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Background: Containment of the COVID-19 pandemic requires evidence-based strategies to reduce transmission. 11 Because COVID-19 can spread via respired droplets, many states have mandated mask use in public settings. 12 Randomized control trials have not clearly demonstrated mask efficacy against respiratory viruses, and 13 observational studies conflict on whether mask use predicts lower infection rates. We hypothesized that statewide 14 mask mandates and mask use are associated with lower COVID-19 case growth rates in the United States. 15 Methods: We calculated total COVID-19 case growth and mask use for the continental United States with data from 16 the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation. We estimated post-17 mask mandate case growth in non-mandate states using median issuance dates of neighboring states with mandates. 18 Results: Case growth was not significantly different between mandate and non-mandate states at low or high 19 transmission rates, and surges were equivocal. Mask use predicted lower case growth at low, but not high 20 transmission rates. Growth rates were comparable between states in the first and last mask use quintiles adjusted for 21 normalized total cases early in the pandemic and unadjusted after peak Fall-Winter infections. Mask use did not 22 predict Summer 2020 case growth for non-Northeast states or Fall-Winter 2020 growth for all continental states. 23 Conclusions: Mask mandates and use are not associated with slower state-level COVID-19 spread during COVID-24 19 growth surges. Containment requires future research and implementation of existing efficacious strategies. 25 26 Keywords: COVID-19, SARS-CoV-2, face covering, medical mask, mask mandate, nonpharmaceutical intervention

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.05.18.21257385v1.full.pdf
 
Background: Containment of the COVID-19 pandemic requires evidence-based strategies to reduce transmission. 11 Because COVID-19 can spread via respired droplets, many states have mandated mask use in public settings. 12 Randomized control trials have not clearly demonstrated mask efficacy against respiratory viruses, and 13 observational studies conflict on whether mask use predicts lower infection rates. We hypothesized that statewide 14 mask mandates and mask use are associated with lower COVID-19 case growth rates in the United States. 15 Methods: We calculated total COVID-19 case growth and mask use for the continental United States with data from 16 the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation. We estimated post-17 mask mandate case growth in non-mandate states using median issuance dates of neighboring states with mandates. 18 Results: Case growth was not significantly different between mandate and non-mandate states at low or high 19 transmission rates, and surges were equivocal. Mask use predicted lower case growth at low, but not high 20 transmission rates. Growth rates were comparable between states in the first and last mask use quintiles adjusted for 21 normalized total cases early in the pandemic and unadjusted after peak Fall-Winter infections. Mask use did not 22 predict Summer 2020 case growth for non-Northeast states or Fall-Winter 2020 growth for all continental states. 23 Conclusions: Mask mandates and use are not associated with slower state-level COVID-19 spread during COVID-24 19 growth surges. Containment requires future research and implementation of existing efficacious strategies. 25 26 Keywords: COVID-19, SARS-CoV-2, face covering, medical mask, mask mandate, nonpharmaceutical intervention

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.05.18.21257385v1.full.pdf
Why are you so repetitious everyday on this topic on masks? Aren't you sick repeating this every day from the start of the pandemic till now.

It has been a year and you are still at it.

:confused:
 
Why are you so repetitious everyday on this topic on masks? Aren't you sick repeating this every day from the start of the pandemic till now.

It has been a year and you are still at it.

:confused:

Because almost daily I see posts about people being shamed for not wearing masks so I'm pointing out the futility of all these rules.

Making everyone wear masks is not going to do anything to prevent the spread of Covid.
 
masks work in circumstances in certain enclosed spaces. But they do fuckall when worn all the time. Dip cockshit for those anal retentive cheebye SDA
 

Double masking blocks 85.4% @Leongsam

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the only reason half of the population wears mask is because of $300 fine
the other half will just OBEY whatever shit PAP says
 
the only reason half of the population wears mask is because of $300 fine
the other half will just OBEY whatever shit PAP says

Bingo. There are also those super kiasi and paranoid ones. Step inside MRT train or a bus immediately rub hand sanitizer. :rolleyes:
 
the only reason half of the population wears mask is because of $300 fine
the other half will just OBEY whatever shit PAP says
I think Sam lost his plot. Already mentioned this plenty of times to him. We wear masks mainly to avoid the CB fine.
 
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calg...ratory-illnesses-plummeted-pandemic-1.6052517

A new Alberta study that shows a drop in hospitalizations for respiratory illnesses during the early part of the pandemic is sparking questions about the future role that public health measures such as masking could play in keeping viruses at bay.

The research came about after ER doctors started noticing an unusual trend: fewer people coming to the emergency room who required admission for respiratory problems.

Researchers compared Alberta hospital data from March to September of 2020 with the previous year and documented a reduction in the proportion of overall admissions for illnesses caused by viruses or chronic conditions exacerbated by them.

"We saw something quite remarkable. We saw there was a dramatic drop in hospitalizations for COPD [and] a significant drop for hospitalizations related to pneumonia that weren't COVID-related," said co-author Dr. Eddy Lang, a Calgary emergency room physician and University of Calgary professor.

"I can tell you as well that asthma was way down. And as you know, influenza … has been eradicated this year."

Chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (COPD), which accounted for 5.1 per cent of hospitalizations prior to the pandemic, dropped to 3.5 per cent. On its own, that accounted for about 2,500 fewer patients admitted to hospital during that time period, he said.

"I am totally ramped up and surprised by this," said Lang, who wants to see more in-depth research on the role public health measures, including mask wearing, may have played in reducing viral infections and hospital visits.

"I think we have stumbled across an incredibly valuable and potentially effective intervention that could reduce the burden of chronic lung disease around the world without really causing much harm and costing only pennies."


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Dr. Kerri Johannson is a pulmonologist and associate professor in the department of medicine and community health sciences at the University of Calgary. She says a similar reduction in viral infections has been reported in regions around the world. (Kerri Johannson)

COPD leading cause of hospitalization​

The picture painted by this observational study reflects what physicians, including Calgary pulmonologist Dr. Kerri Johannson, have witnessed through the pandemic.

Johansson, an associate professor in the department of medicine at the University of Calgary, said COPD is the leading cause of hospitalizations in Canada, and studies have shown that at least half of COPD exacerbations are due to viral infections.

"Any interventions that we can apply to prevent those infections could help our patients and sustain the health-care system," she said.

According to Johannson, a similar reduction in viral infections has been reported in regions around the world, and while more study is needed, she said public health rules brought in to battle COVID-19 may be contributing to the trend.

"It makes biologic sense and the timeline fits. So … there is likely a relationship between these interventions and the reduction in hospitalizations that we're seeing."

Johannson hopes information like this will help reframe how Canadians perceive infections and promote behaviour changes, including mask-wearing, frequent handwashing and avoiding interactions with others when you are unwell.

"I think before this pandemic we have been in a state where we accept a general state of infection in a proportion of our population at any given time.… What we can see from this is that it doesn't have to necessarily be the norm," she said.

And the lower hospitalization rates are still playing out in Alberta, according to Lang, who calculated the number of COPD and pneumonia hospitalizations avoided during the entire pandemic exceeds the number of patients admitted for COVID-19.

"It's like the … silver lining of the pandemic. As much as we've had tragedy, and as much as we've had horrible loss of life, we will have learned that these public health measures keep … those frail populations out of the hospital," said Lang.


I worked with Dr Lang at the ER during my externship in 2013. Looks like masks do reduce colds and Influenza though!
@Leongsam what does your data say about masks and Influenza and admissions due to exacerbation of COPD from viral infections?
 
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calg...ratory-illnesses-plummeted-pandemic-1.6052517

A new Alberta study that shows a drop in hospitalizations for respiratory illnesses during the early part of the pandemic is sparking questions about the future role that public health measures such as masking could play in keeping viruses at bay.

The research came about after ER doctors started noticing an unusual trend: fewer people coming to the emergency room who required admission for respiratory problems.

Researchers compared Alberta hospital data from March to September of 2020 with the previous year and documented a reduction in the proportion of overall admissions for illnesses caused by viruses or chronic conditions exacerbated by them.

"We saw something quite remarkable. We saw there was a dramatic drop in hospitalizations for COPD [and] a significant drop for hospitalizations related to pneumonia that weren't COVID-related," said co-author Dr. Eddy Lang, a Calgary emergency room physician and University of Calgary professor.

"I can tell you as well that asthma was way down. And as you know, influenza … has been eradicated this year."

Chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (COPD), which accounted for 5.1 per cent of hospitalizations prior to the pandemic, dropped to 3.5 per cent. On its own, that accounted for about 2,500 fewer patients admitted to hospital during that time period, he said.

"I am totally ramped up and surprised by this," said Lang, who wants to see more in-depth research on the role public health measures, including mask wearing, may have played in reducing viral infections and hospital visits.

"I think we have stumbled across an incredibly valuable and potentially effective intervention that could reduce the burden of chronic lung disease around the world without really causing much harm and costing only pennies."


dr-kerri-johannson.jpg

Dr. Kerri Johannson is a pulmonologist and associate professor in the department of medicine and community health sciences at the University of Calgary. She says a similar reduction in viral infections has been reported in regions around the world. (Kerri Johannson)

COPD leading cause of hospitalization​

The picture painted by this observational study reflects what physicians, including Calgary pulmonologist Dr. Kerri Johannson, have witnessed through the pandemic.

Johansson, an associate professor in the department of medicine at the University of Calgary, said COPD is the leading cause of hospitalizations in Canada, and studies have shown that at least half of COPD exacerbations are due to viral infections.

"Any interventions that we can apply to prevent those infections could help our patients and sustain the health-care system," she said.

According to Johannson, a similar reduction in viral infections has been reported in regions around the world, and while more study is needed, she said public health rules brought in to battle COVID-19 may be contributing to the trend.

"It makes biologic sense and the timeline fits. So … there is likely a relationship between these interventions and the reduction in hospitalizations that we're seeing."

Johannson hopes information like this will help reframe how Canadians perceive infections and promote behaviour changes, including mask-wearing, frequent handwashing and avoiding interactions with others when you are unwell.

"I think before this pandemic we have been in a state where we accept a general state of infection in a proportion of our population at any given time.… What we can see from this is that it doesn't have to necessarily be the norm," she said.

And the lower hospitalization rates are still playing out in Alberta, according to Lang, who calculated the number of COPD and pneumonia hospitalizations avoided during the entire pandemic exceeds the number of patients admitted for COVID-19.

"It's like the … silver lining of the pandemic. As much as we've had tragedy, and as much as we've had horrible loss of life, we will have learned that these public health measures keep … those frail populations out of the hospital," said Lang.


I worked with Dr Lang at the ER during my externship in 2013. Looks like masks do reduce colds and Influenza though!
@Leongsam what does your data say about masks and Influenza and admissions due to exacerbation of COPD from viral infections?

Masks will help if droplet infection is the primary means of transmission.

However when it comes to Covid there is no data in the real world to show that it makes a scrap of difference.
 
Masks will help if droplet infection is the primary means of transmission.

However when it comes to Covid there is no data in the real world to show that it makes a scrap of difference.

Funny how there is no conclusive data then that it is an airborne infection.

I suspect that the reason for this is that covid spread by so many ways that if you try to isolate it to just one your data comes out all wrong.

So it is spread all ways - airborne, droplets, fomites, aerosol, sexual intercourse, fecal oral, (?skin contact)
 
Funny how there is no conclusive data then that it is an airborne infection.

I suspect that the reason for this is that covid spread by so many ways that if you try to isolate it to just one your data comes out all wrong.

So it is spread all ways - airborne, droplets, fomites, aerosol, sexual intercourse, fecal oral, (?skin contact)

I don't believe all these articles that claim flu has disappeared anyway. In the UK there are currently more deaths from flu than there are from Covid. In NZ there are loads of people down with flu/common cold etc. Half my cycling group has caught a cold over the last 3 weeks.
 
I don't believe all these articles that claim flu has disappeared anyway. In the UK there are currently more deaths from flu than there are from Covid. In NZ there are loads of people down with flu/common cold etc. Half my cycling group has caught a cold over the last 3 weeks.

Sigh. Hey Sam, I thought you were the guy that said just follow what the data says?

Now you go based on belief as well?

As you probably know, the "data" can be manipulated as well. And also every presentation of any data always has some kind of agenda or message behind it.

I've been out of family med for a while now. Today one of my cannabis patients said he is going to talk to his family doctor about his Hydrochlorothiazide for his HTN. He said it increases skin cancer! I had no idea about such a thing. But turns out he is right - because the data from some meta-analysis suggests an association. Gosh we have had HCTZ around for decades even before I started training to be Dr!

But oh well.....the data says so. Thank goodness I no longer manage HTN!

https://www.cfp.ca/content/66/2/116

Clinical question​

Does hydrochlorothiazide (HCTZ) increase the risk of squamous cell carcinoma (SCC)?

Bottom line​

Observational data suggest an association between HCTZ and the risk of SCC. Risk appears to consistently increase with dose and duration of use (eg, 5 years increases risk 3 to 4 times). Baseline incidence of SCC is less than 0.1% annually. The same risk has not been established with thiazidelike diuretics. The benefit of switching from HCTZ to another agent should be weighed against the risk of changing medications.
 
Why are you so repetitious everyday on this topic on masks? Aren't you sick repeating this every day from the start of the pandemic till now.

It has been a year and you are still at it.

:confused:

CAQ Sissy boy u, stay on course of yr daily dosage of sissy narratives and u are doing fine.... MYOB...
 
the only reason half of the population wears mask is because of $300 fine
the other half will just OBEY whatever shit PAP says
I wear because it is fashionable and cool. I have quite the collection of masks, spent a lot of money getting them. So need to show them off, fashion accessory lah.
 
Actually if you search for data and research involving masks and Influenza that PRE-DATES covid......

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7169241/

We conclude that population‐wide use of face masks could make an important contribution in delaying an influenza pandemic. Mask use also reduces the reproduction number, possibly even to levels sufficient for containing an influenza outbreak.

Someone even wrote his Master's thesis on this in 2018

https://repository.asu.edu/attachments/211332/content/Hung_asu_0010N_18395.pdf

2017 article

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1755436516300858

Meta-analyses suggest that regular hand hygiene provided a significant protective effect (OR = 0.62; 95% CI 0.52–0.73; I2 = 0%), and facemask use provided a non-significant protective effect (OR = 0.53; 95% CI 0.16–1.71; I2 = 48%) against 2009 pandemic influenza infection.

I think masks do something. Maybe not for covid. But then some people say covid doesn't exist either LOL! So how can mask work against something that does not exist?

I think covid is real. And I think masks help reduce the spread of covid via droplets but not via airborne route. hence the data is full of errors and confounding factors because the studies are not designed properly for a virus we do not completely understand either.

Maybe.......covid is spread via QUANTUM PHYSICS SCIENCE? Covid virus can be in TWO PLACES AT THE SAME TIME. Who knows right?

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/03/100311092429.htm

https://www.theguardian.com/science...g-thing-two-places-limits-to-quantum-quandary

A living thing in two places at once? This quantum quandary test is limited​

A recent proposed microbe experiment based on Schrödinger’s counter-intuitive theory would have a scale so small as to be almost meaningless, and other challenges such as consciousness also come into play
 
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Nowadays, with internet you can find all kinds of articles and "research" to try to support whatever crazy idea I can have.

Which means either I am some clairvoyant genius (likely NOT) or the internet is full of bullshit information! LOL!
 
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