is to be no aggression except against the oppressors.
2:194 [Fighting in] the sacred month is for [aggression committed in] the sacred month, and for [all] violations is legal retribution. So whoever has assaulted you, then assault him in the same way that he has assaulted you. And fear God and know that God is with those who fear Him.
2:195 And spend in the way of God and do not throw [yourselves] with your [own] hands into destruction [by refraining]. And do good; indeed, God loves the doers of good.

It’s important whenever one reads a Quranic verse, to read it in its context. As you have read, critics only quote the part which suites them, they isolate previous verses and the ones after. When the passage is examined in context, it is clear that nowhere does it sanction the killing of innocent people. From verse 2:190 to 2:195, when read, Allah makes it evident to fight those only who fight them, fighting in self-defence.

Another thing some love to do with the verse is, change the Arabic word’s meaning. Example, the Arabic word ‘Fitna’ used in 2:191 and 2:193, they deceptively have translated the word as ‘disbelief’. So, when it’s read in that perspective, the passage is implying to fight to those who are disbelievers, just because of their religion. This again when we examine it, it will turn out to be a lie. The Arabic word ‘Fitnah’ means ‘persecution’, ‘corruption’, ‘sedition’. But when the word ‘Fitnah’ is used in verse 2:191 and 2:193 it means ‘persecution’.

Non-Muslim Translation

Arthur John Arberry

2:191 And slay them wherever you come upon them, and expel them from where they expelled you; persecution is more grievous than slaying. But fight them not by the Holy Mosque until they should fight you there; then, if they fight you, slay them — such is the recompense of unbelievers.




The Arabic word for disbelief is ‘kufr’. The following Definition(s) on the Arabic word ‘Fitna’.

Associate Professor of Arabic and Islamic Studies Hayrettin Yücesoy writes

“One of the most frequently mentioned portents of the end of time in Muslim prophecies is civil disorder, fitna. Yet contrary to what one might expect, in none of the many instances in which the term fitna (civil disorder) is mentioned in the Quran is it connected to end of time events. In the Qur’anic text, fitna refers to a sort of trial: “And know that your wealth and your children are a trial [fitna], and that with God is a mighty wage.” In other verses, the term connotes discord, controversy, and dissension: “As for those in whose hearts is swerving, they follow the ambiguous part, desiring dissension [fitna], and seeking to explain it; and none knows its meaning, save only God.” Fitna may also mean seduction: “Children of Adan! Let not satan tempt, [v. yaftatin], you as he brought your parents out of the Garden, stripping them of their garments to show them their shameful parts.” On other occasions, it describes chaos and civil disorder: “As for the unbelievers, they are friends one of another. Unless you do this, there will be strife [fitna] in the land and great corruption.” Finally it refers to plotting and acts of conspiracy: “Had they gone forth among you, they would only have increased you in trouble, and run to and fro in your midst, seeking to stir up sedition [fitna] between you; and some of you would listen to them; and God knows the evildoers.” A similar meaning is given in the following verses, where conspiracy against the community and its social and religious status quo is condemned: Persecution [fitna] is more grievous than slaying. But fight them not by the Holy Mosque until they should fight you there; then if they fight you, slay them- such is the recompose of unbelievers.” Even the ban on fighting during the holy months is lifted in cases of the greater danger of persecution: “Fighting in it is a heinous thing, but to bar from God’s way, and disbelief in him, and the Holy Mosque, and to expel its people from it- that is more heinous in God’s sight; and persecution [fitna] is more heinous than slaying.” [1]

Ibn Kathir, Tafsir Ibn Kathir,

“Concerning the verse “If two groups of believers fall to fighting” Q. 49.9) and “fight against them until there is no ‘fitnah’” (Q.2:193), he answered: “We done all this in the time of Prophet. At that time, we came minority so that a Moslem was be faced by fitnah in his religion, either he would be killed or would be the victim of oppression. When the Moslem community grows as powerful adherents, killing oppression has gone.” Based on this argument, we can conclude that ‘fitnah’ should be defined as any oppression or forcing Moslem to do or not to do something against his rights as human being; all this being ratio legis or cause to proclaim fight against oppressor or those who want to kill them.” [2]

Arabic-English Dictionary of Qur’anic Usage. Elsaid M. Badawi and Muhammad Abdel Haleem,

“f-t-n to purify gold and silver by smelting them; to burn; to put to the test, to afflict (in particular as a means of testing someone’s endurance); to disrupt the peace of a community; to tempt, to seduce, to allure, to infatuate. Of this root, six forms occur 60 times in the Qur’an fatana 17 times futina six times; futun once; maftun once and fitnatun 34 times.
fitnatun [n.] 1 test (8:28) your possessions and your children are only a test 2 affliction, trial (22:11) but if a trial befalls him, he reverts to his old ways [lit. falls flat on his face, turns back to front] 3 persecution (2:191) and drive them out from where they drove you out, for persecution is more serious than killing 4 dissension, discord, civil unrest, infighting, mutiny (9:47) they would have scurried around in your midst, trying to sow discord among you 5 temptation, allurement (2:102) yet they [both] never taught anyone until they first said, ‘we are but a temptation-do not [fall for us and] reject the faith’ 6 treachery, defection, desertion (33:14) but if it [the city] had been entered from [all] its sides, with them in it, and they were asked to commit treachery, they would have committed it.” [3]​

Arabic-English Lexicon,Edward William Lane commenting on the Arabic word ‘Fitna’,



[4]
In conclusion, as we have examined the Arabic word ‘fitna’, and the context of passage, the verse does not promote the killing of innocent people. As shown, the passage shows that Muslims were allowed to fight those who were persecuting the Muslims, 1400 years ago. In other words, the passage sanctioned fighting in self-defence. [5] [6]

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“Shirk Or Persecution – What does The Word Fitna Mean?”

References:
[1] Messianic Beliefs and Imperial Politics in Medieval Islam: The ʻAbbāsid Caliphate in the Early Ninth Century [Copyright 2009] By Hayrettin Yücesoy page 37 – 38
[2] See Ibn Kathir, Tafsir Ibn Kathir (Beirut: Dar al-Fikr, 1986), volume, page 227 – 229.
[3] Arabic-English Dictionary of Qur’anic Usage: By Elsaid M. Badawi and Muhammad Abdel Haleem page 693
[4] Arabic-English Lexicon by Edward William Lane (London: Willams & Norgate 1863) Book 1, page 2335
[5] the classical scholar Al-Mawardi in his commentary on Quran 2:190 states:
“(but do not transgress), which means do not assault and transgress against those who are not fighting and do not kill women and children.” (Min Rawai’ al-Tafasir al-Nukat wa al-`Uyuun by al-Mawardi, volume 1, page 251)
[6] Muhammad al-Nasaafi:
“We should not transgress by initiating the fighting and not fight those who are not fighting from among the women, children, elders and so forth.” (Madarik al-tanzil wa-haqa’iq al-ta’wil, by Muhammed al-Nasaafi, volume 1, page 165).

https://discover-the-truth.com/2014/08/12/quran-2191-and-kill-them-wherever-you-find-them-explained/

 

[PTADER]

Islam does this all the time. Don't moslems teach in their madrassahs and mosques that christians are their enemies because of the events of the Crusades centuries ago? Don't moslems wage war against christians at all levels, from jihads to persecution from petty officials, to imams regularly stirring up blasphemy mobs to attack churches?

General John Tan, I was asking the other chap the question, not you. He is unlike you. He had to spend time in prison for some minor crime while you are awarded National Day war medals and hailed as a hero for single-handledly slaughtering 5,000 Muslims.

Any chance you can reveal when you are going launch your battle plans to achieve a 10,000 Muslim body count? The world is counting on a big, brave boy like you to keep it safe.

 

[Leongsam]

These Ang Moh liberals and the politicians that represent them are nothing but a bunch of hypocrites.

All this outpouring of grief just because some Ang Moh gunned down 50 muslims.

In the meantime the Chinese government is busy slaughtering thousands of Muslims on a weekly basis yet they're all lining up to kiss Eleven's arse.

It just goes to show that it's easy to offer condolences and express shock and grief when it is politically convenient to do so. However when a country depends economically on a foreign nation outrage can be conveniently be put on the back burner while politicians trip over each other trying to curry favor with countries they depend upon.

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Uyghur Muslims: Victims of the World’s Largest Ethnic Cleansing.

CJ WerlemanFollow
Jan 10, 2018

(Pic via Radio Free Asia)
Published by CJ Werleman Independent, a crowdfunded investigative journalism project that seeks to expose and end Western injustices against Muslims. Please SUPPORT his fight against injustice by clicking here.

China is carrying out a systematic campaign to ethnically cleanse up to 15 million Uyghur Muslims in Xinjiang, or rather what was East Turkistan until China began occupying and colonizing the region in 1949.

Moreover, China is sparing no effort to eradicate any memory or proof of Uyghur Muslim life. It is truly the stuff of dystopian nightmares, or a reenactment of the worst genocides carried out in the previous century. The handful of personal accounts that trickle out from behind China’s total control of the Internet and the media invoke memories of the Communist state’s darkest days — the period of the “Cultural revolution,” when religious people and sites were wiped from the country’s landscape.

For much of the 1970s and 80s, however, an increasingly open China softened its stance towards its religious and ethnic minorities, but this relative “openness” provided the space for minorities to express their economic, political, and religious grievances. When Uyghur Muslims renewed calls for a return to their independence, a status they enjoyed briefly as a sovereign state in the 1940, then known as the East Turkistan Republic, and as former neighboring Soviet states realized independence, China, fearing a growing separatist movement on its western frontier, began its crackdown on Xinjiang in the late 1990s.

China’s crackdown turned increasingly vicious when the United States declared its “War on Terrorism” in 2001, with China seizing the opportunity to erroneously portray Uyghur Muslims as one-part of the global Islamic insurgency, going so far to tie Uyghur nationalist dreams with the goals of the terror group al-Qaeda. In doing so, China gambled that it could pretty much do whatever it pleased to Uyghur Muslims, so long as it could dupe Western states into believing it, too, was at war with “radical Islam.” It’s the exact same kind of manipulative ploy successfully deployed by Israel, insofar as the manner the Jewish state mischievously conflates the Palestinian liberation struggle with “Islamic terrorism,” so it’s not like China needed to reinvent the proverbial wheel.

What began as a crackdown, however, has morphed into arguably the world’s largest state sponsored campaign of ethnic cleansing.

China has banned any form of expression of Islam in East Turkistan, forcing Uyghur Muslims to publicly denounce their faith and swear allegiance to the Communist state. Recently I posted on Twitter a video of Chinese authorities informing a group of Uyghur Muslims that it is now illegal for them to greet one another with the Islamic greeting, “Assalamu Alaykum.”

Islamic texts are also banned, including the Quran, as are beards that appear “abnormal,” i.e. too Muslim-y. Last year, China published a document titled, “Naming Rules for Ethnic Minorities,” which prohibits names associated with Islam, including Medina, Islam, Imam, Medina, Hajj, and others.

“In setting limits on the naming of Uyghurs, the Chinese government is in fact engaging in political persecution under another guise,” Dilxat Raxit, spokesman for the exile World Uyghur Congress group, told Radio Free Asia. “They are afraid that people with such names will become alienated from Chinese policies in the region.”

These are just a sample of a new tranche of restrictive and discriminatory measures that have come into force for those living in the region. Uyghur Muslims are now required by the government to have tracking devices installed on their cars and mobile phones.

But baby names, beards, and tracking devices are the least of problems faced by Uyghur Muslims in the face of brutal Chinese oppression, however. Torture, imprisonment, state sanctioned murder and forced disappearances have become the new reality in the Xinjiang area.

According to reports from human rights watchers, China has ordered its officials in Xinjiang to send almost half of its population to “re-education camps,” otherwise known as forced labor and indoctrination camps, the kind long associated with North Korea.

“We target people who are religious…for example, those who grow beards despite being young,” one Chinese government officer admitted in a report.

When I spoke to Abdugheni Thabit, a Uyghur Muslim journalist who now resides in The Netherlands, he told me that up to 1 million of his people are now in what he calls “prison camps.” Steven Zhang, a Hui Muslim who now lives in Houston, Texas, and who is suing the Chinese government for the murder of his Uyghur Muslim wife, described Thabit’s figure as “very conservative,” claiming, “Within the last 5 years at least 5 million Uyghurs were detained or secretly disappeared.”

Forced disappearances have become a notable and alarming trend in the past year or two. According to Chinese Human Rights Defenders, Chinese security forces have forcibly disappeared at least 26 journalists, writers, bloggers, and human rights activists alone.

“Victims are often violently abducted, denied their right to due legal process and contact with loved ones or lawyers, and are at high risk of torture while in custody,” observes The Uyghur American Association.

All of which is happening out of the gaze of the international community, thanks largely to China’s control of the Internet and social media. Thabit told me he hadn’t heard from his Uyghur Muslim family in East Turkistan since 2009 as China controls all form of communication coming out of the area. All he knows is they were still alive in 2014, the year his sister, who lives in Washington DC, visited. Again, parallels to North Korea come to mind.

The situation in Xinjiang has “further deteriorated,” according to a statementissued by the US Congressional Executive Commission on China (CECC) earlier this month.

“Civilians are detained without cause, ‘political education’ camps proliferate, and a vast surveillance apparatus invades every aspect of daily life. These rights violations are deeply troubling and risk serving as a catalyst for radicalization,” said CECC chairman Sen. Marco Rubio (R-FL).

Adding to the woes of Uygur Muslims is the absence of a friend anywhere in the international system. Traditional allies Turkey and Pakistan have been brought into China’s sphere of economic influence, and wealthy Gulf Arab states are too preoccupied with Iran, Qatar, or both.

If history is a guide, and should the existential woes of the Uyghur Muslims continue to fall on the disinterested ears of the international community, then one can be sure that where Chinese “re-education” and “assimilation” programs fail, mass extermination will likely follow.

 

[whoami]

It is complex because it is inconsistent in its teachings and supposedly teaches things like the earth is flat and the sun sets in a pond. Confused writers who didn't know better, because they lived in ancient times. With any "holy teachings", people will twist and interpret words to suit their agenda. No image of the prophet is allowed? Perhaps to add to Islam's allure and mystic?

From day 1 Ur God is One God. No images allow. As for prophets....look at the churches. Have churches of Jesus and virgin mary images. Tat one God disapprove totally.

 

[whoami]

These Ang Moh liberals and the politicians that represent them are nothing but a bunch of hypocrites.

All this outpouring of grief just because some Ang Moh gunned down 50 muslims.

In the meantime the Chinese government is busy slaughtering thousands of Muslims on a weekly basis yet they're all lining up to kiss Eleven's arse.

It just goes to show that it's easy to offer condolences and express shock and grief when it is politically convenient to do so. However when a country depends economically on a foreign nation outrage is conveniently shelved in favor of cock sucking.

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Uyghur Muslims: Victims of the World’s Largest Ethnic Cleansing.
[IMG]https://cdn-images-1.medium.com/fit/c/100/100/0*ErOa8cmwB3217qFZ.jpg[/IMG]
CJ WerlemanFollow
Jan 10, 2018

(Pic via Radio Free Asia)
Published by CJ Werleman Independent, a crowdfunded investigative journalism project that seeks to expose and end Western injustices against Muslims. Please SUPPORT his fight against injustice by clicking here.

China is carrying out a systematic campaign to ethnically cleanse up to 15 million Uyghur Muslims in Xinjiang, or rather what was East Turkistan until China began occupying and colonizing the region in 1949.

Moreover, China is sparing no effort to eradicate any memory or proof of Uyghur Muslim life. It is truly the stuff of dystopian nightmares, or a reenactment of the worst genocides carried out in the previous century. The handful of personal accounts that trickle out from behind China’s total control of the Internet and the media invoke memories of the Communist state’s darkest days — the period of the “Cultural revolution,” when religious people and sites were wiped from the country’s landscape.

For much of the 1970s and 80s, however, an increasingly open China softened its stance towards its religious and ethnic minorities, but this relative “openness” provided the space for minorities to express their economic, political, and religious grievances. When Uyghur Muslims renewed calls for a return to their independence, a status they enjoyed briefly as a sovereign state in the 1940, then known as the East Turkistan Republic, and as former neighboring Soviet states realized independence, China, fearing a growing separatist movement on its western frontier, began its crackdown on Xinjiang in the late 1990s.

China’s crackdown turned increasingly vicious when the United States declared its “War on Terrorism” in 2001, with China seizing the opportunity to erroneously portray Uyghur Muslims as one-part of the global Islamic insurgency, going so far to tie Uyghur nationalist dreams with the goals of the terror group al-Qaeda. In doing so, China gambled that it could pretty much do whatever it pleased to Uyghur Muslims, so long as it could dupe Western states into believing it, too, was at war with “radical Islam.” It’s the exact same kind of manipulative ploy successfully deployed by Israel, insofar as the manner the Jewish state mischievously conflates the Palestinian liberation struggle with “Islamic terrorism,” so it’s not like China needed to reinvent the proverbial wheel.

What began as a crackdown, however, has morphed into arguably the world’s largest state sponsored campaign of ethnic cleansing.

China has banned any form of expression of Islam in East Turkistan, forcing Uyghur Muslims to publicly denounce their faith and swear allegiance to the Communist state. Recently I posted on Twitter a video of Chinese authorities informing a group of Uyghur Muslims that it is now illegal for them to greet one another with the Islamic greeting, “Assalamu Alaykum.”

Islamic texts are also banned, including the Quran, as are beards that appear “abnormal,” i.e. too Muslim-y. Last year, China published a document titled, “Naming Rules for Ethnic Minorities,” which prohibits names associated with Islam, including Medina, Islam, Imam, Medina, Hajj, and others.

“In setting limits on the naming of Uyghurs, the Chinese government is in fact engaging in political persecution under another guise,” Dilxat Raxit, spokesman for the exile World Uyghur Congress group, told Radio Free Asia. “They are afraid that people with such names will become alienated from Chinese policies in the region.”

These are just a sample of a new tranche of restrictive and discriminatory measures that have come into force for those living in the region. Uyghur Muslims are now required by the government to have tracking devices installed on their cars and mobile phones.

But baby names, beards, and tracking devices are the least of problems faced by Uyghur Muslims in the face of brutal Chinese oppression, however. Torture, imprisonment, state sanctioned murder and forced disappearances have become the new reality in the Xinjiang area.

According to reports from human rights watchers, China has ordered its officials in Xinjiang to send almost half of its population to “re-education camps,” otherwise known as forced labor and indoctrination camps, the kind long associated with North Korea.

“We target people who are religious…for example, those who grow beards despite being young,” one Chinese government officer admitted in a report.

When I spoke to Abdugheni Thabit, a Uyghur Muslim journalist who now resides in The Netherlands, he told me that up to 1 million of his people are now in what he calls “prison camps.” Steven Zhang, a Hui Muslim who now lives in Houston, Texas, and who is suing the Chinese government for the murder of his Uyghur Muslim wife, described Thabit’s figure as “very conservative,” claiming, “Within the last 5 years at least 5 million Uyghurs were detained or secretly disappeared.”

Forced disappearances have become a notable and alarming trend in the past year or two. According to Chinese Human Rights Defenders, Chinese security forces have forcibly disappeared at least 26 journalists, writers, bloggers, and human rights activists alone.

“Victims are often violently abducted, denied their right to due legal process and contact with loved ones or lawyers, and are at high risk of torture while in custody,” observes The Uyghur American Association.

All of which is happening out of the gaze of the international community, thanks largely to China’s control of the Internet and social media. Thabit told me he hadn’t heard from his Uyghur Muslim family in East Turkistan since 2009 as China controls all form of communication coming out of the area. All he knows is they were still alive in 2014, the year his sister, who lives in Washington DC, visited. Again, parallels to North Korea come to mind.

The situation in Xinjiang has “further deteriorated,” according to a statementissued by the US Congressional Executive Commission on China (CECC) earlier this month.

“Civilians are detained without cause, ‘political education’ camps proliferate, and a vast surveillance apparatus invades every aspect of daily life. These rights violations are deeply troubling and risk serving as a catalyst for radicalization,” said CECC chairman Sen. Marco Rubio (R-FL).

Adding to the woes of Uygur Muslims is the absence of a friend anywhere in the international system. Traditional allies Turkey and Pakistan have been brought into China’s sphere of economic influence, and wealthy Gulf Arab states are too preoccupied with Iran, Qatar, or both.

If history is a guide, and should the existential woes of the Uyghur Muslims continue to fall on the disinterested ears of the international community, then one can be sure that where Chinese “re-education” and “assimilation” programs fail, mass extermination will likely follow.

Ayah Sam. Now than u know politician are hypocrites. Ehhhh....ur dotard even cover up for SA...on the murder of journalist

 

[Leongsam]

China’s Gulag for Muslims

In modern-day “re-education” prisons, Beijing is forcing ethnic Uighurs to forsake their religion. Why don’t Muslim governments rise up in anger?


By Mustafa Akyol
Contributing Opinion Writer

• Jan. 2, 2019
  
  

A protester at a rally in Banda Aceh, Indonesia, in support of ethnic Uighur Muslims in China. Uighurs in China are being forced into “re-education” camps for indoctrination.CreditEuropean Pressphoto Agency, via Shutterstock

A protester at a rally in Banda Aceh, Indonesia, in support of ethnic Uighur Muslims in China. Uighurs in China are being forced into “re-education” camps for indoctrination.CreditCreditEuropean Pressphoto Agency, via Shutterstock

One of the darkest episodes of the 20th century was the gulag — the Soviet system of forced labor camps where dissidents were imprisoned in terrible conditions, often to perish. The camps were established by Lenin, expanded by Stalin and finally exposed to the world by the great Russian author Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, with his 1973 masterpiece, “The Gulag Archipelago.”

“Thin strands of human lives stretch from island to island of Archipelago,” he wrote, and “it is enough if you don’t freeze in the cold, and if thirst and hunger don’t claw at your insides.”

Today, Russia’s gulags are long gone, as is the Communist Party of the Soviet Union that operated them. But now another dictatorship, ruled by another Communist Party, is operating a new chain of prisons that evoke memory of the gulags — more modern, more high-tech, but no less enslaving.

These are China’s “re-education camps,” established in the far-western Xinjiang region, where up to a million Chinese are reportedly imprisoned in order to be indoctrinated. People are forced to listen to ideological lectures, sing hymns praising the Chinese Communist Party and write “self-criticism” essays. Survivors also tell aboutmilitary-style discipline, sleep deprivation, solitary confinement, beatings and torture.

The target of this mass persecution is China’s Muslim minorities — especially the Uighurs, a Turkic-speaking people based in Xinjiang. They follow a mainstream, moderate interpretation of Sunni Islam. But that is enough of a “mental illness” for Chinese Communists, whose ideology considers all religions, including Christianity, to be backward superstitions that must be diluted and nationalized. That is why they go as far as forbidding people from having beards or fasting during Ramadan, and forcing them to consume pork and alcohol, both of which are forbidden in Islam.

Chinese authorities say they are alarmed about extremists among the Uighurs — and, in fact, a handful of terrorists have carried out attacks against government targets over the years. But those extremists arose partly in response to a decades-old policy of subjugation, along with ethnic colonialization, that Beijing has pursued against the Uighurs. That history suggests that Beijing’s current “counterterrorism” campaign will be only counterproductive — deepening a vicious cycle that authoritarian minds are often unable to understand, let alone break.

And here is the strangest aspect of this story: China’s “re-education” policy is a major attack on Muslim people and their faith, Islam, yet the Muslim world has remained largely silent. While the policy has been condemned by human rights groups and the liberal news media in the West, along with Uighur organizations themselves, only a few Muslim leaders, like the Malaysian politician Anwar Ibrahim and Pakistan’s minister of religion, Noorul Haq Qadri, have raised some public concerns. Not until last month did the Organization of Islamic Cooperation finally express concern about “the disturbing reports on the treatment of Muslims” by China.

That is all very meek given how grim the situation is — and how it compares to what we would have seen if the same persecution had been carried out by some other country, such as, say, Israel.

Why is that? Why are Muslim leaders, especially those who love to be the champions of oppressed Muslims, so lenient toward China?

There are three answers. One is that coziness with China, the world’s second-largest economic power, pays. China is the top trading partner of 20 of the 57 member states of the Organization of Islamic Cooperation. Its ambitious Belt and Road Initiative, a huge path of commercial and transportation infrastructure intended to pass through much of the Middle East, holds a lucrative promise for many Muslim nations.

Moreover, China does not shy away from offering its economic assistance as hush money. In July 2018, The Global Times, the mouthpiece of the Chinese Communist Party, ran an interesting editorial suggesting that China’s government would help Turkey secure its “economic stability” — but only if Turkish officials stopped making “irresponsible remarks on the ethnic policy in Xinjiang,” which means stop criticizing China’s human rights violations. (At about the same time, Germany’s chancellor, Angela Merkel, was also promisingto help the Turkish economy, but only if Turkey corrected its own human rights violations. In other words, Turkey was being pulled in opposite directions, and, sadly, the dark side has proved stronger so far.)

A second reason for Muslim silence is that the Chinese government crackdown on Uighurs is based on a premise that law and order can be restored by eradicating enemies of the government and traitors within a society. This is authoritarian language that most Muslim leaders understand well. It is their own language.

The third reason is that most Muslims who are likely to feel solidarity with their oppressed coreligionists think of the oppressors as “the West,” defined as the capitalist, hedonist, Zionist civilization led by the Great Satan. These Muslims, particularly the Islamists, believe that all of their coreligionists should unite with other anti-Western forces — a stance that evokes Samuel Huntington’s prediction of a “Confucian-Islamic” alliance against the West in his 1993 article in “Foreign Affairs” titled “The Clash of Civilizations?”

For Muslim autocrats and Islamists, a Confucian-Islamic alliance may still be alluring. China can look like a great model, in which the economy grows without Western nuisances like human rights, free speech or limited government. For Muslim societies, however, the Uighur crisis must be a wake-up call. It shows what can happen to Muslims when authoritarian governments embrace Islamophobia as state policy.

 

[Xisiqomelir]

Can we embed webm files?

Because 8ch is coming up with some wild ones

 

[rushifa666]

Somali refugee hijacks kiwi plane. Who remembered? That was even more dangerous that this nonsense.

 

[rushifa666]

I thought too... but now I am stunned. If you think of NZ, the last thing on your mind is terrorism and war. Look at their beautiful nature.. serene lakes and rolling pastures. Is not that a reflection of the New Zealanders ... beautiful and peaceful people ?

On reflection, I reckon if there is no gun law in Singapore, this country too will be ravaged by extremists and madmen.

5 guns bought LEGALLY. American cowboys also say kiwis are juts

 

[Hypocrite-The]

Because those groups don't go around and demand their host to change their customs to accommodate migrant's cultures by demanding Sharia Laws and Halal this, Halal that.

U need to add...want burqa n pray 5 times a day etc..n the list goes on