Making Public Places Private

[jw5]

snrcitizen
How can we have less of such people or tell such people off?
I have been doing my part, telling those who eat and drink in the mrt and buses to stop, telling people who refuse to share their seats or put their legs up to behave appropriately, both foreigners and locals alike.
Hope that others will also do so.

 

[VIBGYOR]

There are about 2 million people from third countries here. They bring their ungracious social habits along with them here. Hence, what you see in public places these days.

i donno about you, about 3 million of the current population, supposed to come from "first world" country have really bad social graces too!!

these are fine examples..so think before you call a kettle black?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDoFnJJilX8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4jPtLhOT9M
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yM8RpmnJjmY

 

[char_jig_kar]

JW5,

It doesn't help. Its in the system. Unless u could change the political system, the people will carry on their way.

 

[Leongsam]

one is like this fine example..so think before you call a kettle black?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yM8RpmnJjmY

What a fucked up country!

 

[VIBGYOR]

What a fucked up country!

and you are part of it, i mean fcuking up the country...

 

[snrcitizen]

snrcitizen
How can we have less of such people or tell such people off?
I have been doing my part, telling those who eat and drink in the mrt and buses to stop, telling people who refuse to share their seats or put their legs up to behave appropriately, both foreigners and locals alike.
Hope that others will also do so.

JW5,

We are not going to see a significant improvement in the overall situation and in fact, I see the situation as getting from bad to worse every time I get back home.

Do we just surrender the country to these sort of people? Definitely a big NO. It is our duty as a citizen to ensure that at every instance we see these anti-social behaviour we have to point it out to the perpetrator. Your constant posting of this sort of behaviour on this forum is also one of the ways to spread the message across that we owe ourselves this responsibility to minimise this.

It is a long haul effort. We can only hope to slowly win over passive observers to take an active interest in achieving a better Singapore for every citizen.

Counting on the authorities to do this job for us is not an option. Firstly, their only interest is in making money, and secondly, it makes a mockery of ourselves to have this law and that law to ensure that people behave as responsible human beings.

 

[VIBGYOR]

Counting on the authorities to do this job for us is not an option. Firstly, their only interest is in making money, and secondly, it makes a mockery of ourselves to have this law and that law to ensure that people behave as responsible human beings.

true developed countries do not have such laws to tell people how to behave...

 

[char_jig_kar]

its not about counting on the authority to do something about this social phenomenon. the problem is the political system had shaped almost every aspect in this country. including attitudes and social behavior. so there's no way JW5 will be able to do much in reverting the situation.

its hard wired in the system, and the people will carry on having screw up social behavior, unless there's a change in the political system.

its like in the nazis germany, there's no point to point out to the individual that its not right to discriminate against the jews. the country's mindset is closely link to the political system.

 

[0939]

What you guys said, to me just too bad we have these kind of people. It is everybody for himself. Shall I said the fittest survives. So this is Singapore. Blame it on the Gahmen.
But what annoyed me was the carpark issue, knowing you were the first on queue and somebody just cut you off in a nick of the time and you lost your parking space to inconsiderate people. I have encountered three occasions. What I have to do was to block the lot and wait for the other driver to move off. Only then you can go forward and reverse.

 

[snrcitizen]

true developed countries do not have such laws to tell people how to behave...

You are very right. I do not believe in having laws to ensure that people behave themselves. In fact, to have such laws actually reflects very badly on ourselves as it is an admission that the situation is out of control.

However, as in developed countries, anti-social behaviour is frowned on and you will find that there is peer pressure as a measure against such acts. JW5 is rightly encouraging this peer pressure as the norm in Singapore and I totally agree with him.

 

[VIBGYOR]

However, as in developed countries, anti-social behaviour is frowned on and you will find that there is peer pressure as a measure against such acts. JW5 is rightly encouraging this peer pressure as the norm in Singapore and I totally agree with him.

next time when i see people spitting, i will scream at the person and shout,

"这里不是中国！如果你要吐痰，请回去中国！！"

 

[char_jig_kar]

peer pressure work in the developed country. but we are pseudo developed country.

 

[snrcitizen]

its not about counting on the authority to do something about this social phenomenon. the problem is the political system had shaped almost every aspect in this country. including attitudes and social behavior. so there's no way JW5 will be able to do much in reverting the situation.

its hard wired in the system, and the people will carry on having screw up social behavior, unless there's a change in the political system.

its like in the nazis germany, there's no point to point out to the individual that its not right to discriminate against the jews. the country's mindset is closely link to the political system.

Agree with you that the authorities are extremely bad role models to follow and I agree that the political situation has to be changed. However, for those who know the right from wrong, are we going to standby and watch passively as these anti-social acts are being played right before our eyes? If we remain passive observers then are we not being guilty of contributing to such behaviour?

Hitler's Nazi organisation to exterminate the Jews is different. It was a directive from him and woe betide to who would challenge him. Anti-social behaviour is an acquired trait from parents and from examples shown by the authorities. We owe it to ourselves to control this phenomenon from affecting every innocent Singaporean's lives.

 

[snrcitizen]

next time when i see people spitting, i will scream at the person and shout,

"This is Not CHINA, if you want to spit, please go back to CHINA!!!"

No need to scream. You will just increase your blood pressure unnecessarily. Just be very civil and firm to let the person know what he/she is doing is wrong.

 

[snrcitizen]

peer pressure work in the developed country. but we are pseudo developed country.

We are far from a developed country, but that does not mean we will allow others to behave worse than people from 3rd world countries, right?

 

[char_jig_kar]

PAP condone on lack of social graciousness behavior. for example. when they screw up big time, no apology, 'cause they find apologies as weakness. and who's have the most power in this country? the PAP. naturally the people just follow them. wanna revert this screw up social behavior? change the system. anything else is just empty talk.

 

[char_jig_kar]

which means you comparing us to develped country is irrelevant. if u wanna use peer pressure, it could only be effective if we don't have a authoritarian govt system.

 

[snrcitizen]

which means you comparing us to develped country is irrelevant. if u wanna use peer pressure, it could only be effective if we don't have a authoritarian govt system.

Agree with you authorities should set the stage for more gracious society but will agree to disagree with you that we stand around and do nothing when we see such behaviour. My reasoning is, if we behave like the authorities, then we are just as bad as them.

We do have to compare with other countries like the PAP which uses selective countries for comparison to justify their failings. I am just saying that if we do believe certain behaviour is wrong then we have to take ownership since this is our country, not PAP's.

 

[char_jig_kar]

it will not help in changing the ungracious social behavior. suppose jw5 give a good scolding to a student who sit right in front of the bookshelf in the library, blocking people from accessing the books, would the student change his/ her behavior in the future 'cause of jw5's lecture? no.

it is commendable for jw5 or people who go on doing public service by lecturing people who show ungracious social behavior in the public, but it will not revert the trend. the individuals will not change 'cause of jw5 and the lot.

 

[snrcitizen]

it will not help in changing the ungracious social behavior. suppose jw5 give a good scolding to a student who sit right in front of the bookshelf in the library, blocking people from accessing the books, would the student change his/ her behavior in the future 'cause of jw5's lecture? no.

it is commendable for jw5 or people who go on doing public service by lecturing people who show ungracious social behavior in the public, but it will not revert the trend. the individuals will not change 'cause of jw5 and the lot.

JW5 and other similar minority like him are the true lovers of this country of ours and I agree with you that people like him are commendable. Changing people's mindset towards bad behaviour overnight is a tall order especially when at present there is only a small minority like JW5 to care enough. To achieve significant results those who are currently passive observers will need to come forward.

To take the example of the student, this person might never have a change in mindset as long as he/she is told off by just one JW5. However, if this person encounters enough of other JW5 almost every time he/she misbehaves then he/she becomes conscious of the consequence.

Why don't we all give it a try? If the JW5's become a larger force, then we might see a reversal of the current trend. By then, perhaps when we become the majority we might see that we have the will power to change the political situation instead of just following the bad examples of the party currently in power.