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Making Public Places Private

jw5

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This seems to be very pervasive nowadays.

People on public transport refusing to let others sit down, people in food courts wanting the whole table for themselves even though there are no other available seats and they are not occupying all the seats at their table, people at public libraries reserving seats and talking loudly and running about as if they were at home, people at shopping malls and mrt stations standing in a group right in the middle of the walkway, blocking people.

Don't they realise that these are public places and not their own private space? How should we deal with such inconsiderate and selfish people?
 

DerekLeung

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Unleash super inflation and deflation on them idiots. They are just like mainlands beginning to see so called "wealth". Tons of idiots Singaporean !
 

chinkangkor

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There are about 2 million people from third countries here. They bring their ungracious social habits along with them here. Hence, what you see in public places these days.
 

Yoshitei

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But it appears to be evolution in the other direction right? Some kind of backwards evolution? :(

Well... In biology, evolution characterized by change in the inherited traits of a population of organisms from one generation to the next whether positive or negative.

One major driver for evolution is natural selection.

Natural selection, a process causing heritable traits that are helpful for survival and reproduction and harmful traits to become more rare. This occurs because individuals with advantageous traits are more likely to reproduce, so that more individuals in the next generation inherit these traits.

Over many generations, adaptations occur through a combination of successive, small, random changes in traits, and natural selection of those variants best-suited for their environment.

So... Scientifically speaking, it's still known as evolution. But depending on where you're standing, it could be negatively or positively affecting the human gene pool.
 

snrcitizen

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Well... In biology, evolution characterized by change in the inherited traits of a population of organisms from one generation to the next whether positive or negative.

One major driver for evolution is natural selection.

Natural selection, a process causing heritable traits that are helpful for survival and reproduction and harmful traits to become more rare. This occurs because individuals with advantageous traits are more likely to reproduce, so that more individuals in the next generation inherit these traits.

Over many generations, adaptations occur through a combination of successive, small, random changes in traits, and natural selection of those variants best-suited for their environment.

So... Scientifically speaking, it's still known as evolution. But depending on where you're standing, it could be negatively or positively affecting the human gene pool.

This is assuming what is happening to Singaporeans is a result of nature, but from my observations it is attributed to nurture - poor upbringing.
 

ahbengsong

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Don't they realise that these are public places and not their own private space? How should we deal with such inconsiderate and selfish people?
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vote the pap out as the single party govt... after decades of fake 'nation building' and courtesy campaigns... the people are more selfish than before.. more naive than before...

有因就有果... the pap is the root cause of today's decaying society and poor upbringing...
 

theblackhole

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to each his own. u go to food court like going to war.you arrow and go for an empty table or chair. you arrow and you stamp it with whatever you have! tissue paper,toilet paper,bag, shoe, slipper and anything you have.just stamp it ! it's yours! who cares the other bugger carrying his tray of food looking for a seat - until his food go cold and starchy! you see singaporeans and you see foreigners.

you wait for the train to arrive.you arrow and rush in immediately the moment the door opens! you wait for the lift to reach your level, you arrow and rush in .who cares who comes out! to survive in modern singapore, you have to arrow!

you kwai kwai queue up and one bugger comes and cut your queue. you arrow and cut in front of him! this is survival!

you get ungracious people now in singapore everywhere - they are not necessarily singaporeans! many are 4th world foreigners!

singaporeans must learn to survive under such social pressure. they stare at you, you must stare back! they talk big to you,you shout louder! they threaten you, you take out your knife and show them! dont' be bullied by these hooligans and gangsters from the 4th world! singaporeans must stand up and fight for their rights!
 

Yoshitei

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This is assuming what is happening to Singaporeans is a result of nature, but from my observations it is attributed to nurture - poor upbringing.

Well, it all depends on how you define nature.

Is it the life-giving and nurturing features of nature or is it the environment we've been put in? To monkeys in the wild, nature what the forest, but to monkeys in the zoo, nature is what they see around them.

So I guess, for us it is the latter. And we're just evolving to survive better.

It's just nature that all animals want to survive although we all also want to do good. But survival is the most basic instinct, and this reserving of seats at a food court and now car parks is just a natural progress of humans wanting to survive.
 

chinkangkor

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Well, it all depends on how you define nature.

Is it the life-giving and nurturing features of nature or is it the environment we've been put in? To monkeys in the wild, nature what the forest, but to monkeys in the zoo, nature is what they see around them.

Nature in evolution refers to the genetic of living organisms, not external environment.
 

dysentry

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high density of people for such a heterogeneous bunch of asian farmboys is bound to create alot of tension, but the people who make and approve policies don't mix around in public places, and the grassroots don't tell the truth, so only some spectacular scenes will wake them up...
 

snrcitizen

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Well, it all depends on how you define nature.

Is it the life-giving and nurturing features of nature or is it the environment we've been put in? To monkeys in the wild, nature what the forest, but to monkeys in the zoo, nature is what they see around them.

So I guess, for us it is the latter. And we're just evolving to survive better.

It's just nature that all animals want to survive although we all also want to do good. But survival is the most basic instinct, and this reserving of seats at a food court and now car parks is just a natural progress of humans wanting to survive.

Chinkangkor has pointed out a very valid point that nature is what we are born with but nurture is what we adapt ourselves to or progressively learn from our environment. I was also referring to the particular observations as pointed out by TS, JW5.

People on public transport refusing to let others sit down, people in food courts wanting the whole table for themselves even though there are no other available seats and they are not occupying all the seats at their table, people at public libraries reserving seats and talking loudly and running about as if they were at home, people at shopping malls and mrt stations standing in a group right in the middle of the walkway, blocking people.

Those instances are created by selfish, self centered people who were never taught social manners/responsibilities and their own guardians are themselves bad role models.
 
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jw5

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There are about 2 million people from third countries here. They bring their ungracious social habits along with them here. Hence, what you see in public places these days.
Many of these people who lack social graces and consideration for others are Singkies.
 

jw5

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high density of people for such a heterogeneous bunch of asian farmboys is bound to create alot of tension, but the people who make and approve policies don't mix around in public places, and the grassroots don't tell the truth, so only some spectacular scenes will wake them up...
Like less than 50% of the votes?
 

Leongsam

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Don't they realise that these are public places and not their own private space? How should we deal with such inconsiderate and selfish people?

That's what happens when too many people are packed into a confined area. They start behaving like rats. :rolleyes:

J. B. Calhoun, 78, Researcher On Effects of Overpopulation

By HENRY FOUNTAIN

Published: September 29, 1995

Dr. John B. Calhoun, an ecologist who saw in the bleak effects of overpopulation on rats and mice a model for the future of the human race, died on Sept. 7 while on vacation in Hanover, N.H. He was 78 and lived in Bethesda, Md.

The cause was a stroke after a mild heart attack, said Kathleen Kerr, a colleague who disclosed the death this week.

In a 40-year career, mostly at the National Institute of Mental Health, Dr. Calhoun demonstrated that as population density increased, social behavior degenerated.

Among other findings, he developed the concept of universal autism -- in which all members of the last generation of mice in an increasingly crowded environment are incapable of the social behavior that would allow them to produce the next generation. And he described a phenomenon in which some mice become "beautiful ones," maintaining their physical appearance, but doing little else, as the population swells.

In one of Dr. Calhoun's experiments, a square steel box, nine feet on each side, contained 2,600 mice, about 16 times what would be considered normal density. He determined that rodents rapidly developed a hierarchy when thrown together in such huge numbers, with those closest to the food supply growing most rapidly and, because of their size, assuming higher social status.

Dr. Calhoun was born in Elkton, Tenn., and received a bachelor's degree from the University of Virginia in 1939 and a doctorate in zoology from Northwestern University in 1943.

After studies on Norway rats at Johns Hopkins University, and on mice at the Jackson Memorial Laboratory in Bar Harbor, Me., he joined the mental health institute in 1954. In 1963, he organized the unit for research on behavioral systems at the Laboratory of Brain Evolution and Behavior, a division of the N.I.M.H. He continued as chief of the unit until his retirement in 1986.

His work was the inspiration for a children's book by Robert C. O'Brien, "Mrs. Frisby and the Rats of NIMH" which became the basis for a popular animated film, "The Secret of NIMH," released in 1982.

Dr. Calhoun was a cheerful man who maintained a sense of humor about his work and the stereotypical image of scientists studying rats in mazes, Mrs. Kerr said. But his work had its frustrations as well, she noted, because its implications for the future of the human rat race were often met with studied disregard.

But Dr. Calhoun was convinced that his mice and rat populations were an accurate model for humans. "He didn't regard it as hypothesis any more, he regarded it as factual," Mrs. Kerr said.

He is survived by his wife of 52 years, Edith Gressley Calhoun of Bethesda; two daughters, Catherine Calhoun of Brooklyn and Dr. Cheryl Calhoun of Waterville, Me., and two grandchildren.
 
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