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Ma Chi's family sues insurers AXA after they withdraw coverage for deadly 'collision'

Cestbon

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People buy insurance. Insurance company can reject their application if insurance approve then insurance need to pay.
Why insurance get all the benefit???
I side with Ma Chi.
Next time insurance should do double check before approve any application that their sale agent/counter sale person fault. No Ma Chi fault who want to die???
 

Conqueror

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Why insurance get all the benefit???
I side with Ma Chi.
Next time insurance should do double check before approve any application that their sale agent/counter sale person fault. No Ma Chi fault who want to die???


Mmm ... so, if everyone commits suicide and their immediate families get the payout ... no insurance company will become a Santa Claus to give that much money away for no good reason. Insurance is about pooling monies to help one another should any bad luck arises and hit one of them. They are in the game of chance. So, you are not suppose to cheat even if you are in the casino. But, will the casino cheat you instead ?

To conclude : all financial instruments are gambling tools. :*: WTF ! :p



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hurley

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Ferrari crash: Advance payouts offered

SINGAPORE - The insurers of the Ferrari involved in the crash that killed a taxi driver and his passenger and injured two others have taken the unusual step of offering advance payouts to the victims.

Normally, an insurer's payout to third-party victims would not be made until the insured driver is found to be at fault by the court, or until the consent of the driver's family is obtained.

In the May 12 crash, Mr Ma Chi, 31, is said to have run a red light along Victoria Street.

His car hit a taxi, which then hit a motorcycle. The cabby and his Japanese passenger died, while two others were injured.

AXA Insurance Singapore gave notice in July to the family of Mr Ma that it regards the incident as a collision, not an accident.

This means it will not provide insurance coverage for the family, but will settle the claims of third-party victims and then seek to be reimbursed by the family.

The family has challenged AXA's stand and a potentially landmark court case to settle the issue is pending.

AXA said on Tuesday that it had asked the injured victims - Mr Muhammad Najib Ghazali, 26, and Ms Wu Weiwei, in her 20s - and the families of Mr Cheng Teck Hock and Ms Shigemi Ito to submit their claims. It has settled an interim claim from Ms Wu for her medical costs, while responses from the others are pending.

Stressing that the crash was an "exceptional case" which was not covered by the insurance policy, AXA refuted the family's defence as "unreasonable".

It said in court papers filed on Tuesday that if traffic conditions were poor, as claimed by the Ferrari driver's family, then "the response of a prudent and reasonable driver will be to reduce speed to ensure the safety of himself, his passengers and other road users".

"The driver drove his Ferrari at a speed far in excess of the limit for the road and went through a junction where the lights were red against him for a substantial period of time," it added.

An AXA spokesman made it clear this was an extreme case "sitting far beyond the risks that motor insurance policies cover. We are of the view that as a responsible insurer, we provide cover for risk but we cannot guarantee cover for extreme acts of recklessness".

AXA, which has a presence in 57 countries, is one of the largest motor insurers in Singapore. It insured more than 120,000 cars and paid nearly $100 million in claims in motor insurance last year.
 

syed putra

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You break the law by driving too fast and beating the red light. No coverage for breaking the law.
It is like being shot dead for robbing a bank.
 
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Thanks , Bro.


I now worry for Vehicle Owners Insured with AXA :(
And NTUC also ( Read today forum Shit Times). My recent accident more than a year ago insured with AXA, giving me some hard time. My car was sent to Star Motor for repair instead to Kah Motor. What a shoddy work, They skipped so many original parts and the air bags was re conditioned. Have to send back my car several times till I gave up. Got a bad experience, NTUC refused to pay until I was sued.
 

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Confirm RIP with death cert. What insurance waiting for. Even suicide insurance still lan lan have to pay by law. Is very hard to support this case as try to con insurance money.

Insurance companies now refusing to pay at flimsiest excuse.. BUT very quick to collect premiums
 

Hans168

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And NTUC also ( Read today forum Shit Times). My recent accident more than a year ago insured with AXA, giving me some hard time. My car was sent to Star Motor for repair instead to Kah Motor. What a shoddy work, They skipped so many original parts and the air bags was re conditioned. Have to send back my car several times till I gave up. Got a bad experience, NTUC refused to pay until I was sued.

Yes the NTUC Income under Tan Kin Lian was much fairer........ the current mgmt stinks
 

Hans168

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Mmm ... so, if everyone commits suicide and their immediate families get the payout ... no insurance company will become a Santa Claus to give that much money away for no good reason. Insurance is about pooling monies to help one another should any bad luck arises and hit one of them. They are in the game of chance. So, you are not suppose to cheat even if you are in the casino. But, will the casino cheat you instead ?

To conclude : all financial instruments are gambling tools. :*: WTF ! :p



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Insurance is also about SCREW you if I can get away with it...
 

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Ferrari driven at 178 kph before fatal crash


By Alvina Soh | Posted: 31 October 2012 1436 hrs

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YouTube grab of footage, captured on a cab driver's dashboard-mounted camera, shows the Ferrari (2R) crashing into the taxi (R)

SINGAPORE: The driver of a Ferrari, which was involved in the deadly crash in May this year, was travelling at 178 kilometres per hour (kph) just before the collision - almost three times the speed limit of 60 kph for the road.

This was revealed in a video shown during a coroner's inquiry into the accident, which left three people dead.

Ma Chi, a China national, allegedly ran a red light and his vehicle collided with a taxi, which then crashed into a motorcycle.

The victims were 52-year-old taxi driver Cheng Teck Hock, 41-year-old Japanese national Ito Shigemi and Ma himself.

Ma, who was a managing director with a technology services company, was said to be practising his driving that night, before picking up his female passenger.

The accident was captured on a video recorder installed in the Ferrari.

The video showed that the car was moving at a high speed towards the junction of Victoria Street and Rochor Road, even though the lights had turned red.

The footage then showed the taxi, driven by Cheng Teck Hock, appearing in front of the Ferrari from the right.

This resulted in a fireball and metal debris being strewn all over.

Three other videos belonging to a passing taxi, a Land Transport Authority CCTV camera, and a CCTV camera at Bugis MRT entrance were also shown.

In all of them, Ma was seen driving against the red light signals in his direction at a very high speed.

Investigations revealed that Ma received a call from Ms Wu Wei Wei, a student at Eastern Asia Institute of Management on that fatal night.

Ma told her that he was outside practising his driving and would pick her up from Clarke Quay and send her home.

According to investigations, there were no mechanical defects found on the vehicle that could have caused the accident.

The transmission control model of the Ferrari was also found to be set in "Race" position.

The court heard that Ma, along with Ms Wu, were both wearing seat belts.

A toxicology report also revealed that chlorpheniramine, a medication used to treat allergy or flu, was detected in Ma's urine sample.

However, it is inconclusive if it had any bearing on the cause of the crash.

Meanwhile, an autopsy report has certified that the cause of death for Ms Ito and Mr Cheng were multiple injuries.

Mr Cheng's family, who turned up in court on Wednesday, were visibly upset while watching the footage.

Their lawyer, Mr Liew Yik Wee, later told the media the footage showed "a lot of clarity" and the Cheng family was "anxious to know the truth."

Mr Liew added that the family had also filed claims with insurance company AXA Singapore.

The case will continue on Friday.

- CNA/ck
 

hairylee

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People buy insurance. Insurance company can reject their application if insurance approve then insurance need to pay.
Why insurance get all the benefit???
I side with Ma Chi.
Next time insurance should do double check before approve any application that their sale agent/counter sale person fault. No Ma Chi fault who want to die???

I agree with you.
 

watchman8

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It is like fire insurance. If a factory has fire insurance, but the owner purposedly created a fire and burn the factory down. Should the insurance pay?

Or if a car is insured, but the owner intentionally allows his GF to drive although the GF has no driving license. The GF smashed the car. Should the insurance pay?

This Ma Chi case certainly is not an usual road accident. Rather it is unreasonably reckless. I support AXA, otherwise insurance premium will have to rise across the board to cover these idiots.
 

Conqueror

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This resulted in a fireball and metal debris being strewn all over.


I suspect that was one of the various commies' weapons of gettin' masses to see cars destruction. Scary. These are mad people. Long time no see this footage ...


[video=youtube;oZG1HgOyFkU]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZG1HgOyFkU[/video]


What will the family see this as ? Must be terrible for the late cabby's wife to see the whole rerun again.
 

Conqueror

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AXA Should Not Pay If It Is Done Deliberately

It is like fire insurance. If a factory has fire insurance, but the owner purposedly created a fire and burn the factory down. Should the insurance pay?

Or if a car is insured, but the owner intentionally allows his GF to drive although the GF has no driving license. The GF smashed the car. Should the insurance pay?

This Ma Chi case certainly is not an usual road accident. Rather it is unreasonably reckless. I support AXA, otherwise insurance premium will have to rise across the board to cover these idiots.


I agree. I second dat ! B'cos, your answer is also my answer too. But, the question is being raised that much of the money in the pool is siphoned to make the CEO rich is considered as unacceptable. The same thing goes to the SPCA and the Red Cross non-profit organisations. The money pooled in is for the benefit of those who are in the game (of chance).

What makes an accident, an accident ? The act of God (ie. typhoons, earthquakes) is too extensive; so, it will be unfair for these organizers (ie. insurance companies). I will say that is still considered as fair.
 

Thick Face Black Heart

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so does that mean all the victims are screwed? no compensation until the case settle?


The taxi driver's family will still get their insurance payout because he had no fault at all in the matter.

I agree with AXA insurance. Ma CheeBye's family should not get a single cent.
 

Thick Face Black Heart

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I hope that baby in the wife's tummy will be born without an arsehole.


The baby is faultless. But I do hope that one day he gets to grow up in a foster home.
 
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Ferrari case: Family and insurer reached a settlement


Published on Jan 25, 2013

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File photo of police officers at the scene of the accident of a crash involving a red Ferrari, a taxi and a motorcycle at the junction of Rochor Road and Victoria Road near Bugis Junction on May 12, 2012, which has left three people dead. The insurers and the estate of the Ferrari driver involved in the crash that killed a taxi driver and his passenger and injured two others, have reached a settlement. -- PHOTO: SHIN MIN

THE insurers and the estate of the Ferrari driver involved in the crash that killed a taxi driver and his passenger and injured two others, have reached a settlement.

In joint statement on Friday, AXA Insurance Singapore and the estate of the late Mr Ma Chi, 31, said they have agreed to settle, based on terms and conditions mutually agreed by both parties.

"Under the terms of the settlement agreement, in addition to settling all financial claims between the parties, all third party victims or their families will receive due compensation, which is not compromised in any way," said the statement, emailed to The Straits Times from law firm Drew & Napier, who is representing the family of Mr Ma.

"AXA Insurance Singapore will not look towards the estate of the late Ma Chi for any payment of compensation made to the third party victims or their families."

 

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All accidents are collision. Unless the accident involve charbor being impregnated in the back seat.
 

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lianbeng would not even classify that as collision or accident but manslaughter! murder!:mad:driving at that speed while marbok is killing not colliding or accident!
 

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Still want to cling on to money even when it's clearly Ma Chi's fault?

I hope that baby in the wife's tummy will be born without an arsehole. Then die a slow, painful death from constipation.

It might be the mouth is the anus. Eat food from mouth, after a while shit will come out from mouth.
 
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