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So, obesity is not just about poor willpower and discipline. In its broadest context as a social problem and medical epidemic, it is a problem of poverty. As long as the rich-poor gap keeps on widening, and the poor are perpetually caught in the poverty trap, expect the incidence of obesity to rise exponentially even as the rich get richer and society as a whole gets wealthier.

We've touched on this before. Anyone who is fat cannot possibly be in poverty. Poverty means not enough money for a square meal. Poverty results in people looking like this : (Where is that fat gene you were talking about? Missing in darkest Africa?)

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The fat people you are describing above are not poor. They're just lazy and unmotivated. They have more than enough money to feed, clothe and entertain themselves. They eat fast food not because it's cheaper but because they're too lazy to prepare a meal.

The long hours excuse may be valid in some countries but it certainly isn't the case in NZ yet obesity is a major issue here especially amongst the brown skinned citizens. There are strict laws regarding working hours and they have more than enough time to indulge and that is largely the cause of their problems.

I have seen whole families, all vastly overweight, troop into McDonald's and order the most unhealthy food possible and lots of it. Ignorance is not the reason for their choice as there is more than enough publicity in NZ on radio/TV about making healthy choices.

If "poverty" drove them to McDonald's then you'd expect them to order with a tight budget in mind but that is hardly the case. They order the biggest burger possible, large fries on the side, a chocolate sundae with extra topping, a milk shake and a coffee with cream. The bill per person is more than triple that of my order which is a black coffee and fish or chicken burger. If that is the new poverty it certainly is stretching the meaning of the word. If I ate what they did in a single sitting I'd be 4 times my current weight or more.

When they've finished their meal they head off to the TAB (betting office) across the road in the hope of making a fast buck without the need for any sort of work ethic.

None of your points are valid in the NZ context where I see the reasons for the obesity epidemic played out before my eyes on a daily basis. I doubt very much they apply in most developed countries. Poverty is definitely not the cause. In fact it is the fat welfare cheques that are funding the regular trips to fast food joints with enough money left over for a few cans of beer before bed time.

This is the end result....

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worse, the black got richer through gov welfare program and their crime rate just go up.
welfare means single mother will relies on gov and their kids totally out of control.
the police target the people with the biggest crime stats.
so the black have the BLACK LIVES MATTER

they are disgusting and should be send back to africa one way
 
there's one unscientific observation that i've made while browsing through countless photos in journals stored in the college library during the late 80s. journals were from the 40s through the 80s. americans in those photos were mostly skinny.....up to late 70s and early 80s. something must have happened between mid-70 and late-70. it's either a policy change, a new policy or some unknown nefarious ingredient must have gotten into the food chain. sure enough, during nixon's presidency, aspartame plus a series of artificial food sweeteners after that was allowed and promoted to be a critical part of the food and beverage chain. moreover, corn, corn derivatives, corn syrup and by-products were heavily subsidized by the gov via tax exemption due to agri policies friendly to corn farmers that were enacted in that period. food products with corn syrup or corn derivatives in them could enjoy tax exemption (deduction from profits) and direct gov subsidies afforded to corn farmers. the double whammy of aspartame approval by the fda and corn subsidies had an effect on the photos i observed. i could not pinpoint the direct correlation and evidence, but i could clearly see the difference. skinny americans pre-70s, fat americans post-70s in tens of thousands of photos i've scanned. americans post-war from the 50s through 70s were already eating well and having a good lazy life, but remained skinny. what caused americans to become whales after the retreat from vietnam and fall of saigon? that i want to know scientifically. :confused:
 
there's one unscientific observation that i've made while browsing through countless photos in journals stored in the college library during the late 80s. journals were from the 40s through the 80s. americans in those photos were mostly skinny.....up to late 70s and early 80s. something must have happened between mid-70 and late-70. it's either a policy change, a new policy or some unknown nefarious ingredient must have gotten into the food chain. sure enough, during nixon's presidency, aspartame plus a series of artificial food sweeteners after that was allowed and promoted to be a critical part of the food and beverage chain. moreover, corn, corn derivatives, corn syrup and by-products were heavily subsidized by the gov via tax exemption due to agri policies friendly to corn farmers that were enacted in that period. food products with corn syrup or corn derivatives in them could enjoy tax exemption (deduction from profits) and direct gov subsidies afforded to corn farmers. the double whammy of aspartame approval by the fda and corn subsidies had an effect on the photos i observed. i could not pinpoint the direct correlation and evidence, but i could clearly see the difference. skinny americans pre-70s, fat americans post-70s in tens of thousands of photos i've scanned. americans post-war from the 50s through 70s were already eating well and having a good lazy life, but remained skinny. what caused americans to become whales after the retreat from vietnam and fall of saigon? that i want to know scientifically. :confused:



Your observation is correct. Its not just in America. The turning point is the early 1980s and it also can be seen in Europe and in the wealthy Asian economies like Singapore. Same cut-off date. Pre 1980, people were skinny. Post 1980s, the fatties started to appear.

I can't explain this phenomenon except to point to an unprecedented state of prosperity that the world enjoyed since 1980.
 
Your observation is correct. Its not just in America. The turning point is the early 1980s and it also can be seen in Europe and in the wealthy Asian economies like Singapore. Same cut-off date. Pre 1980, people were skinny. Post 1980s, the fatties started to appear.

I can't explain this phenomenon except to point to an unprecedented state of prosperity that the world enjoyed since 1980.

artificial sweeteners, engineered corn derivatives, processed food, gmo food, monsanto? it took me over 10 years to detoxify artificial sweetening agents from my body, and now i'm as slim as ever. i was slim when i arrived as a young man, got bloated after 10 years, got blubbery after 20, and now after 10 years of swearing off sweeteners, corn syrup, gmo, processed food and drinks, i'm back to my bmi when i was 20. and i was exercising regularly all along. that's a fact i can personally vouch for. :eek:
 
artificial sweeteners, engineered corn derivatives, processed food, gmo food, monsanto? it took me over 10 years to detoxify artificial sweetening agents from my body, and now i'm as slim as ever. i was slim when i arrived as a young man, got bloated after 10 years, got blubbery after 20, and now after 10 years of swearing off sweeteners, corn syrup, gmo, processed food and drinks, i'm back to my bmi when i was 20. and i was exercising regularly all along. that's a fact i can personally vouch for. :eek:


Damn, I like processed sugar a great deal. I think I better cut down drastically. Damn damn damn damn damn.
 
Poverty means not enough money for a square meal. Poverty results in people looking like this : (Where is that fat gene you were talking about? Missing in darkest Africa?)

Hello, there's poverty and poverty. A not-so-nuanced difference between the extreme poverty in sub-Saharan Africa where it leads to starvation and severe malnutrition, and the poverty in rich countries where people have enough to eat (because of social programs) but paradoxically get fat through cheap food and poor lifestyles. Surprised you didn't see it.

The long hours excuse may be valid in some countries but it certainly isn't the case in NZ yet obesity is a major issue here especially amongst the brown skinned citizens. There are strict laws regarding working hours and they have more than enough time to indulge and that is largely the cause of their problems.

It certainly is the case in places with minimal welfare like Singapore and the US (poor Midwest states, inner city ghettos, deep South). I know taxi drivers who drive 16 hours a day; Malay guys who hold down two despatch jobs in the day and flip burgers at McDonald's after dark; and we all know about cleaners and security guards. In Florida, black and Hispanic tomato farm workers are paid $6/h and work 12-hr days; poor blacks in the Midwest live in rural areas and have to commute by bus for 1 1/2 hours to and fro daily on top of a 10-hr workday plus overtime; womenfolk often do odd jobs to supplement family income, neglecting household duties.

Ignorance is not the reason for their choice as there is more than enough publicity in NZ on radio/TV about making healthy choices.

Ignorance among the social underclass is an indisputable fact, notwithstanding government-funded media publicity about healthy choices, whether in Singapore or NZ. We have posters and brochures displayed everywhere in public institutions, health-related articles in the print media, programs on broadcast media focussing on healthy living – but just pick any mak cik or ah soh off the street and ask her, Do you know what's trans fats? Calories? and you'll get a huh?

Nobody is blaming the government. In any country awareness about health issues is always correlated with socio-economic class. The wealthier, more educated you are, the more likely you're aware of what's good or bad for your health.

Poverty is definitely not the cause. In fact it is the fat welfare cheques that are funding the regular trips to fast food joints with enough money left over for a few cans of beer before bed time.

It is a fact of developed countries that obesity (and their corollary problems like diabetes) is closely correlated with low-income groups. Your observation that it's people on welfare who are obese corroborates that fact. No one argues about it anymore. How we can remedy the situation is what's occupying minds of doctors, epidemiologists, sociologists, economists and politicians.


Poverty and Obesity in the U.S.



High-income countries have greater rates of obesity than middle- and low-income countries (
1). Countries that develop wealth also develop obesity; for instance, with economic growth in China and India, obesity rates have increased by several-fold (1). The international trend is that greater obesity tracks with greater wealth (2,3).

The U.S. is one of the wealthiest countries in the world and accordingly has high obesity rates; one-third of the population has obesity plus another third is overweight. The situation is predicted to worsen; rising childhood obesity rates forewarn of worsening statistics (
4). While it is agreed that both individual factors such as genetic susceptibility and behavior are important in life-long weight gain, evidence is ill-defined with respect to the nature of the environmental influences that impact obesity (5).

In 2010, 15.1% of Americans lived in poverty based upon family income census data (
6). With the economic downturn, the number of people in the U.S. living in poverty rose to 46 million people—the greatest number in more than 50 years (6).

Are poverty and obesity associated? Poverty rates and obesity were reviewed across 3,139 counties in the U.S. (
2,6). In contrast to international trends, people in America who live in the most poverty-dense counties are those most prone to obesity (Fig. 1A). Counties with poverty rates of >35% have obesity rates 145% greater than wealthy counties.



FIG. 1.Data from 3,139 counties in the U.S. Quintiles are cohorts of counties ranked by the percentage of people living with poverty. Quintile 1, the wealthiest quintile, includes 630 U.S. counties with a mean county poverty rate of 8.2% (median household income, $56,259). Quintile 5, the poorest quintile, includes 629 counties with a mean poverty rate of 25% (median household income, $32,679). A: County age-adjusted obesity rates by poverty quintile. B: County obesity rates vs. county leisure-time sedentary rates (sedentary adults are those who report no physical activity or exercise other than at their regular job). C: County sedentary rates. D: Age-adjusted diabetes rate by poverty quintile.


How is poverty linked to obesity? It has been suggested that individuals who live in impoverished regions have poor access to fresh food. Poverty-dense areas are oftentimes called “food deserts,” implying diminished access to fresh food (
7). However, 43% of households with incomes below the poverty line ($21,756) are food insecure (uncertain of having, or unable to acquire, sufficient food) (7). Accordingly, 14% of U.S. counties have more than 1 in 5 individuals use the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program. The county-wide utility of the program, as expected, correlates with county-wide poverty rates (r = 0.81) (7). Thus, in many poverty-dense regions, people are in hunger and unable to access affordable healthy food, even when funds avail. The double-edged sword of hunger and poor availability of healthy food is, however, unlikely to be the only reason as to why obesity tracks with poverty.

There is evidence of the association between sedentariness, poor health, obesity, diabetes, other metabolic diseases, and premature death (
8). Sedentary individuals move 2 h per day less than active individuals and expend less energy, and they are thereby prone to obesity, chronic metabolic disease, and cardiovascular death (9). More than half of county-to-county variance in obesity can be accounted for by variance in sedentariness (Fig. 1B). Overall, the poorest counties have the greatest sedentariness (Fig. 1C) and obesity.

Several reasons may explain why people living in poor counties are less active. One reason may be that violence tracks with poverty, thereby preventing people from being active out-of-doors. Similarly, parks and sports facilities are less available to people living in poor counties (
5), and people who live in poverty-dense regions may be less able to afford gym membership, sports clothing, and/or exercise equipment. There are multiple individual and environmental reasons to explain why poverty-dense counties may be more sedentary and bear greater obesity burdens. What is unknown is whether reversing poverty would reverse sedentariness and obesity. It is an urgent matter to address—both rates of childhood obesity and poverty are concomitantly on the rise (1,2).

The link between obesity, inactivity, and poverty may be too costly to ignore because obesity-associated chronic disease already accounts for 70% of U.S. health costs. For instance, counties with greatest rates of poverty have greatest diabetes rates too (
Fig. 1D). In 2009, 27% of people living in the U.S. with annual household outcomes below $25,000 were uninsured (no private or government health insurance). This cohort represents, 15,483,000 people, ∼5 million with obesity and ∼1 million with diabetes (10). With expanded health care provision in the U.S., the potential incremental health care costs of diabetes alone for these individuals approximates $9 billion/year, or $9,000 per new diabetes patient/year (11). There are, however, additional economic factors that may impact the cost-return equation, for instance, 1) potential savings associated with diabetes prevention, 2) the opportunity to develop and deliver high-quality and low-cost diabetes care to poverty-dense communities, 3) the health cost savings associated with the prevention of diabetes complications in patients with diabetes, and 4) the potential lost tax revenues associated with disability (12). Add these figures to the health care costs of other chronic obesity-associated diagnoses such as hypertension, hyperlipidemia, sleep disorders, arthritis, cardiovascular disease, and asthma and the projected health care costs of poverty increase.

Halting U.S. diabesity epidemic and curtailing its health cost may necessitate addressing poverty.
 
It is a fact of developed countries that obesity (and their corollary problems like diabetes) is closely correlated with low-income groups. Your observation that it's people on welfare who are obese corroborates that fact. No one argues about it anymore. How we can remedy the situation is what's occupying minds of doctors, epidemiologists, sociologists, economists and politicians.


Poverty and Obesity in the U.S.


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This is awesome research. Many thanks for posting this!
 
there's one unscientific observation that i've made while browsing through countless photos in journals stored in the college library during the late 80s. journals were from the 40s through the 80s. americans in those photos were mostly skinny.....up to late 70s and early 80s. something must have happened between mid-70 and late-70. it's either a policy change, a new policy or some unknown nefarious ingredient must have gotten into the food chain. sure enough, during nixon's presidency, aspartame plus a series of artificial food sweeteners after that was allowed and promoted to be a critical part of the food and beverage chain. moreover, corn, corn derivatives, corn syrup and by-products were heavily subsidized by the gov via tax exemption due to agri policies friendly to corn farmers that were enacted in that period. food products with corn syrup or corn derivatives in them could enjoy tax exemption (deduction from profits) and direct gov subsidies afforded to corn farmers. the double whammy of aspartame approval by the fda and corn subsidies had an effect on the photos i observed. i could not pinpoint the direct correlation and evidence, but i could clearly see the difference. skinny americans pre-70s, fat americans post-70s in tens of thousands of photos i've scanned. americans post-war from the 50s through 70s were already eating well and having a good lazy life, but remained skinny. what caused americans to become whales after the retreat from vietnam and fall of saigon? that i want to know scientifically. :confused:

The high corn fructose syrup (HCFS), aspartame, trans fats, etc that all led to the obesity epidemic in rich countries are all part of the wider context of the corporatization of the global food system, where Big Agri and Big Food combine to exploit labour, land and the environment to produce unhealthy processed foods at low cost and high profits. They lobby governments for tax waivers, food subsidies and abolition of minimum wage. They buy up acres of farmland for economy of scale, squeezing out individual landowners and farmers who have to go to the city to seek work, raising unemployment rates. They aggressively lobby for patent laws reforms so that they corner the food market by patenting their crops and various food manufacturing processes (Monsanto wanted to patent basmati rice!).

This 'cheap food' ultimately wreaks havoc on the poorer and more ignorant community with tremendous medical, social and economic costs. Cheap food is cheap food, because the cost of producing them is not internalized.

Let's see what food economist Raj Patel has to say:


Raj Patel: Against Cheap Food


“What,” asked Million Belay, the Ethiopian director of the Movement forEcological Learning and Community Action, “about poor people?”

We’d just heard from Duncan Pollard, Nestlé’s AVP for StakeholderEngagement on Sustainability, about how the world’s biggest foodcompany had done its own internal audit of the true environmental andsocial costs of its business. The number was high. So high that releasing itto the public would result in the company being ‘crucified’. The costs arebigger than profits and ‘trend towards revenue’. Last year, the company’sprofits were $15bn, and its revenue was $98 bn.i The number is big.

This isn’t just Nestlé’s problem. It’s a food industry problem. KPMGreleased a report in 2012 looking at how much environmental harm was‘externalised’ by industries, calculating the price of damage done but notpaid for. The food industry had the highest costs - $200 billion. And that’s224% of their profits.ii The consequences are enormous:

There’s no business model where the food industry produces cheap foodwithout destroying the environment.

Either we accept cheap food at the grocery store, and have people –invariably poor people - pay for environmental damage in health, social andeconomic costs incurred elsewhere. Or we have more expensive food thatreflects the full costs of its production. The food industry is, Pollard told us,not averse to doing the right thing and internalizing these costs. But noindividual food company wants to go first. If they get together and figureout how to coordinate, they fall foul of anti-trust laws.

“But what about poor people?” is the right question.

When you pull at the price of cheap food, the food system unravels. Cheapfood helps keep wages down. If food prices go up, even more people will gohungry than the 850 million we already have.

Pollard’s answer was that “there needs to be social safety nets”.

It’s a systemic solution of a kind. Let the industry continue in a neweconomic reality, adapting and changing for the better, and makegovernments transfer money to poor people, so they can afford to buy thesame things as before.

There’s a theory of change here, of a kind. In a world where prices reflectenvironmental damage, you reward good behavior. If you internalize costs,agroecological food at your local farmers market ends up being cheaperthan the packages at a supermarket. Fossil-fuel stops being the life-bloodof agriculture, replaced by the sun.

Helmy Abouleish of Sekem knows the difference intimately. He’s done themath through his potato farming in Egypt. A LE 1.70 kilo of industriallyproduced potatoes ends up costing LE 2.12 if you include hiddenenvironmental subsidies, whereas an organic kilo currently costs LE 1.77and would end up costing LE 1.90, 7% more than before, 10% less thanindustrially produced potatoes. If we get prices right, sustainable food cancompete on a level playing-field, and win.

But if you’re starting to value the environment, why not include the healthcare costs associated with industrial food? Diabetes is a global problem –every 30 seconds, someone loses a foot because of amputation due to thedisease. Put a dollar value to that if you must.

And if health matters, surely so do the workers and the social systems thatmake work possible. If you raise wages, you make it possible for farmersand farmworkers to live well too. And why not value the cultural benefits ofpolyculture and diversity too? Food cultures and seeds don’t live incookbooks and seed banks but in vivo, in the living communities of whichthey’re part.

And if you’re looking at malnutrition and hunger, then you can’t ignoregender. Shiney Varghese, at Institute for Agriculture and Trade Policy,noted that globally, less than 20% of all reductions in childhood stuntingcan be traced to increased energy from food. More important thanincreased calories, at nearly 30%, is women's education andempowerment. In South Asia, women's education and empowerment hasbeen responsible for 45% of the decrease in chronic child malnutrition.iii

And if you’re imagining all this, then you’ve got to see the barriers tosystemic change, in everything from public infrastructure deficits,austerity, shrinking social programs and corporate pushes for ‘free trade’,lower environmental and labour standards, and the way we ourselvesbehave and allow this destructive food system to be reproduced.

There’s much work to do. Systemic solutions emerge from a systemic viewof the problem, touching everything from health to workers’ rights togovernment purchasing.iv But there are still plenty of difficult questions.

What’s the link between rural and urban areas? How do those geographiesrelate to one another, and to national politics? Many countries withendemic hunger are bound by debt to export markets, using their land toexport commodities they exchange to buy cheap food. How can changehappen without thinking about the international trading regime? And howdo different levels of government, society and movements relate to oneanother in the change to a more just, healthy and sustainable world?

Faced with the difficulty of these questions, it might be tempting to retreatto one’s urban garden, to hide out with one’s favourite solution and hopethat everyone else is doing their part. This is a mistake. Piecemealsolutions are ripe for cooptation. They’re ready to be included into asystem that has shown itself remarkably resilient in the face of its failures.

Those failures are so serious that we’re already living beyond the earth’scapacity, and beginning the ‘sixth extinction’. The situation is bad enoughto demand emergency action, driven by Martin Luther King’s “fierceurgency of now.” But even here, it’s important to have one’s eyes to thehorizon lest the politics of today’s firefighting prevent tomorrow’sflourishing.

Movements for social change have been imagining that future forgenerations. The Brazilian landless rural workers’ movement (MST) has,for instance, been occupying land and farming agroecologically for over 30years. But they are also part of coalitions that have instituted terrificfederal programmes like the school meal undertaking, which guarantees atleast 20% and up to 70% of children’s nutritional requirements by buyingfrom local farmers and providing a premium for food grownagroecologically.v

Those ideas can, and should, spread. With the right support, movementsfor systemic change help build a bridge between today’s system and thenext. But how?

Olivier De Schutter reminds us that “the word power is one you will not seeat the end of documents adopted at the end of international conferences.”Confronting power is, by definition difficult. Yet without the courage to findone’s place in that confrontation, systemic change remains a dream whilein the real world, people suffer.


Poor people have borne the cost of the global food system for far too long,a system that some of the world’s largest governments, companies andphilanthropists helped to hone.vi Their movements for change may not be perfect, but their visions offer a compass to guide change accountably.

Million Belay is right. Think systemically, radically, accountably and withhope, and the question “What about poor people?” can lead to an entirelydifferent food system.
 
an 50 years (6).

Are poverty and obesity associated? Poverty rates and obesity were reviewed across 3,139 counties in the U.S. (
2,6). In contrast to international trends, people in America who live in the most poverty-dense counties are those most prone to obesity (Fig. 1A). Counties with poverty rates of >35% have obesity rates 145% greater than wealthy counties.
Surely you're not that naive not to see the agenda behind these studies.

The medical industry has vested interests in turning obesity into a "disease" instead of an obvious result of stuffing too much food into your face while enjoying the benefits of free money without having to lift a finger to work.

Once this is achieved, drugs and procedures to "combat" obesity can then be created and marketed by the drug companies and doctors all paid for by insurance companies or the tax payer.

The medical fraternity have already succeeded wildly by creating diseases like "attention deficit disorder" so that badly behaved children who were previously disciplined the good old way with a hiding are now put on a course of drugs that supposedly suppress their desire to be obnoxious.

Mothers are happy because it gives them an excuse for the disgraceful behavior of the spoilt brats and the drug companies and the doctors are even happier because they can now milk this cash cow for all that it is worth by dispensing expensive pills that are nothing more than placebos.

Take these studies with a large pinch of salt. It stares you in the face that the reason why people get fat is because they're lazy and unmotivated and they can get away with doing nothing because they receive free money. If welfare was withheld, I can bet my last dollar that those fat lumps of turd would lose weight rapidly because they'd be forced to get off their butts and do an honest days' work.
 
Surely you're not that naive not to see the agenda behind these studies.

The medical industry has vested interests in turning obesity into a "disease" instead of an obvious result of stuffing too much food into your face while enjoying the benefits of free money without having to lift a finger to work.

It's not the medical industry per se that has a vested interest; it's Big Pharma, and the doctors they sponsor through their junket trips and various freebies. Every condition is turned into a 'disease'; drug patents expiring are extended through 'evergreening'; patenting of centuries-old native traditional remedies and herbs ... the list goes on.

But all that's beside the point. Agenda or not, the figures are all out there:

1. Obesity in today's world is highest in the wealthiest countries: US is #1 (35% BMI>30) followed closely by Australia (33%).

2. Obesity in wealthy countries are overwhelmingly correlated with the poor and those on welfare.

You may argue about the reasons behind these data, but you can't deny the hard facts; nobody disputes them anymore. The data is solid; people may disagree on how to explain them. What's occupying the top minds in the States is: why the poor get fat, and what can we do about it.
 
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You may argue about the reasons behind these figures, but you can't deny the hard facts; nobody disputes them anymore. What's occupying the top minds in the States is: why the poor get fat, and what can we do about it.

The reason surely stares you in the face. Being poor and being fat both have the same cause. It's called sloth... emotional and physical apathy.

In the old days the lazy succeeded in being poor for obvious reasons but they didn't get fat because they were forced by circumstance to do some sort of work or they'd starve to death.

With the advent of the welfare state, the lazy discovered, to their delight, that they could do nothing and still get many hearty meals a day at taxpayer expense. In other words they didn't have to make any effort whatsoever in any aspect of their lives.
 
The reason surely stares you in the face. Being poor and being fat both have the same cause. It's called sloth... emotional and physical apathy.

You obviously believe in one-shot solutions. Life is a lot more complex.

Sure, sloth is a factor for some of the poor. But there are lots of poor people slogging their butts off but still struggle to put bread on the table, like a mouse on a spinning wheel. It's called the 'poverty trap'. People who are poor are disadvantaged in practically every aspect, and they pass those disadvantages down to their kids, so even their kids have trouble climbing out of it.

If the cause of poverty were only so simplistic, the politicians would have solved it long ago.
 
If the cause of poverty were only so simplistic, the politicians would have solved it long ago.

The rich countries have pretty much solved poverty. NZ has definitely solved poverty. Welfare payouts per individual start at NZD300 per week.... much more if there are children to feed.

What politicians have not solved is stupidity and dishonesty. Single mothers who are collecting $1000 per week in welfare payouts can end up blowing the money on drugs, booze and gambling instead of using it to put healthy food on the table.

Nobody is poor in NZ. The so called poor are the ones who mismanage the funds they are given. If they were careful, diligent and honest, they'd be fine financially and they'd be a lot thinner too.
 
[video=youtube;mKpcsEVJ5-U]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKpcsEVJ5-U[/video]
 
What worries me now is the recent trend of slogans of "accepting and love your body" or the normalization of obese body as something ok. They are even accepting fat people on model shows now. Political correctness has gone too far nowadays. Shaming of fat people should continue so it would motivate fat people to lose weight.
 
To add to my own weight loss experience, I realize the best way to lose weight is to simply stop eating. I cut down on carbohydates intake and fasted once per week. I replace snacks with fruits and replace drinks with water. I rarely ate supper. Then I just do a short 3km plus run almost everyday. Lost 11 kg so far and my beer belly is gone.

Like boss sam, I also more of the endomorph type that will gain weight if I do not control my diet properly. So yes, to all fat people, please don't blame genes. Just stop eating.
 
Like boss sam, I also more of the endomorph type that will gain weight if I do not control my diet properly. So yes, to all fat people, please don't blame genes. Just stop eating.

He told you arh?

Can eat as much as you want so long as you burn it. Some exercises will raise your metabolism rate for one or two days before it drops down to normal again, such as .........

[video=youtube;cR92Tl53IL8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cR92Tl53IL8[/video]
 
To add to my own weight loss experience, I realize the best way to lose weight is to simply stop eating. I cut down on carbohydates intake and fasted once per week. I replace snacks with fruits and replace drinks with water. I rarely ate supper. Then I just do a short 3km plus run almost everyday. Lost 11 kg so far and my beer belly is gone.

Like boss sam, I also more of the endomorph type that will gain weight if I do not control my diet properly. So yes, to all fat people, please don't blame genes. Just stop eating.

This is the point I have been making all along but for some reason the world is full of apologists for the overweight.

In trying to shield them from shame and ridicule, they have done more harm than good as hundreds of millions of fat people actually think it is OK to waddle around like whales out of water when the reality is that their gluttony is actually quite deadly! Endorsing obesity should be a crime!

Managing weight is no different from managing a budget.

In a budget you ensure that you don't spend more than you earn.

With weight you manage your food intake to ensure that you don't consume more than you burn.

Both are simple and straightforward processes which require no special skills or education. The arithmetic involved in both areas can be mastered by a 6 year old.

It is no surprise that obesity and poor financial outcomes are linked but the solution to both requires nothing more than a small dose of discipline. It is obvious that fat people lack this vital human quality which is required for the survival of the species.

The only hope is that they become extinct to the rest of us can move on without having to fund the medical bills of these disgusting lumps of turd that are overrunning the planet and consuming far more than their fair share of resources.
 
Today i weighed myself at the gym again.

I put on 5kg very gradually over the past 5 years. As I know quite surely that I did not lose any weight in the interim, that means I put on 80 grams in one month on the average.
 
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